Tony Mowbray Discussion

[booth]

3 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Three centre halves, two full backs, two defensive midfielders… and it’s the strikers that should be stopping crosses coming in?

 

 

Well now we know why he signs crap attacking players, he’s judging them on their defensive qualities. Poorly.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Come Tuesday and Ewood could see it's lowest league game home crowd since the stadium was redeveloped some 27 years ago.A Manager who has no targets nor expectations and gives the impression he doesn't give a shiny shite either.

Simply not good enough for this Club and it's Supporters.

A slow,engineered decline and these b'stards are all in on it.

Edited September 12, 2021 by SIMON GARNERS 194

[Wheelton Blue]

One win in five now per the form guide. After what seemed like a good start upon which to build, Mowbray is already - and unsuprisingly - reverting to type.

For a whole myriad of reasons, he is simply not capable of winning football matches with any level of consistency. Every day this carries on, is another wasted day.

[rigger]

18 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

One win in five now per the form guide. After what seemed like a good start upon which to build, Mowbray is already - and unsuprisingly - reverting to type.

For a whole myriad of reasons, he is simply not capable of winning football matches with any level of consistency. Every day this carries on, is another wasted day.

I fear there will be many more wasted days.

[Cherry Blue]

21 minutes ago, SIMON GARNERS 194 said:

Come Tuesday and Ewood could see it's lowest league game home crowd since the stadium was redeveloped some 27 years ago.

A slow,engineered decline and these b'stards are all in on it.

You're right SG.

Reminds me of decades ago. We played Exeter City at home with a gate of around 3,000. Much later, at the time when we were top of the premiership with over 30,000 at Ewood, Man City fans taunted us with the "where were you when you were .......".

Completely different circumstances but we remain BRFC. 

[PeteJD13]

Mowbray constantly cops the flack, but he’s been left with a wafer thin squad and very little in terms of options off the bench. Also I don’t think it’s the first time deals have been setup then changed last minute and they’ve fallen through. There’s no way Mowbray is happy with this squad any anger should be pointed at waggott and pasha for not getting deals over the line. Should Mowbray have gone in the summer arguably yes, he didn’t and they’ve left him with a wave thin squad and he is expected to work miracles   

[rigger]

6 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said:

Mowbray constantly cops the flack, but he’s been left with a wafer thin squad and very little in terms of options off the bench. Also I don’t think it’s the first time deals have been setup then changed last minute and they’ve fallen through. There’s no way Mowbray is happy with this squad any anger should be pointed at waggott and pasha for not getting deals over the line. Should Mowbray have gone in the summer arguably yes, he didn’t and they’ve left him with a wave thin squad and he is expected to work miracles   

Each to their own, but I totally disagree with your post.

[matt83]

I think they all deserve equal amounts of abuse. They’re all in it together knowing how badly they do collectively they’ll make vast amounts of money. 

[islander200]

6 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said:

Mowbray constantly cops the flack, but he’s been left with a wafer thin squad and very little in terms of options off the bench. Also I don’t think it’s the first time deals have been setup then changed last minute and they’ve fallen through. There’s no way Mowbray is happy with this squad any anger should be pointed at waggott and pasha for not getting deals over the line. Should Mowbray have gone in the summer arguably yes, he didn’t and they’ve left him with a wave thin squad and he is expected to work miracles   

I accept he was limited with what he could do due to the budget but still look at the business we did do they are all similar type players.Poveda/Dolan/Khedra... Buckley/Clarkson.Filling the squad with midgets and his comments regarding Poveda suggests he will be playing false 9.

And we have a paper thin squad due to how the money has been spent in the previous seasons, players Mowbray brought to the club.

He spends all week talking up Butterworth and then doesn't give him one minute of action when Gallagher was playing poorly.

I find it very hard to have any sympathy for him,if we had of brought in a striker he would have ended up competing for a wide striker role with Gallagher and Brererton

[matt83]

Whatever way you look at it Mowbray, swag and his Indian pals have the club running at a loss of £20 million a year. TWENTY MILLION A YEAR. So they are getting far more to waste than they should have yet this is the best he can do after 4 seasons in charge. 

