Tony Mowbray Discussion

[47er]

5 hours ago, BRFC4EVA said:

I find all this talk about Keane bizarre. Atrocious manager who has been sacked from his last couple of jobs and left those sides in an utter state. 

Hasn't managed a football club in over a decade..

In any case does anyone seriously think he and the owners could get on???!!!

I'd love a ticket for that!

[dallydally]

Well done Tony and Co in the transfer window just closed

Hope you can now get something out of your big signings - Gallagher and Brereton - and the loanees. Given that you've failed to replace Armstrong I don't envy your task but, never mind, you'll still have that big fat pay cheque to recompense you

It's going to be a long, hard season though so let's see how you shape up when relegation looms

[simongarnerisgod]

On 30/08/2021 at 22:53, Sparks Rover said:

I reckon Balaji would chuck money at a high profile manager like Keane. I'd love him in here to sort it out.

great players usually make terrible managers,keane falls into that category

[Sparks Rover]

1 minute ago, simongarnerisgod said:

great players usually make terrible managers,keane falls into that category

I know, I just want him to do what's right.  He's an honest guy and we need that... .it can't get much worse...I don't think he's that bad a manager.

Get some scrap into them...

Edited August 31, 2021 by Sparks Rover

[Bigdoggsteel]

10 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

great players usually make terrible managers,keane falls into that category

I think terrible is an over exaggeration. He won th championship with Sunderland and kept them in the PL. Was midtable with Ipswich, who are now in League 1. Hasn't done as well he would want to of course. I think he will do well yet, if given the chance at a club that fits well. Would definitely take him here. 

Edited September 1, 2021 by Bigdoggsteel

[roverandout]

I would take roy cropper over this plank

[JohnGo]

10 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

I know, I just want him to do what's right.  He's an honest guy and we need that... .it can't get much worse...I don't think he's that bad a manager.

Get some scrap into them...

Sparks I got loads of criticism when I wrote Keane would be ideal for the job. He’s had time out of management and I’ve listened to him and Neville discussing football. He’s a straight talking guy who expects 100% from his players, no more. He backs them and he will work with them to improve. Can that be said for Mowbray? If he doesn’t want to come get rid of Mowbray and Uranus and let Damion take charge.

[Armchair supporter supremo]

as much is i want Mowbray and his cronies to go.... All this talk of Roy Kean as a replacement is fkn absurd, the few managerial roles he had he was awful and he's not managed(or even been on a training pitch as far as i know) for around a decade!! 

can people not remember the absolute shambles that Sunderland became during and after his time there. I thinkna lot of that was because contrary to what youd imagine he was absolutely awful at the player management side(along with all tge rest) 

(for the record of the top of my head I'd want either someone young hungry and ambioutous like hasslbank or a solid proven manager that still has a lot to offer (and maybe something to prove now) like Hughes

 

 

but all that said, unless there's real money available to spend, no player transfer interference from the owners(or their representatives) and a genuine ambition to get out of thos league asap! then i cant imagine why any intelligent ambitious manager would join. 

Edited September 1, 2021 by Armchair supporter supremo

[Colt Seavers]

There was always a whiff of the bully about Keane; both as a player and latterly a manager. Footballers in the last decade have become even more snowflakey and entitled. I can't imagine young players wanting to work for a man like that and I can't see Keane adapting sufficiently to avoid upsetting the precious little darlings. 

[LeftWinger]

I'm hoping we get Keane in, just so we can get back to the days of the "Kean/Keane Out" protests.

Sure people have still got some banners that they can slightly adapt. 

 

 

[TheRoversReturn]

14 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

great players usually make terrible managers,keane falls into that category

Kenny Dalglish

Graeme Souness

Mark Hughes

[JohnGo]

I go Sunderland who were bottom of the Championship and we get promoted. That’s down to the players, the players done brilliant. I got good backing, good recruitment. We stay up in the Premier League and I see managers now when they stay up and they’re getting carried around the pitch. I remember in the dressing room and I was still a bit agitated thinking we could’ve done better and the season I left we were averaging a point a game I think and I think we were in the quarter finals of the League Cup; but I was still agitated. 

I thought we should be doing better, so that was my lack of experience. I wish for example I maybe rang somebody like Terry Venables or somebody for a bit of advice and they would’ve probably said to me ‘you’re doing well, you’re doing fine, relax’. I was still getting agitated.

