Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Bigdoggsteel]

12 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

In the Tony Mowbray thread?

😂

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, J*B said:

That confirms it - I’m signing up to the golf club, I can’t put up with another year of negativity. 

Out of interest, why are recycled soundbites the deciding factor in whether you attend?

I dont get why people get so worked up about the nonsense he says. Its usual self preservation bullshit, he obviously doesnt really see results as an irrelevance and he is going to make excuses up.

And thats not me questioning anyones support, I am the first to say that the onus is on the club to increase supporters, whether it is by results/recruitment/management on the pitch or things such as pricing. But I dont get why his interviews are the thing that causes so much anger. If you was to say that you arent attending because you dont rate the manager, you dont like the results, you dont like the owners, the prices are too high, the best players may be sold, the team is going backwards, I would understand any of those, and agree even though I am still going very much in spite of these reasons. But his interviews dont really bother me personally so just trying to gauge where I am going wrong.

[Mike E]

14 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Out of interest, why are recycled soundbites the deciding factor in whether you attend?

I dont get why people get so worked up about the nonsense he says. Its usual self preservation bullshit, he obviously doesnt really see results as an irrelevance and he is going to make excuses up.

And thats not me questioning anyones support, I am the first to say that the onus is on the club to increase supporters, whether it is by results/recruitment/management on the pitch or things such as pricing. But I dont get why his interviews are the thing that causes so much anger. If you was to say that you arent attending because you dont rate the manager, you dont like the results, you dont like the owners, the prices are too high, the best players may be sold, the team is going backwards, I would understand any of those, and agree even though I am still going very much in spite of these reasons. But his interviews dont really bother me personally so just trying to gauge where I am going wrong.

I think he's been going despite all of those reasons anyway. The manager's delusions are the final straw.

[roversfan99]

7 minutes ago, Mike E said:

I think he's been going despite all of those reasons anyway. The manager's delusions are the final straw.

Just dont get how in that all of those other reasons are so major, that his interviews can be the final draw, these soundbites are often recycled by the Lancashire Telegraph and can be taken out of context or misinterpreted. Do we really think he doesnt care about results or that he doesnt check the league table? Of course he does, but hes doing a poor job so especially when he is asked more difficult questions, like anyone who would defend their incompetence, he spouts nonsense or tries to bring down expectations. 

[Mattyblue]

Those lines will have been uttered in May by all accounts and just taken out of the ‘Quotes for when there’s feck all happening in June’ file.

The LT is in blood out of a stone mode until there’s a pre season campaign/training and actual incomings and outgoings to talk about.

Edited June 25, 2021 by Mattyblue

[AllRoverAsia]

5 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Just dont get how in that all of those other reasons are so major, that his interviews can be the final draw, these soundbites are often recycled by the Lancashire Telegraph and can be taken out of context or misinterpreted. Do we really think he doesnt care about results or that he doesnt check the league table? Of course he does, but hes doing a poor job so especially when he is asked more difficult questions, like anyone who would defend their incompetence, he spouts nonsense or tries to bring down expectations. 

Mowbray like it or not is the mouthpiece for the Club.

No one else there says a fucking word.

If that lunatics banal drivel doesn't get to you well you are lucky.

It seems that acceptance that he is a lying self-serving toady is the way to go for peace of mind.

 

[dave birch]

27 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Mowbray like it or not is the mouthpiece for the Club.

No one else there says a fucking word.

If that lunatics banal drivel doesn't get to you well you are lucky.

It seems that acceptance that he is a lying self-serving toady is the way to go for peace of mind.

 

You're right of course ARA.

It's all going tits up.

So frustrating!

[rigger]

6 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Just dont get how in that all of those other reasons are so major, that his interviews can be the final draw, these soundbites are often recycled by the Lancashire Telegraph and can be taken out of context or misinterpreted. Do we really think he doesnt care about results or that he doesnt check the league table? Of course he does, but hes doing a poor job so especially when he is asked more difficult questions, like anyone who would defend their incompetence, he spouts nonsense or tries to bring down expectations. 

You seem to be dumming down that fact that Mowbray is lying to us.

[Ianglasgow]

Conman Mowbray is the reason I won’t renew . I’ll be taking in some grassroots like Clitheroe or padiham next year 

[rigger]

25 minutes ago, Ianglasgow said:

Conman Mowbray is the reason I won’t renew . I’ll be taking in some grassroots like Clitheroe or padiham next year 

I'll be taking in the U23s.

