Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Sharp has to step up a bit here. I know he needs to keep the club onside to a point, but printing that drivel is quite clearly going to enrage 99% of our fan base. Somebody has to start bringing him to account. Our owners clearly aren’t going to.

The way that article was written with light, at best, criticism , is frankly pathetic 

[Bigdoggsteel]

9 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

For the first time in 60 years of watching Rovers I’ll be backing us to go down at the bookies if Mowbray is still here in August. Just like when we appointed Coyle, it’s a licence to print money.

100% 

Bullshit. To let him lose on with signings then. It's crazy. He will relegate us or be gone by November. 

Fans need to protest. They need to hold the LT to account. 

 

Edited April 22, 2021 by Bigdoggsteel

[Gone to seed]

32 minutes ago, Dolly blue said:

What can we do , as a caring fan base , to bring out a change to this terrible situation ? 

We could establish an organisation with the single business objective to wrest control of the club back from the ignorant and plainly corrupt few, so that it could be returned to the supporters as a gift in perpetuity.

It could be called 'Blackburn Rovers Fans Collective Ltd' with articles of association, a limited company registration, officers and resources.

That would be a start, IMO. There are plenty of people on here who could bring significant business acumen and experience, capital and that vital ingredient - a passion for what happens to our small town club, winners of the Premier League.

I'd chip in on a monthly basis by Direct Debit to help fund the cause..

 

Edited April 22, 2021 by WIR Second Coming
He's fat, he's round, he's tearing down the ground, Steve Waggot, Steve Maggot!

[den]

Someone tell me how this situation now, isn’t exactly the same situation we were in with Kean? Comparisons are valid in my opinion.

I never believed we would be in that position again.

[TruRover]

What an utter catastrophe. Not only have results and performances been shocking with our best squad in years, we have many talented players who clearly want out (eg Nymabe and Rothwell) due to the managers misuse of them. He’s spent serious money on players who look miles away from it, and has continued to persist with a tactic of playing tall 6ft plus strikers on the wing, a tactic which has never worked, never made sense and has seen players, in particular Gallagher, unable to properly express themselves. 

He completely misuses players and fails to develop them. Players such as lenihan, Dolan, nymabe, travis, Brereton, Buckley are players that I beilive would be miles ahead of where they are now if we had a decent, tactically aware manager. Honestly all TM  seems to care about is character and attitude and I’m sorry that just isn’t good enough. 

The idea that we should stick with Mowbray due to the unique circumstances is utter BS. Every team has faced the struggles we have, and many have had less facilities and financial resources. How can venkys look at seasons that Barnsley, Swansea and Millwall have undergone in comparison to ours and believe TM deserves another crack. It’s beyond me it really is. As a relatively young rovers fans I was never able to enjoy our glory days, we’ve always been pretty poor with no real hope of success. Despite that I have always remained extremely passionate, watched and travelled to every game possible and had the happiness of my weekend depend on our result. This season and even the last that has completely changed and it’s heartbreaking for me. I no longer read every article the Lancashire telegraph post. I no longer follow matchdays minute by minute. I no longer read this forum persistently through the day. That is down to the manager and the board. I have no faith in them whatsoever. If we win, it means nothing, because I know that it will never amount to anything. I honestly feel my passion has been stripped away from me by the manager and the board who fail to taking any action against him. 
 

I struggle to blame venkys. I have been impressed with how they have stuck by the club financially, I don’t even want to know where we would be during the coronavirus if it weren’t for them. But they are clearly naive and too trusting of the people who advise them. 
 

With a summer rebuild imminent, it offers a fantastic opportunity for a new manger to come in and implement his ideas, bring in the players he wants, and give the club a new lease of life. There is no reason why we can’t get someone like wilder, jockanvic or Ainsworth. All who would bring something different and new. As fans I really feel we need to make our true feelings known. Before it’s too late and more fans like me begin to lose interest in the club we love so much. How do we do that? I’m not so sure.  A protest outside Ewood seems the most logical. 
 

But whatever as fans we decide to do, we need to do it properly to the point where the club will take notice. 

Edited April 22, 2021 by TruRover

[Bbrovers2288]

Chip away under the badge and you would find a catacomb of emptiness, the support system and passion that used to be behind the club has all but gone, empty shell of a club that is no longer Blackburn rovers, it’s venkys side show with very much out of country out of mind. If they were a vehicle they would have long subjected it to the back yard covered in moss and marked as off road, waiting for the day to take it to the scrap heap or some enthusiast sees it from the street and makes an offer to take it off their hands. Once proud owner would be in despair at the thought of his pride and joy being allowed to bleed out, uncared for and not maintained.

we may have an irresponsible and dangerous driver but the owner is failing the enthusiasts by continuing to give him the keys 

[DE.]