When we stayed up in the first season for some stupid reason, I thought we would then automatically go up another 5 or 6 places which is madness. When I see teams now when we do the TV and you see teams stay up, you say they’ve done brilliant and I’d say what’s the priority the next year and it’s to stay up again. It’s about survival for the first 3 or 4 years, you see that with any team that gets promoted. But I just didn’t see that myself, I got a bit impatient and I was in the last year of my contract. 

I think part of my mind set was ‘I need to really get another step-up’ to maybe get a new contract or move on. I was in talks [ for a new contract] but because we’d lost 1 or 2 matches towards the end of my time there, I was reluctant to sign a new contract. It’s as if I was panicking and then we lost a few matches and I didn’t want to be seen that I was desperate by signing it and then before you know it – I’d left.

 

In the start of my second season Sunderland were sold to Ellis Short and the dynamics changed a little bit. Obviously the results weren’t great but again we were getting a point a game and which I should’ve been going ‘ok that’s fine’. I didn’t like the way he [Ellis] spoke to me, the tone of his voice. I go back to United or with Ireland, I think if people speak down to me or show me a lack of respect that does irritate me. It doesn’t mean to say that I’m not afraid to answer to people, obviously we’ve got owners and when I was younger we had senior players but my last conversation with Ellis Short he said I needed to move up to the area and I was thinking I’m 35/36; why should a guy be telling me a married man with 5 kids where I should be living. 

I see his point but I just think there’s a way of saying it, it’s the way someone speaks to you. If someone speaks down to you. Really when I look back at my differences with other managers – I feel I should really answer to my Dad, I shouldn’t be spoken down to by a Ferguson or McCarthy. Why should I be spoken down to?

 

Everyone makes mistakes, where do I start. I think the key for me where I got a ride at Sunderland was the recruitment. I got it wrong at Ipswich. [At Sunderland] I brought in not necessarily the best players but not always the best characters, I think that’s the hardest part. Do I look back on my coaches and staff and think did we get it wrong or got that really wrong? No, so I don’t think I would do too much different at Sunderland. When I was at Sunderland and we started winning a few matches people started to make out that we doing extraordinary things, which we weren’t. We had good training sessions and we got momentum. When you’ve got a good group, you’ve got a good group.

I learnt more from my time at Ipswich than I did at Sunderland.

Sounds to me like his relationship with Ellis Short who came in in the second season was the critical factor. Also I have a friend who’s a Ipswich supporter who confirmed it was the owners and their false promises that was the main failure at the club.

[Armchair supporter supremo]

2 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

I'm hoping we get Keane in, just so we can get back to the days of the "Kean/Keane Out" protests.

Sure people have still got some banners that they can slightly adapt. 

 

 

I can't argue with that logic 🤣🤣🤣🤣👏👏 very frugal 😄

[Armchair supporter supremo]

3 hours ago, Colt Seavers said:

There was always a whiff of the bully about Keane; both as a player and latterly a manager. Footballers in the last decade have become even more snowflakey and entitled. I can't imagine young players wanting to work for a man like that and I can't see Keane adapting sufficiently to avoid upsetting the precious little darlings. 

yea there's always a fine line between being strong a strong willed disciplinarian and just being a bully and the likes of keane and souness are way past that line by todays standards. 

 

tbh though i dont think discipline is an issue with our current squad though, so I'm not sure where this is coming from. To me the problem with the playing squad lays more with generally poor/sub standard training(which is an absolute disgrace considering the top class training facilities they have at their disposal) rigid transparent tactics with no plan b,c,.... and poor man management skills from Mowbray. 

[Armchair supporter supremo]

2 hours ago, TheRoversReturn said:

Kenny Dalglish

Graeme Souness

Mark Hughes

tbf that's just 3 names out of 000s of managers in the game most of which where never 'great players' but yes occasionally it does work and we've been lucky to have a few excellent examples of when it does work

[chaddyrovers]

17 hours ago, dallydally said:

Well done Tony and Co in the transfer window just closed

Hope you can now get something out of your big signings - Gallagher and Brereton - and the loanees. Given that you've failed to replace Armstrong I don't envy your task but, never mind, you'll still have that big fat pay cheque to recompense you

It's going to be a long, hard season though so let's see how you shape up when relegation looms

For me, Mowbray look more focus then the previous 2 seasons(almost like the Promotion season focus for me) and will the young squad we got he has coach them and manage them. 