[JohnGo]

49 minutes ago, Ianglasgow said:

Conman Mowbray is the reason I won’t renew . I’ll be taking in some grassroots like Clitheroe or padiham next year 

My problem with boycotting is that it affects the Rovers. He’ll piss off with a big payday, and we’ll be in even more shit. I’m 63 and I’ll outstay the bastard

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Out of interest, why are recycled soundbites the deciding factor in whether you attend?

I dont get why people get so worked up about the nonsense he says. Its usual self preservation bullshit, he obviously doesnt really see results as an irrelevance and he is going to make excuses up.

And thats not me questioning anyones support, I am the first to say that the onus is on the club to increase supporters, whether it is by results/recruitment/management on the pitch or things such as pricing. But I dont get why his interviews are the thing that causes so much anger. If you was to say that you arent attending because you dont rate the manager, you dont like the results, you dont like the owners, the prices are too high, the best players may be sold, the team is going backwards, I would understand any of those, and agree even though I am still going very much in spite of these reasons. But his interviews dont really bother me personally so just trying to gauge where I am going wrong.

If results matter at BRFC, why is Mowbray still be the manager?

[tomphil]

That was just his latest get out of jail free card being played.

As we've often commented on in his time here his narrative changes to fit the situation. Every time it does he manages to do it in a way that projects whatever is happening at the time was always part of the plan.  Or 'journey' if you like.

Once it was clear they'd fooked the season up he turned it so it was all about development of individuals all along.

I'm expecting similar this season it's just taking him a bit longer to crank into gear.

[davulsukur]

On 23/06/2021 at 18:30, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

What will determine the expectation for Blackburn Rovers? | Lancashire Telegraph

“At the end of the day everything is about expectation,” he said. “If you’ve got a talented young team who need to grow, the expectation should be less than if you’ve spent £100m.”

Mowbray's negativity begins again in earnest. Getting his excuses in before a ball is kicked. 

If there is one thing he'll be doing a lot over this summer is dampening any expectations for this season.

He's already reset "the journey" once.

[JHRover]

He's already at it. only yesterday quoted in the Telegraph talking about expectations- again suggesting we are on a long term journey with the kids and expectations need setting accordingly.

What a way to try and flog tickets.

All a load of rubbish. There's no journey it is just a hand to mouth existence from one season to the next and he gets away with it.

[roversfan99]

6 hours ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Mowbray like it or not is the mouthpiece for the Club.

No one else there says a fucking word.

If that lunatics banal drivel doesn't get to you well you are lucky.

It seems that acceptance that he is a lying self-serving toady is the way to go for peace of mind.

 

He talks rubbish but I tend to avoid his interviews nowadays, the ramblings of a failing manager. The issues are those that lead to the aforementioned failings, tactical issues, recruitment issues, man management issues, selection issues, whatever they are. The interviews are a by-product of these failings, equally when we was doing ok a few years ago and everyone was saying how refreshing his interviews were, I didnt get too excited either. Actions speak louder than words.

5 hours ago, rigger said:

You seem to be dumming down that fact that Mowbray is lying to us.

I don't see him as some sort of manipulative con-man. He is just a failing manager tying himself in knots trying to keep the fans on side.

1 hour ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

If results matter at BRFC, why is Mowbray still be the manager?

No I agree, hence why a failing manager is merely a horrible symptom of negligent owners. But I meant more in answering more awkward questions after repeatedly poor results from journalists.

I do think that results matter to Mowbray, no matter what (slightly out of context) he says in his interviews as he tries desperately to answer questions in interviews to cover his failings. Stuff about being a performance manager, its meaningless twaddle to desperately try and get people to persevere without judging him. The results are proof that he is failing.

I am very keen to say going back to my initial point that I do not judge people on their attendance or non-attendance. Nor should anyone. I appreciate that everyone has their own financial issues, their own personal circumstances and indeed varying desperation/desire to attend games at any point. I have had a season ticket since 2000, but I have always been of the opinion that the responsibility regarding attendances lies solely with the club, for example after the Oxford game when many said "where are these people the rest of the time?" that I rejected that notion and instead was annoyed at the club and Waggott's incompetence in getting sales up the following season.

