Tony Mowbray Discussion

[RoversClitheroe]

3 hours ago, oldjamfan1 said:

They are. I can categorically assure you of that my friend.

 

Very interesting.

[Paul Mani]

8 hours ago, Roverthechimp said:

Just remember that it required Paul Senior to get rid of Coyle and Shebby to "get rid" of K#@$ and you understand that TM isn't going away any time soon 😥

Suhail....

[Gone to seed]

When I was talking to Stuart Caley (Head of Safety at Ewood) at last Saturday's 'protest' I got the distinct impression staff have been told to avoid any comment on what is happening behind the scenes at the Rovers. 'Tight Lipped' is how I'd describe it.. Now, read into that what you will, but clearly 'someone' is pulling the strings down at the club, and it doesn't appear to be anyone from India, in any meaningful operational sense.

I suspect that what other posters have suggested is likely the case - that Waggot and Mowbray have stitched up the situation at Blackburn Rovers such that there neither is nor can be any serious challenge to their control. What we would have to ask in that case would be, what precipitated their exit from Coventry (and previous clubs where they learned their trade and perfected the formula for blustering on without an apparent care whilst the walls come tumbling down). Unlock that, and maybe we have a means of effecting change..

Now we don't have to roll back literally to 1985, but the opening words of the ModFather in this mid 80s classic (here at LiveAid) are a good reminder of a mindset that it might be worth adopting...

 

[PeteJD13]

4 hours ago, WIR Second Coming said:

When I was talking to Stuart Caley (Head of Safety at Ewood) at last Saturday's 'protest' I got the distinct impression staff have been told to avoid any comment on what is happening behind the scenes at the Rovers. 'Tight Lipped' is how I'd describe it.. Now, read into that what you will, but clearly 'someone' is pulling the strings down at the club, and it doesn't appear to be anyone from India, in any meaningful operational sense.

I suspect that what other posters have suggested is likely the case - that Waggot and Mowbray have stitched up the situation at Blackburn Rovers such that there neither is nor can be any serious challenge to their control. What we would have to ask in that case would be, what precipitated their exit from Coventry (and previous clubs where they learned their trade and perfected the formula for blustering on without an apparent care whilst the walls come tumbling down). Unlock that, and maybe we have a means of effecting change..

Now we don't have to roll back literally to 1985, but the opening words of the ModFather in this mid 80s classic (here at LiveAid) are a good reminder of a mindset that it might be worth adopting...

 

The unlocking will be appalling  season ticket sales, and flak Mowbray will kop in Ewood next season. They’ll be pinning hopes on him getting lucky with the summer rebuild 

Edited May 13, 2021 by PeteJD13

[Roverthechimp]

5 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Suhail....

Never going to rock the boat internally and avoids any public utterances so I would not be pinning my hopes on him tbh

[JHRover]

I suspect Suhail's involvement in the removal of Gary Bowyer (unnecessary), appointment of Paul Lambert (expensive and aggravating) and appointment of Owen Coyle (disaster) will all count against him and mean he is quite happy bobbling along with good old Tony than rocking the boat and risking more of the above.

After all, for where we are now we might as well have stuck with Bowyer. He was quite willing and able to plod along developing players and working to a shoestring budget. Mowbray's delivering worse results and positions whilst spending more money. What was the point in the last 5-6 years? Might as well have carried on as we were and allowed Bowyer to rebuild post-embargo. Would have saved the expense of firing him and his staff, costs of appointing Lambert, Irvine, Kelly and of firing Coyle, Stewart and co. and the costs of League One.

[tomphil]

If a guy who's suppose to have a bit of clout and is the direct line to the owners constantly hides in the shadows it's for good reason.

Another who doesn't want to be held accountable for anything.  We have a manager who sidesteps everything, a CEO who is almost invisible. Owners who we don't even know if they are all actually still breathing it's been that long since anything was heard from the horses mouth.

The food chain at Ewood provides great shields to all in passing the blame. Yet quite possibly one of the main reasons for this is often here in Blackburn.

Old school journalism would have dug him out years ago, a genuine board of directors would've held him to account as well.

It's time he stepped forwards and showed a pair.

 

Edited May 13, 2021 by tomphil

[windymiller7]

I was just wondering if any thread on here had ever reached 1000 pages?