Yes it will be long hard season but I did feel that the squad can achieve mid table finish(with a couple of January additions) and have a good season. We appears more solid defensive and have a plan A and B which I think last season we lack badly. Plus we need to use the counter attacking tactics and play Gallagher up front in 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 formation. 

 

[Ulrich]

What's Tugay or Salgado doing these days?

[JHRover]

17 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Yes it will be long hard season but I did feel that the squad can achieve mid table finish(with a couple of January additions) and have a good season. We appears more solid defensive and have a plan A and B which I think last season we lack badly. Plus we need to use the counter attacking tactics and play Gallagher up front in 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 formation. 

 

Define mid table and do you really think that is acceptable in return for 4.5 years in the job and 9 transfer windows?

[RevidgeBlue]

27 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Define mid table and do you really think that is acceptable in return for 4.5 years in the job and 9 transfer windows?

Question not directed at me but I would say imo it's clearly not good enough and the situations regarding the aborted sale of Brockhall and the expiring contracts are even worse.

[chaddyrovers]

29 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Define mid table

9th to 16th. 

30 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Do you really think that is acceptable in return for 4.5 years in the job and 9 transfer windows?

Like I said before I would have like a change of manager and footballing structure at the club. 

Mowbray should have got us up within the 3 year plan and after last season backing deffo should have been top 6. He has been financially backed over those seasons and falling to get a top 6 should have seen a change. 

But Balaji has decide he stays in the job for this season. 

For me, we now at the start(year 1) of 3 year cycle with FFP rules and funding. With is being close to breaking FFP rules this summer, We need a proper football and recruitment strategy in place now and clear transfer policy in place. What is going to happen with Mowbray after this season? will he stay or leave? How and who do we replace him with? 

The fact we have so many key players out of contract this coming summer is a massive issue and one the we need to tied Brereton, Travis, Lenihan, Rothwell to new contracts. Don't see Nyambe re-signing here. 

 

[simongarnerisgod]

3 hours ago, TheRoversReturn said:

Kenny Dalglish

Graeme Souness

Mark Hughes

on the other hand

bobby moore

bobby charlton

john barnes

stuart pearce

[roversfan99]

5 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

9th to 16th. 

Like I said before I would have like a change of manager and footballing structure at the club. 

Mowbray should have got us up within the 3 year plan and after last season backing deffo should have been top 6. He has been financially backed over those seasons and falling to get a top 6 should have seen a change. 

But Balaji has decide he stays in the job for this season. 

For me, we now at the start(year 1) of 3 year cycle with FFP rules and funding. With is being close to breaking FFP rules this summer, We need a proper football and recruitment strategy in place now and clear transfer policy in place. What is going to happen with Mowbray after this season? will he stay or leave? How and who do we replace him with? 

The fact we have so many key players out of contract this coming summer is a massive issue and one the we need to tied Brereton, Travis, Lenihan, Rothwell to new contracts. Don't see Nyambe re-signing here. 

 

So with the same team apart from our main goalscorer and main creator, and with the same manager, you expect potentially a higher finish? (9th to 16th is bar one place higher or equal to last season) Just seems totally unfounded to me.

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

So with the same team apart from our main goalscorer and main creator, and with the same manager, you expect potentially a higher finish? (9th to 16th is bar one place higher or equal to last season) Just seems totally unfounded to me.

We are playing very different from last season firstly. We are playing more solid defensively and playing on the counter. The team strong team spirit is there to see and toughness. 

Gallagher will now be the number 9 striker and we have bought skills or pace 2 attacking players behind that. Now Mowbray has to get the best of the team in terms attacking wise and being solid defensively also

Also bear in mind that we have took 5 points from 3 away teams who against teams I suspect we will be challenging for mid table spots. 

 

[rigger]

19 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

So with the same team apart from our main goalscorer and main creator, and with the same manager, you expect potentially a higher finish? (9th to 16th is bar one place higher or equal to last season) Just seems totally unfounded to me.

I also think we will finish higher than last season.

[roversfan99]

9 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We are playing very different from last season firstly. We are playing more solid defensively and playing on the counter. The team strong team spirit is there to see and toughness. 

Gallagher will now be the number 9 striker and we have bought skills or pace 2 attacking players behind that. Now Mowbray has to get the best of the team in terms attacking wise and being solid defensively also

Also bear in mind that we have took 5 points from 3 away teams who against teams I suspect we will be challenging for mid table spots. 

 

Will he play as the number 9? And will Mowbray start getting the best from his team?

I am sure there will plenty of Poveda false 9 before the season is out.