I just was trying to understand why recycled interview quotes are the final straw, we are clearly going backwards on the pitch which is reason enough for anyone not to attend should they choose. I am just skeptical that these quotes really are the straw that broke the camels back. Although even if they are, fair play.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

I just was trying to understand why recycled interview quotes are the final straw, we are clearly going backwards on the pitch which is reason enough for anyone not to attend should they choose. I am just skeptical that these quotes really are the straw that broke the camels back. Although even if they are, fair play.

When he calls himself a 'performance-based' and not a 'results-based' manager he's giving the middle finger to every single Rovers fan who can see through his bullshit and wants him gone. Why? Because he knows he's untouchable. He's just gone on one of the worst runs in the clubs history and he's still in a job. Results clearly don't matter. 

So results might not matter, but words do, and I draw the line at him flaunting the fact he's untouchable with bullshit quotes that undermine BRFC and it's standing as a professional football club in a results-driven business. 

So when he came out with his bullshit that was the final straw for me. That and the training ground fiasco.

Waggott and Mowbray genuinely disgust me. 

 

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

When he calls himself a 'performance-based' and not a 'results-based' manager he's giving the middle finger to every single Rovers fan who can see through his bullshit and wants him gone. Why? Because he knows he's untouchable. He's just gone on one of the worst runs in the clubs history and he's still in a job. Results clearly don't matter. 

So results might not matter, but words do, and I draw the line at him flaunting the fact he's untouchable with bullshit quotes that undermine BRFC and it's standing as a professional football club in a results-driven business. 

So when he came out with his bullshit that was the final straw for me. That and the training ground fiasco.

Waggott and Mowbray genuinely disgust me. 

 

Fair enough, I suppose the only person who genuinely knows if what Tony Mowbray said about being a "performance based manager" was sinister gloating about his job security or desperate nonsensical excuses attempting to justify incompetence is Tony Mowbray himself.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

Fair enough, I suppose the only person who genuinely knows if what Tony Mowbray said about being a "performance based manager" was sinister gloating about his job security or desperate nonsensical excuses attempting to justify incompetence is Tony Mowbray himself.

Has he been sacked?

Edited June 25, 2021 by Hoochie Bloochie Mama

[roversfan99]

2 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Has he been sacked?

I have quite clearly said that I am well aware that Venkys do not have the interest or the competence to sack managers based fairly on performance.

You have concluded from his quotes that he is purposely gloating or "giving the middle finger" to the fans by talking nonsense, that is not proven to be true just because he hasnt been sacked.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

I have quite clearly said that I am well aware that Venkys do not have the interest or the competence to sack managers based fairly on performance.

You have concluded from his quotes that he is purposely gloating or "giving the middle finger" to the fans by talking nonsense, that is not proven to be true just because he hasnt been sacked.

And it isn't proven that he's doing it to cover his own incompetence, as you have stated.  All we know is that he is the first manager in the history of BRFC, and possibly the history of professional football, to state he isn't a 'result-based' manager. That during one of the worst runs in the clubs history. Strange coincidence, especially as he has another 10 excuses he could have just as easily used, and often has....injuries, pitch, ref, money etc.

And Venky's have sacked a lot of managers based on performance. So that part of your post is utter nonsense. 

Edited June 25, 2021 by Hoochie Bloochie Mama

[roversfan99]

3 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

And it isn't proven that he's doing it to cover his own incompetence, as you have stated.  All we know is that he is the first manager in the history of BRFC, and possibly the history of professional football, to state he isn't a 'result-based' manager. That during one of the worst runs in the clubs history. Strange coincidence, especially as he has another 10 excuses he could have just as easily used, and often has....injuries, pitch, ref, money etc.

And Venky's have sacked a lot of managers based on performance. So that part of your post is utter nonsense. 

My point was that neither of us know for sure if he is gloating or just talking nonsense. I specifically said that the only person who knows for sure either way is Mowbray himself, all we can do is try and interpret.

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/blackburn-rovers-mowbray-future-results-20325498

He is clearly aware that the results are not good enough and the fans were become more and more discontent. He specifically said that ""I'm also a realist and I understand that I live in a results-driven business. I'm not hiding from it. I work hard everyday and I understand the consequences of not winning football matches but that is never not my decision."