24 minutes ago, den said:

Someone tell me how this situation now, isn’t exactly the same situation we were in with Kean? Comparisons are valid in my opinion.

I never believed we would be in that position again.

The only difference IMO is that there was something stopping Venky's from sacking Kean - hence Shebby's parachuting in to effectively force him to resign - but I don't think there's anything stopping them from sacking TM. They just don't care enough about the club to do so. Who's to say they are even aware of what's going on? Any owner with the tiniest amount of basic sense would have sacked this manager a long time ago. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, Bbrovers2288 said:

Chip away under the badge and you would find a catacomb of emptiness, the support system and passion that used to be behind the club has all but gone, empty shell of a club that is no longer Blackburn rovers, it’s venkys side show with very much out of country out of mind. If they were a vehicle they would have long subjected it to the back yard covered in moss and marked as off road, waiting for the day to take it to the scrap heap or some enthusiast sees it from the street and makes an offer to take it off their hands. Once proud owner would be in despair at the thought of his pride and joy being allowed to bleed out, uncared for and not maintained.

we may have an irresponsible and dangerous driver but the owner is failing the enthusiasts by continuing to give him the keys 

That’s their master plan. Continually demoralise the support until there’s hardly anybody left. Then pull the plug when there’s nobody left who cares.

[Exiled_Rover]

1 minute ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

That’s their master plan. Continually demoralise the support until there’s hardly anybody left. Then pull the plug when there’s nobody left who cares.

That's an expensive master plan considering they're £200m+ in debt.

But then they seem an incompetent bunch so you could be right.

[Madon]

8 hours ago, Ghost7 said:

Got to say I'm finding it difficult to support a club where the fans happiness is so unimportant. This week showed just how important fans are to the game but at Rovers we haven't been listened to since 2010. It's difficult to take and continue to support financially and with enthusiasm.

Neville's comments about certain owners being imposters is exactly right.

“You never hear from the owners of these clubs” he said - that part really resonated with me and I'm sure it does with many others.

Venky's should be ashamed at how they've estranged so many fans from this great and historical football club.

I realise, and couldn't care less that they've supported us financially, many others could do the same but loyal, hardworking fans take greater joy from much smaller gestures than that. The fans want to be listened to and feel a part of this club.

A manager losing the fans should mean something, it has to. Someone somewhere is not getting that message across and the fans have been failed yet again.

I gave this post a 'like' after the first paragraph. 

So true, and I have never felt so disengaged with the club. I very much doubt I will be renewing my season ticket if Mowbray is still in charge. 

[oldjamfan1]

8 hours ago, Ghost7 said:

Got to say I'm finding it difficult to support a club where the fans happiness is so unimportant. This week showed just how important fans are to the game but at Rovers we haven't been listened to since 2010. It's difficult to take and continue to support financially and with enthusiasm.

Neville's comments about certain owners being imposters is exactly right.

“You never hear from the owners of these clubs” he said - that part really resonated with me and I'm sure it does with many others.

Venky's should be ashamed at how they've estranged so many fans from this great and historical football club.

I realise, and couldn't care less that they've supported us financially, many others could do the same but loyal, hardworking fans take greater joy from much smaller gestures than that. The fans want to be listened to and feel a part of this club.

A manager losing the fans should mean something, it has to. Someone somewhere is not getting that message across and the fans have been failed yet again.

Take a bow. This absolutely nails it for me.

[Bbrovers2288]

Not enjoyed supporting the club since allardyces replacement was (drop down menu/swearing filter) *underwhelming*

[JHRover]

Oh well. There goes the season tickets. Just need to decide where to book the extra holiday to instead.

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I can't believe Rovers owners are so loyal to these 2 people in Waggott and Mowbray who need sacking asap after a disaster of a season following financial support from them. cant believe they trust them. In totally bewildering. 

What is Pasha here for? 

Why are they so loyal to Mowbray? Is it Balaji he speaks to mainly or the whole family of 4?

I dont think it is loyalty any more than negligence.

Loyalty would be based on a belief or delusion that he is the best man for the job, based on their experience, or that whilst they understand results and performances are dire they would much rather not fire him because they like him but instead will try and move on and better the club by encouraging him out or even sideways.

None of that here. They just don't care so won't do anything. Same old really. It was only ever their underlings who got rid of managers. They've been happy to stick with all of them. 

[Wegerleswiggle]

Not since the days of Kean have I given less of a shit about our results. Imo Mowbray himself and only himself is turning the fanbase toxic. Until he has gone I am not spending another penny on this Club. 

If I lived closer I would be down at Brockhall protesting until he walks. 

[rog of the rovers]

Has Tony Mowbray already had his chance to rebuild the club?

Has he been given time?