[Armchair supporter supremo]

15 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

Lose Tuesday and not Wednesday and he deserves to be potted!😂

wins 1 of the 2  or gets a couple of lucky draws and he'll definitely be here for at least a few more months.... 

 

it's ridiculous. 

[rigger]

What I can't understand is Mowbrays thinking. Yesterday he took off Rothwell, who from all accounts was playing well. To be replaced by our, at best, fouth choice center-half, who we have been loaning out. I was under the impression that if you wanted to shut out a game, you leave the defence alone, shore up midfield and usual take off a striker.

Edited September 12, 2021 by rigger

[PeteJD13]

36 minutes ago, islander200 said:

I accept he was limited with what he could do due to the budget but still look at the business we did do they are all similar type players.Poveda/Dolan/Khedra... Buckley/Clarkson.Filling the squad with midgets and his comments regarding Poveda suggests he will be playing false 9.

And we have a paper thin squad due to how the money has been spent in the previous seasons, players Mowbray brought to the club.

He spends all week talking up Butterworth and then doesn't give him one minute of action when Gallagher was playing poorly.

I find it very hard to have any sympathy for him,if we had of brought in a striker he would have ended up competing for a wide striker role with Gallagher and Brererton

I don’t disagree with the comments re Gallagher he was extremely poor yesterday, I’d have hooked him for Butterworth around 60 mins. Yesterday he’s got no one on the bench to come on and put their foot on the ball. Can’t blame Mowbray for the clubs inability to close deals that have been lined up 

[Blue blood]

2 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said:

No I’m completely blind to 12 players going and the manager not being able to recruit replacements 

Absolutely how is he meant to react to that when he has only had 4 and a bit seasons at the helm and 8(?) transfer windows? Poor chap had no chance. 

[roverandout]

4 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said:

No I’m completely blind to 12 players going and the manager not being able to recruit replacements 

He has though but he's recruited them in the wrong areas. He's had 2 months to find a striker.  Every other club manages it. 

[PeteJD13]

15 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

Absolutely how is he meant to react to that when he has only had 4 and a bit seasons at the helm and 8(?) transfer windows? Poor chap had no chance. 

Right so he how’s he meant to react when the clubs so incompetent it can’t close any deals ? 

[PeteJD13]

15 minutes ago, roverandout said:

He has though but he's recruited them in the wrong areas. He's had 2 months to find a striker.  Every other club manages it. 

Yeah they don’t have pasha and Waggott leading the negotiations. At least two strikers where identified neither got across the line, cannot blame Mowbray for that 

[islander200]

26 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said:

I don’t disagree with the comments re Gallagher he was extremely poor yesterday, I’d have hooked him for Butterworth around 60 mins. Yesterday he’s got no one on the bench to come on and put their foot on the ball. Can’t blame Mowbray for the clubs inability to close deals that have been lined up 

We would have had more of a chance getting deals over the line if we had more funds and Mowbray has had a major part in that.

It was on his recommendation we gave out contracts to the likes of Mulgrew, Bennett Evans, Smallwood etc.His decision to bring Rodwell in and Downing,Holtby etc.His decision to extend numerous players deals to finish out the season when covid first hit,players who didn't see a minute of action.

He had a good idea we would be reliant on our academy this season yet instead of blooding them in the dead rubbers at the back end of last season he decided to play the players who would be departing.

 

 

[islander200]

31 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said:

No I’m completely blind to 12 players going and the manager not being able to recruit replacements 

11 players were brought to the club last summer another 1 added in January and we finished 15th.

Did we really need both Khedra and Poveda?Did we need to spend our only transfer fee outlay on 2 left backs?

Money gets deals over the line and from the outside looking in what little we did have to spend has been spent in wrong areas

[rigger]

20 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said:

Right so he how’s he meant to react when the clubs so incompetent it can’t close any deals ? 

