Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Mattyblue]

  On 16/04/2021 at 06:50, den9112 said:

I had a very long and interesting conversation yesterday with a well known ex football league chairman. He only retired a season or so ago so is still on the ball with what is happening on what is going on in the football world, eventually the conversation led to rovers current situation, (he as no connection with rovers but knows and his friends with some of our current set up) and without going in to to much he came out with three  comments that sum our situation up. 

1 SW  is just a puppet and the strings are pulled by TM although Waggot is genuinely a decent guy blah , blah blah 

2  TM as had a good squad with support from owners but does not know how to set them up simple as that 

3 owners letting them get away with it.

Obviously plenty more was discussed and that i need to keep to myself but let's say TM would and should have been sacked a long time ago ...

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Seems about right. Looks fairly clear that if you put the hard yards in with these owners, ‘gain their trust’ etc then you are set fair for as long as you fancy it. TM obviously cannily worked that out early on.

Totally wrong set up for Championship football, but we all know that.

Edited April 16, 2021 by Mattyblue

[tomphil]

He must be referring to parachute money with his 100 million line so he's basically saying only clubs with that get promoted.  White flag waver.

This is on the back of saying you have to dominate possession and the ball to get promoted. Iv'e been banging on ever since he changed system it's no good for a club like us or the players he has and signs. How many average sides suddenly change style and football their way out of this league ?

Non, so yes you need money to sign better to players to do that, he's right there. So why in the name of almighty god did he just decide on a whim to try it here ???

You need to mix it up, be strong aggressive and in the face to prosper in this div without the luxuries a big relegated club might have. If he'd done some of that after lockdown last season when we'd nothing to lose we might have landed in the play offs. He'd no frigging intention of it though he bottled it, nothing is clearer now he's been stringing it along as long as he can.

The Coventry job was too big for this faker as was Boro so why do we expect something out of the ordinary here ?   He's more suited to somewhere like Chesterfield he can't handle the remotest bit of ambition or expectation. Yet it seems him and his mates are being allowed to dumb down Rovers to a level THEY are comfortable with.

Someone needs to get in the owners ears and quick.

Edited April 16, 2021 by tomphil

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

  On 16/04/2021 at 06:50, den9112 said:

owners letting them get away with it.

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How do you mean? That could be interpreted a few ways. 

[den9112]

  On 16/04/2021 at 07:04, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

owners letting them get away with it.

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Not my words ,but i took it as they are not that interested as owners of a football club.

[OldEwoodBlue]

I think success, and whether that is promotion or winning the PL or the CL, starts with the manager's mentality.

i.e. If Zidane says I'm really not bothered if we win the Champions League, I just want to develop players, that there is zero chance his players will perform anywhere near the standard expected, regardless if they are good enough.

What hope is there if the team go out onto the pitch with "it doesn't matter" ringing in their ears.

9th or 17th lads... just enjoy yourselves and try to compete.

 

[den9112]

The first thing John Coleman says to his players on return from the summer break in the dressing room is we are going for promotion this season ...

[Mattyblue]

They don’t look like they are enjoying themselves, unsurprisingly, as you know, professional, first team footballers probably aren’t on board with being ‘developed’ but winning a game once every three months.

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[tomphil]

It's what he passes off as development that is the worrying thing.  Gallagher in various positions, BB cameo's, dropping Nyambie every now and then, Bells cameo's, rotating midfielders game in game out, Elliot or Dolan, those two moved artound varios positions. There's more...

All that just adds to the clusterfuck of no balance, no partnerships developing and long periods of no wins rocketing down the leagues.

Yet this is what he sees as development, my god these owners really are thick as pig shit. It was inevitable though that at some point Mr Integrity and his friends would start taking the piss. Once they know how it really rolls here and how far they can push it.

[Mattyblue]

I suppose Elliott and Harwood-Bellis will have got something out of playing competitive football... take it the owners aren’t aware there’s no sell on fee for loanees?

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Mowbray says Rovers have 'lots to play for' with Derby incentive | Lancashire Telegraph

“I feel that when Adam is available he gives us an extra threat in behind, extra tightness with the ball, and our expected goals goes up when he’s in the team"

Oh do fuck off. 

[tomphil]

  On 16/04/2021 at 08:14, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Mowbray says Rovers have 'lots to play for' with Derby incentive | Lancashire Telegraph

“I feel that when Adam is available he gives us an extra threat in behind, extra tightness with the ball, and our expected goals goes up when he’s in the team"

Oh do fuck off. 

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His mouthpiece twitter account has been DMing him again.

