Tony Mowbray Discussion

[lraC]

59 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said:

the same as any other club they talked about it and changed their mind what else are you expecting to hear?. Maybe they took the line of stability in the middle of a rebuild

I hope we aren’t in the middle of it, as another 10 years, will just about see me off. 

[DeeCee]

6 hours ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Can you quote the tweet, I can't see it? I can see others that don't quite say that!

I was paraphrasing (if that's the right term) 👍

[yellowsubmarine]

Seems like the journey is continuing eh? Can't wait for next season!

[perthblue02]

1 hour ago, yellowsubmarine said:

Seems like the journey is continuing eh? Can't wait for next season!

No, it's starting a new one this time going the other way around and around the mowbray roundabout

[davulsukur]

1 hour ago, yellowsubmarine said:

Seems like the journey is continuing eh? Can't wait for next season!

Wonder if the journey restarts again due to all those excuses he's trotted out?

[RevidgeBlue]

7 hours ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Tweets from RS for those not on twitter (apologies if i've missed the specific one DeeCee mentions)

These tweets are in response to fan's questions. Questions paraphrased below, Sharpe answers in bold:-

 

Is TM staying? 

TM retains the backing of the owners who agree with him about the unique nature of the season. Everything in place for the summer, budget and retained list sorted, which all points to him being entrusted to take the club forward.

Prediction for next season?

see what the summer brings, but I don't think there will be the same level of expectation. Consistency remains the biggest issue, and they might not have the services of a 28-goal striker and only managed 15th with him. So it will need greater contributions across the board.

What excuses have Venky's swallowed for this season?

schedule, lack of pre-season, preparation, Covid absences etc. That isn’t my take btw, just relaying what the viewpoint is within the club.

Not wanting to shoot the messenger but if true that would be absolutely insane.

Who gives an employee at work lower standards and expectations because they've already made a colossal mess of things?

That would be bizarre and erratic even by Venky's previous standards. Not sure if I believe any of that at all.

[AllRoverAsia]

7 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Wonder if the journey restarts again due to all those excuses he's trotted out?

For sure, at Year Zero

[davulsukur]

Just now, AllRoverAsia said:

For sure, at Year Zero

Genuinely wouldn't be surprised to hear him pull that line out over the summer (or something similar)

And it will be unbelievably infuriating.

[rigger]

1 hour ago, lraC said:

I hope we aren’t in the middle of it, as another 10 years, will just about see me off. 

me to.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

Not wanting to shoot the messenger but if true that would be absolutely insane.

Who gives an employee at work lower standards and expectations because they've already made a colossal mess of things?

That would be bizarre and erratic even by Venky's previous standards. Not sure if I believe any of that at all.

I do. The narrative is clear. Comments made by Mowbray recently about setting expectations and driving ambition last summer have been instructive. He's basically been saying that the only reason top 6 was talked about was because HE set the ambition. The fact we couldn't meet his target was not his fault, all he was guilty of was being over-ambitious. Sharpe recently said similar. The goalposts have been shifted.

Honest Tony knows exactly what he's doing.

What the Coventrio had to do in the last few weeks was convince the owners that last seasons failure was due to Covid, pitch, injuries etc.....basically all the excuses he's been trotting out since January. They've seemingly succeeded. 

The narrative for the rest of the summer will be to get back to Ewood and get behind the young academy lads, they need our support as they develop, not to put too much pressure on them and get behind the lads etc etc.  It's a new journey now. There'll be no talk of promotion, just plucky young Academy lads trying to mix it with the millionaires who've come down from the Prem, just honest Tony developing 'assets' and 'good humans'.

Remember, results don't matter. 

It's all there Rev. 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Hoochie Bloochie Mama

[AllRoverAsia]

I think Mowbray found the cupboard .......

[Lucimo]

51 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Wonder if the journey restarts again due to all those excuses he's trotted out?

Course it will. As it did when Danny Graham left, so it will when AA goes. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

That's literally lowering expectations so much not being relegated would be a good outcome 

What the fuck 

 

[Ewood Ace]

The current Rovers managers job has to be the best in football. At what other club does a manager get to set his own expectations and then when he misses them get's his bosses on board with downgrading them. At what other club does a manager have no pressure to get results and is able to have an attitude of not caring where he finishes in the table. At what other club does the manager get to appoint his own mate as his CEO.

[tina]

Big news from Ewood. Tony shits in the dark. LET all over it. Sorry boys and girls. Watched them since 63. Never been so deflated. At least with Keano there was a chance to get rid. Tony et al will only leave with the treasures and relegation. Hope Reg and the other plants in the LET are happy. Preferred the third division days in the 70s to this bull

 

 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

I do. The narrative is clear. Comments made by Mowbray recently about setting expectations and driving ambition last summer have been instructive. He's basically been saying that the only reason top 6 was talked about was because HE set the ambition. The fact we couldn't meet his target was not his fault, all he was guilty of was being over-ambitious. Sharpe recently said similar. The goalposts have been shifted.

Honest Tony knows exactly what he's doing.

What the Coventrio had to do in the last few weeks was convince the owners that last seasons failure was due to Covid, pitch, injuries etc.....basically all the excuses he's been trotting out since January. They've seemingly succeeded. 

The narrative for the rest of the summer will be to get back to Ewood and get behind the young academy lads, they need our support as they develop, not to put too much pressure on them and get behind the lads etc etc.  It's a new journey now. There'll be no talk of promotion, just plucky young Academy lads trying to mix it with the millionaires who've come down from the Prem, just honest Tony developing 'assets' and 'good humans'.

Remember, results don't matter. 

It's all there Rev. 