If not, I have a horrible feeling that this one might be the first. 🥺

[Bigdoggsteel]

16 hours ago, oldjamfan1 said:

They are. I can categorically assure you of that my friend.

 

If you do something , anything, can you elaborate on why it's taking so long? 

[windymiller7]

I wasn't sure whether to put this in the Premier League thread or here, however I thought it was probably more applicable here.

Just read Tuchel's comments from last night - oh to have a manager with an attitude like this who takes responsibility for his actions and vows to learn from them. Right down to how his mindset could've affected the players:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/12304758/thomas-tuchel-takes-blame-for-chelsea-defeat-by-arsenal-after-making-seven-changes-ahead-of-fa-cup-final

[Bigdoggsteel]

Get those excuses in early. Anyone left in any denial that he is staying? 

And Mowbray said: “I hope the supporters understand where the football club is in the history of the football club at this moment.

“It isn’t Blackburn Rovers of 1995 competing and fighting at the top of the Premier League.

“While the money has ran away in the Premier League, it’s created a divide to the teams that haven’t been enjoying the Premier League and it becomes more difficult to get out of this division and all we’re trying to do is compete.

“For a lot of this season we did compete. Everyone will have their own reasons of why we fell away.

“In February we lost nearly all of our games after three wins and a draw in January and moving forward all I ask of the team is they compete and give their very best.

[oldjamfan1]

3 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

If you do something , anything, can you elaborate on why it's taking so long? 

I'll give you a clue, it begins with the letter V

[PeteJD13]

2 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Get those excuses in early. Anyone left in any denial that he is staying? 

And Mowbray said: “I hope the supporters understand where the football club is in the history of the football club at this moment.

“It isn’t Blackburn Rovers of 1995 competing and fighting at the top of the Premier League.

“While the money has ran away in the Premier League, it’s created a divide to the teams that haven’t been enjoying the Premier League and it becomes more difficult to get out of this division and all we’re trying to do is compete.

“For a lot of this season we did compete. Everyone will have their own reasons of why we fell away.

“In February we lost nearly all of our games after three wins and a draw in January and moving forward all I ask of the team is they compete and give their very best.

no i think if he was going he was going this week thats not happening

[gumboots]

5 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Get those excuses in early. Anyone left in any denial that he is staying? 

And Mowbray said: “I hope the supporters understand where the football club is in the history of the football club at this moment.

“It isn’t Blackburn Rovers of 1995 competing and fighting at the top of the Premier League.

“While the money has ran away in the Premier League, it’s created a divide to the teams that haven’t been enjoying the Premier League and it becomes more difficult to get out of this division and all we’re trying to do is compete.

“For a lot of this season we did compete. Everyone will have their own reasons of why we fell away.

“In February we lost nearly all of our games after three wins and a draw in January and moving forward all I ask of the team is they compete and give their very best.

Most people's idea of why we fell away begins and ends with Mowbray.

[AllRoverAsia]

22 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Get those excuses in early. Anyone left in any denial that he is staying? 

And Mowbray said: “I hope the supporters understand where the football club is in the history of the football club at this moment.

“It isn’t Blackburn Rovers of 1995 competing and fighting at the top of the Premier League.

“While the money has ran away in the Premier League, it’s created a divide to the teams that haven’t been enjoying the Premier League and it becomes more difficult to get out of this division and all we’re trying to do is compete.

“For a lot of this season we did compete. Everyone will have their own reasons of why we fell away.

“In February we lost nearly all of our games after three wins and a draw in January and moving forward all I ask of the team is they compete and give their very best.

Typical Mowbray style downgrading propaganda.

We were competing and fighting in the Premier League up to the day Venkys arrived.

Indeed we had gone through a relegation from and a promotion back to the PL since the date of 1995 that Mowbray refers to which he uses for some reason, IMO, to debase what Jack Walker achieved.

He really is a ground crawler.

I am quite frankly shocked on how polite I've been!

Edited May 13, 2021 by AllRoverAsia

[Fraserkirky]

39 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

 

“For a lot of this season we did compete. Everyone will have their own reasons of why we fell away.

 

Tony needs to answer this part himself, and not use covid as an excuse.

[JHRover]

"Moving forward all I ask is they compete and give their very best"

Wow. Exciting. Roll up roll up get your season tickets with a price rise for the next stage of Mowbray's reverse journey.