[gumboots]

I've noticed a distinct downturn in the standard of language on here these last few weeks. We've got through many years without directly using bad language.  What has Mowbray driven us to?

[den]

If Mowbray truly want to develop players - and I’ve no doubt he does - then the best way to do that is by playing them in a winning team isn’t it? It’s not easy to develop anyone when they’re on the losing side week in, week out. Sorry Tony, but using the idea of developing players ahead of winning games is ridiculous. You do both, don’t you? You seem to be using player development as an ax use for poor results.

As for the total dumbing down of supporters expectations from both Waggott and Mowbray, well it’s obvious that they don’t want to be judged against anyone or anything successful. Especially in the eyes of the owners.

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[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

  On 16/04/2021 at 08:25, gumboots said:

I've noticed a distinct downturn in the standard of language on here these last few weeks. We've got through many years without directly using bad language.  What has Mowbray driven us to?

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Does the occasional swear word offend you?

Edited April 16, 2021 by Hoochie Bloochie Mama

[Mattyblue]

From memory, pretty much all swear words were filtered out on here until a couple of years ago... even Ke*n.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

I thought I saw a post from a Mod saying swearing was ok if it wasn't gratuitous. I'd hate to offend someone's sensibilities.

 

[imy9]

  On 16/04/2021 at 08:26, den said:

If Mowbray truly want to develop players - and I’ve no doubt he does - then the best way to do that is by playing them in a winning team isn’t it? It’s not easy to develop anyone when they’re on the losing side week in, week out. Sorry Tony, but using the idea of developing players ahead of winning games is ridiculous. You do both, don’t you? You seem to be using player development as an ax use for poor results.

As for the total dumbing down of supporters expectations from both Waggott and Mowbray, well it’s obvious that they don’t want to be judged against anyone or anything successful. Especially in the eyes of the owners.

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Did they both not target top six this season or was that a dream I had?

Also this nonsense of developing players, I agree Den, you do both.

At the moment he seems to be developing players alright...the ones who play for other clubs!

[47er]

  On 16/04/2021 at 08:47, imy9 said:

At the moment he seems to be developing players alright...the ones who play for other clubs!

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I don't think he's even doing a very good job of that!

[broadsword]

  On 16/04/2021 at 08:36, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

I thought I saw a post from a Mod saying swearing was ok if it wasn't gratuitous. I'd hate to offend someone's sensibilities.

 

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I just think it's a real indicator that we're being driven beyond our limits. 

God knows I've worn enough times in my life, but I only rarely do it when I'm not angry. 

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

  On 16/04/2021 at 08:51, broadsword said:

I just think it's a real indicator that we're being driven beyond our limits. 

God knows I've worn enough times in my life, but I only rarely do it when I'm not angry. 

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Bollox   Fair enough. 

[47er]

  On 16/04/2021 at 08:36, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

I thought I saw a post from a Mod saying swearing was ok if it wasn't gratuitous. I'd hate to offend someone's sensibilities.

 

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I do agree with Gumboots that the amount of swearing recently is over the top. Its no longer occasional---far from it.

It doesn't worry  me a lot but its not pleasant.

If we were to get relegated at the end of the season I could understand a long venting outburst of it but everyday is too much.

[Mike E]

  On 16/04/2021 at 07:26, den9112 said:

The first thing John Coleman says to his players on return from the summer break in the dressing room is we are going for promotion this season ...

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First thing Sparky said when he saved us from relegation: Europe next year, lads.

[den]

  On 16/04/2021 at 08:47, imy9 said:

Did they both not target top six this season or was that a dream I had?

Also this nonsense of developing players, I agree Den, you do both.

At the moment he seems to be developing players alright...the ones who play for other clubs!

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How do Man City manage to improve their youngsters while winning all those games? 
 

Maybe it helps the likes of Foden playing in an ambitious, successful, winning team and club.

[Oldgregg86]

  On 16/04/2021 at 08:56, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Bollox   Fair enough. 

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😂

[DE.]

  On 16/04/2021 at 08:36, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

I thought I saw a post from a Mod saying swearing was ok if it wasn't gratuitous. I'd hate to offend someone's sensibilities.

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As far as I'm aware our guidelines remain the same as when they were tweaked in 2017:

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Swearing is no longer a bannable offence if used in decent context. If you think Rovers where shite at weekend you are entitled to that opinion. If you opt to misuse this and combine it with a personal attack, you guessed it... 25 points

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Obviously 25 points in the equivalent of a sin bin these days but the general idea remains the same.