I could believe:

"We'll let you off this season due to it's one off nature but next season when the schedule is back to normal and there are no extenuating circumstances we expect a genuine challenge for the top 6".

I don't believe: 

"Because you completely messed up last season we'll write off the coming one as well."

I think Sharpe is making stuff up to fit the ludicrous narrative Mowbray has been peddling in recent weeks.

The next few weeks will tell I suppose. If you're right it doesn't bear thinking about.

[Stuart]

1 hour ago, AllRoverAsia said:

I think Mowbray found the cupboard .......

 

[RevidgeBlue]

27 minutes ago, tina said:

Big news from Ewood. Tony shits in the dark. LET all over it. Sorry boys and girls. Watched them since 63. Never been so deflated. At least with Keano there was a chance to get rid. Tony et al will only leave with the treasures and relegation. Hope Reg and the other plants in the LET are happy. Preferred the third division days in the 70s to this bull

 

 

Someone needs to start jumping all over Reg and his ilk every time they start spouting shite.

A recent example was his contribution that it was a "minor miracle" we were in the 2nd tier of English football. That needed instantly rubbishing by pointing out we've only spent seven (?) years out of our 146 year history in the third tier. Haven't read that thread so whether someone actually did I don't know.

I'd do it myself but for some reason I can't log into the LT site to comment, it never sends me the confirmatory e-mail to register.

[martonrover]

5 hours ago, PeteJD13 said:

the same as any other club they talked about it and changed their mind what else are you expecting to hear?. Maybe they took the line of stability in the middle of a rebuild

Or maybe they’re gullible, ignorant fools who believe Mowbray’s guff. 

[bluebruce]

14 hours ago, roverandout said:

Do u know why his nose is hooked?.......so he can smell his own bullshit 

That's a waste of nasal evolution. The rest of us can smell his bullshit from miles away.

[bluebruce]

19 hours ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Unless that is a direct club link account I suspect its fanboy tripe

RS is Rich Sharpe. LT reporter.

[bluebruce]

20 hours ago, DeeCee said:

According to RS on Twitter this morning Mowbray had contact with Venkys and he's staying as they've got lower expectations after last season, ffs

 

19 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Must be great having a boss that lets you lower their targets and expectations for you years into the role...

 

14 hours ago, Exiled_Rover said:

If that's true then the club has just lost three season ticket holders.

 

14 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

‘Season Tickets 2021/2022. We have lower expectations, do you?’

 

13 hours ago, 47er said:

So if the owners and staff have lower expectations why should fans be expected to pay the same?

Not much is lower than 15th by the way.

 

8 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Not wanting to shoot the messenger but if true that would be absolutely insane.

Who gives an employee at work lower standards and expectations because they've already made a colossal mess of things?

That would be bizarre and erratic even by Venky's previous standards. Not sure if I believe any of that at all.

 

7 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

That's literally lowering expectations so much not being relegated would be a good outcome 

What the fuck 

 

7 hours ago, Ewood Ace said:

The current Rovers managers job has to be the best in football. At what other club does a manager get to set his own expectations and then when he misses them get's his bosses on board with downgrading them.

Sorry to quote so many of you, but I think there has been an awful lot of misreading of the tweet (or accepting the paraphrased version which I don't believe to be accurate).

I'm fairly sure that Sharpe is referring to his own, and possibly the fans', expectations, or just all around expectations (his, fans', manager, staff, owners, the bookies, whoever). They ask him what his predictions are for next season, and he answers that he doesn't think expectations will be the same. He doesn't reference the owners at that point, but they're spoken about in the questions either side of that one, which has probably led to the confusion. The fact he first says we will see what the summer brings, suggests to me that the expectations in question depend partly on our summer business. If it were the owners' expectations, those shouldn't change regardless of how cleverly we move, as they'd set a budget in line with a goal and expect that goal met from that budget.

He also only says 'I don't think' in regards to it. He is only speculating, and I don't believe he is talking about the owners (or at least not entirely), so we should probably stop talking as though this is a direct line on the owners' expectations, because it is probably neither of those things.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

3 hours ago, bluebruce said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry to quote so many of you, but I think there has been an awful lot of misreading of the tweet (or accepting the paraphrased version which I don't believe to be accurate).

I'm fairly sure that Sharpe is referring to his own, and possibly the fans', expectations, or just all around expectations (his, fans', manager, staff, owners, the bookies, whoever). They ask him what his predictions are for next season, and he answers that he doesn't think expectations will be the same. He doesn't reference the owners at that point, but they're spoken about in the questions either side of that one, which has probably led to the confusion. The fact he first says we will see what the summer brings, suggests to me that the expectations in question depend partly on our summer business. If it were the owners' expectations, those shouldn't change regardless of how cleverly we move, as they'd set a budget in line with a goal and expect that goal met from that budget.

He also only says 'I don't think' in regards to it. He is only speculating, and I don't believe he is talking about the owners (or at least not entirely), so we should probably stop talking as though this is a direct line on the owners' expectations, because it is probably neither of those things.

Grammatically you may have a point - but I think we all know he is staying. He's never been going anywhere. And I suspect it's not taken much brain power (handy when it comes to Mowbray) to convince Venkys to keep him and the team on this time as they'll have a lot more going on than usual with Covid etc and Rovers will have slipped even further down their priority list. 

[Mattyblue]

Sharpe specifically says, ‘that isn’t my take BTW, just relaying what the viewpoint is within the club’.

Now you could argue he has no inside track to relay, but it is clear he is referring to what he believes are the expectations of the hierarchy, not his.

[Boroblue]

Their going to get a surprise on season ticket sales