Has he been supported through long stretches without victories?

Has he been encouraged and respected by the fanbase?

Has he had the chance to buy his own players?

Has he tried to introduce a style and a culture?

Has he been able/encouraged to promote the youth players he feels are good enough?

Has he had to adapt to a changing market, division, expectations?

Has he had the backing of the board and senior managers?

 

If any of the answers above were NO, then I'd be willing to stand by him and give him more time.

 

He's had three and a half seasons in the Championship.

Lets be brutally honest, we're right back where we were when he took over.

 

 

Edited April 22, 2021 by rog of the rovers

[Ewood Ace]

Keeping him on next season would be up there with one of the worst decisions they have made. If he is here next season then a relegation battle is a certainty and relegation itself quite likely which with our finances and times we are living in would be catastrophic for the club. 

[Paul Mellelieu]

Very, very strange and another example of detached foreign owners ruining football.

 

As I've said before I don't like the personal abuse aimed at TM, but it's time to move on. 

 

I'm a bit confused how we could play so well early in the season and then fall way so badly. 

Edited April 22, 2021 by Paul Mellelieu

[Bigdoggsteel]

44 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I dont think it is loyalty any more than negligence.

Loyalty would be based on a belief or delusion that he is the best man for the job, based on their experience, or that whilst they understand results and performances are dire they would much rather not fire him because they like him but instead will try and move on and better the club by encouraging him out or even sideways.

None of that here. They just don't care so won't do anything. Same old really. It was only ever their underlings who got rid of managers. They've been happy to stick with all of them. 

Ya. Simply they see the pandemic impact on their other businesses and being completely unaware of football nuance, buy that it's the reason we are doing so badly. 

[Ulrich]

If TM is staying, we'll I'm not. Shambles of a club.

[arbitro]

9 hours ago, Ghost7 said:

Got to say I'm finding it difficult to support a club where the fans happiness is so unimportant. This week showed just how important fans are to the game but at Rovers we haven't been listened to since 2010. It's difficult to take and continue to support financially and with enthusiasm.

Neville's comments about certain owners being imposters is exactly right.

“You never hear from the owners of these clubs” he said - that part really resonated with me and I'm sure it does with many others.

Venky's should be ashamed at how they've estranged so many fans from this great and historical football club.

I realise, and couldn't care less that they've supported us financially, many others could do the same but loyal, hardworking fans take greater joy from much smaller gestures than that. The fans want to be listened to and feel a part of this club.

A manager losing the fans should mean something, it has to. Someone somewhere is not getting that message across and the fans have been failed yet again.

And that, my friend should resonate with every Rovers supporter. The people who have been up in arms since Sunday with regard to awful owners have endured for a few days what we have for a decade.

We are only little Blackburn Rovers so we hardly merited any national media coverage apart from being criticised for protesting. We were let down every organisation we turned to.

Football is a horrible business and mirrors society where the rich and powerful are protected and the lesser mortals are left by the wayside.

 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, Paul Mellelieu said:

Very, very strange and another example of detached foreign owners running football.

 

As I've said before I don't like the personal abuse aimed at TM, but it's time to move on. 

 

I'm a bit confused how we could play so well early in the season and then fall way so badly. 

Don't be. Teams figured us out. Our best attacking players are Armstrong and Rothwell, both suited to counter attck, yet we play a toothless possesion based game and he's too ignorant or too stubborn to change it 

[Ewood Ace]

6 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

I'm a bit confused how we could play so well early in the season and then fall way so badly. 

It's a regular Mowbray trait just ask Middlesbrough and Coventry fans. The bloke is clearly thick as mince he never learns from his mistakes and just keeps doing the same things.

[tomphil]

He has to rebuild what he's already been building ?

That just shows what a clusterfook they've actually made of it yet he gets the green light to go again. These thick hoorahs deserve to end up bust themselves they really do.

Trouble is they've invested too much again in a pair of planks. 'Investment signings' - Wages for experience, Fancy young loanees, Drones, pilots, ipads, pass counting staff, tv moniters and staff to sit and watch players.

All for what exactly ?  mid table then a near relegation scrap whilst the pitch and stadium rots before their eyes. And the answer is selling half the training ground !

Talk about paralysis.

[JHRover]

Anyone who applies any analysis to Mowbray's career will see a theme of winning and losing streaks.

Its why he's got a reasonable win percentage as a manager even now, and has often had his clubs in good positions, only to collapse and not achieve anything in the end.

With this in mind he has always had that streak up ahead to turn it around here and bounce back up the division and 'answer' the critics just as the heat starts to turn up. 

For the same reason he will probably get off to a decent start again next season. The loons will probably see that as evidence that sticking by him was the right thing to do. Those with any memory or sense will know it won't last.