Seems he's been burned by the bravado of aiming for the play-offs now he's realised that it isn't ever going to happen under him and people will hold that expectation against him. So instead lets just do away with any position, achievement, points tally and simply measure performance on the team 'competing' and 'giving their very best'. Of course these two elements cannot be measured nor judged and therefore can't be used to determine Mowbray's performance in future.

Crafty old fool but most of us can see right through it.

So from now on as long as we put 11 players out that try their best and we don't get hammered every week we're doing fine.

It isn't fine and this is elite professional sport not the Dog and Duck league. This isn't amateur football or someone taking their teenage son out for a game. It's a multimillion pound operation, haemorrhaging cash with millionaires paid huge money. So no, working hard, trying their best and competing are not things Mowbray gets credit for. They are the bare minumum requirements of any professional sports club.

I'm so sick of this now.

[Paul Mani]

50 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said:

no i think if he was going he was going this week thats not happening

God knows what they’ll do or when they’ll do it...

[PeteJD13]

9 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

God knows what they’ll do or when they’ll do it...

I think he’s blagged the rebuild he’ll walk October time when if we have started abysmally. 

[Waggy76]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Get those excuses in early. Anyone left in any denial that he is staying? 

And Mowbray said: “I hope the supporters understand where the football club is in the history of the football club at this moment.

“It isn’t Blackburn Rovers of 1995 competing and fighting at the top of the Premier League.

“While the money has ran away in the Premier League, it’s created a divide to the teams that haven’t been enjoying the Premier League and it becomes more difficult to get out of this division and all we’re trying to do is compete.

“For a lot of this season we did compete. Everyone will have their own reasons of why we fell away.

“In February we lost nearly all of our games after three wins and a draw in January and moving forward all I ask of the team is they compete and give their very best.

Mowbray , wants to look in his history books , it isnt anything like the Blackburn Rovers that was formed in 1875 to Novenber 2010 ..

This is the Venky Blackburn Rovers !!!

[Paul Mani]

I think that article in the LT about “fighting for the cause” looks more like a rallying call of a man under pressure!

[Mattyblue]

27 minutes ago, JHRover said:

 

Crafty old fool but most of us can see right through it.

 

On here, certainly. But not out in the wider fanbase, and he knows it.

[Bigdoggsteel]

1 hour ago, oldjamfan1 said:

I'll give you a clue, it begins with the letter V

Still doesn't make sense. If someone "ITK" is saying stuff is happening behind the scenes , I mean , even in venkys land it's very clear cut what needs to happen. I don't get why he would be going about his business as it, Mowbray I mean. 

Not digging at you,but in general I think any rational person would assume he is going ,or should be gone, so it's an easy and logical to say. However it's doesn't seem to be how things are playing out in reality. 

I still wouldn't be surprised if he was sacked though, obviously. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

29 minutes ago, JHRover said:

"Moving forward all I ask is they compete and give their very best"

Wow. Exciting. Roll up roll up get your season tickets with a price rise for the next stage of Mowbray's reverse journey.

Seems he's been burned by the bravado of aiming for the play-offs now he's realised that it isn't ever going to happen under him and people will hold that expectation against him. So instead lets just do away with any position, achievement, points tally and simply measure performance on the team 'competing' and 'giving their very best'. Of course these two elements cannot be measured nor judged and therefore can't be used to determine Mowbray's performance in future.

Crafty old fool but most of us can see right through it.

So from now on as long as we put 11 players out that try their best and we don't get hammered every week we're doing fine.

It isn't fine and this is elite professional sport not the Dog and Duck league. This isn't amateur football or someone taking their teenage son out for a game. It's a multimillion pound operation, haemorrhaging cash with millionaires paid huge money. So no, working hard, trying their best and competing are not things Mowbray gets credit for. They are the bare minumum requirements of any professional sports club.

I'm so sick of this now.

Good post and especially this point. Imagine a manager getting away with such downgrading. 

Again,if he was going, he wouldn't be saying that. He would still be giving it a big one. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

4 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

I think that article in the LT about “fighting for the cause” looks more like a rallying call of a man under pressure!

No, I think it looks like a guy who is not setting any expectations next season. 

I bet he would take 15th right now if offered it. Tells you everything you need to know.