In another interview, he said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19131704.tony-mowbray-the-bigger-picture-fan-frustrations/

“As you could see, we’re trying to be a possession-based team and when we get it right, we will be at the top of this league at some stage."

I personally believe, and like yourself, I am aware that it is simply my own interpretation, that based on the constant stream of excuses that you touched upon that he repeats ad nauseum, that he is not gloating and more pleading for more time and patience, especially with the fans. To me, that falls on deaf ears because I judge on what I see and we are going backwards, not forwards. I don't doubt that he is trying his best, but his best is in my opinion nowhere near good enough. He has a theory on how to improve which I think is inherently flawed and further hindered by his poor and ill fitting recruitment.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

My point was that neither of us know for sure if he is gloating or just talking nonsense. I specifically said that the only person who knows for sure either way is Mowbray himself, all we can do is try and interpret.

https://www.lancs.live/sport/football/football-news/blackburn-rovers-mowbray-future-results-20325498

He is clearly aware that the results are not good enough and the fans were become more and more discontent. He specifically said that ""I'm also a realist and I understand that I live in a results-driven business. I'm not hiding from it. I work hard everyday and I understand the consequences of not winning football matches but that is never not my decision."

In another interview, he said:

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/19131704.tony-mowbray-the-bigger-picture-fan-frustrations/

“As you could see, we’re trying to be a possession-based team and when we get it right, we will be at the top of this league at some stage."

I personally believe, and like yourself, I am aware that it is simply my own interpretation, that based on the constant stream of excuses that you touched upon that he repeats ad nauseum, that he is not gloating and more pleading for more time and patience, especially with the fans. To me, that falls on deaf ears because I judge on what I see and we are going backwards, not forwards. I don't doubt that he is trying his best, but his best is in my opinion nowhere near good enough. He has a theory on how to improve which I think is inherently flawed and further hindered by his poor and ill fitting recruitment.

Those quotes came after he originally said it iirc. Maybe someone had had a word?  And he flip-flops form week to week anyway. The fact is he said it. My interpretation is different to yours.

Anyway, you asked for a reason, you got one. If you think he's still in a job on merit, and that it's acceptable that he should think he shouldn't be judged on results, then good for you. If those quotes don't make you angry, given the results he was getting when it was said, then you are obviously Zen. 

But back to your assertion that he's still in a job because Venky's aren't capable of sacking him. That's clearly bullshit. The question is therefore, why is he still in a job? Who would be fighting his corner and recommending he should be kept on? He must have support from influential people because he clearly isn't doing the business on the pitch. And if he knows he has their support is it beyond the realms of possibility that he knows he's unsackable and can therefore say whatever he wants?

[Bigdoggsteel]

The owners either don't care, or they set on giving him the duration of his contract , pretty much no matter what. In a way the latter is admirable , it never happens anymore. He's a lucky man. 

[roversfan99]

9 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Those quotes came after he originally said it iirc. Maybe someone had had a word?  And he flip-flops form week to week anyway. The fact is he said it. My interpretation is different to yours.

Anyway, you asked for a reason, you got one. If you think he's still in a job on merit, and that it's acceptable that he should think he shouldn't be judged on results, then good for you. If those quotes don't make you angry, given the results he was getting when it was said, then you are obviously Zen. 

But back to your assertion that he's still in a job because Venky's aren't capable of sacking him. That's clearly bullshit. The question is therefore, why is he still in a job? Who would be fighting his corner and recommending he should be kept on? He must have support from influential people because he clearly isn't doing the business on the pitch. And if he knows he has their support is it beyond the realms of possibility that he knows he's unsackable and can therefore say whatever he wants?

I have long since given up trying to understand Venkys, nothing that they do is consistent or indeed logical. Maybe they do trust him like they apparently did with Bowyer, two managers who steadied things initially but outstayed their welcome, maybe they are busy worrying about the pandemic, whatever their excuse, it isnt good enough.

I can't disprove what you are saying either, nor do I want to appear to be totally relaxed about the situation. I personally think that your conclusion regarding his interviews is a little far fetched, whereas presumably you think that I am naive. I dont like the fact that Mowbray is at the club and havent for a while, but his interviews isnt where my frustration peaks. When we have just lost another game, when I look at the table and see us languishing, when he names a bizarre team selection, when we yet again fail to score in the first half, things like that provoke me more.