He could have started by, maybe trying the up-coming young forwards, in the dead rubber games at the end of last season, to see what they are like at championship level.

[davulsukur]

16 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

Lose Tuesday and not Wednesday and he deserves to be potted!😂

2 wins in 17 didn't cost him his job.

2 wins in 7 won't put him anywhere near danger.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, Wheelton Blue said:

One win in five now per the form guide. After what seemed like a good start upon which to build, Mowbray is already - and unsuprisingly - reverting to type.

For a whole myriad of reasons, he is simply not capable of winning football matches with any level of consistency. Every day this carries on, is another wasted day.

We are 9th in the league table currently. Forget the form guide. 

If I was to offer you 9th place finish in May with Mowbray in charge and this squad would you or anyone accept that?

1 hour ago, PeteJD13 said:

Mowbray constantly cops the flack, but he’s been left with a wafer thin squad and very little in terms of options off the bench. Also I don’t think it’s the first time deals have been setup then changed last minute and they’ve fallen through. There’s no way Mowbray is happy with this squad any anger should be pointed at waggott and pasha for not getting deals over the line. Should Mowbray have gone in the summer arguably yes, he didn’t and they’ve left him with a wave thin squad and he is expected to work miracles   

Yes Mowbray should have gone in the summer after 3 years building a squad and we never came up to going up including last season squad size and we have the second top goalscorer in the league. 

on transfers, Rovers should have been better and more organise in bring in a striker. Waggott has to carry the can for not being in bring in the striker we needed but why did we wasted so long chasing Obafemi and why wait to the end of window before trying to bring in a striker. Surely we should have a striker line up and in negotiations with one or a few to agree a deal as soon as Armstrong transfer was done. We knew since February that he was very likely he would leave Rovers this season. 

1 hour ago, islander200 said:

I accept he was limited with what he could do due to the budget but still look at the business we did do they are all similar type players.Poveda/Dolan/Khedra... Buckley/Clarkson.Filling the squad with midgets and his comments regarding Poveda suggests he will be playing false 9.

I would say Buckley is far from a midget and he gets stuck in as yesterday proves and won the ball back on several occasions. 

Poveda, Dolan and Khadra are wide players. I don't mind Dolan playing up front if his job is a similar role to the Swansea game but wouldn't do that if we have bought in a permanent striker in the last window. 

51 minutes ago, rigger said:

What I can't understand is Mowbrays thinking. Yesterday he took off Rothwell, who from all accounts was playing well. To be replaced by our, at best, fouth choice center-half, who we have been loaning out. I was under the impression that if you wanted to shut out a game, you leave the defence alone, shore up midfield and usual take off a striker.

I agree that we shouldn't formation at that time. But at 2 nil up after 65 mins I was saying we need a change as Luton was coming into the game but my first change would have Butterworth for Gallagher, But after they scored I said to the people I go with that Mowbray would go defensive and bring on Maglorie. 

47 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said:

I don’t disagree with the comments re Gallagher he was extremely poor yesterday, I’d have hooked him for Butterworth around 60 mins. Yesterday he’s got no one on the bench to come on and put their foot on the ball. Can’t blame Mowbray for the clubs inability to close deals that have been lined up 

The sub I would have made. More Brereton up front and play Butterworth wide left, 

I think he could have fetch on Clarkson to put his foot on the ball. 

 

[islander200]

7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

We are 9th in the league table currently. Forget the form guide. 

If I was to offer you 9th place finish in May with Mowbray in charge and this squad would you or anyone accept that?

Yes Mowbray should have gone in the summer after 3 years building a squad and we never came up to going up including last season squad size and we have the second top goalscorer in the league. 

on transfers, Rovers should have been better and more organise in bring in a striker. Waggott has to carry the can for not being in bring in the striker we needed but why did we wasted so long chasing Obafemi and why wait to the end of window before trying to bring in a striker. Surely we should have a striker line up and in negotiations with one or a few to agree a deal as soon as Armstrong transfer was done. We knew since February that he was very likely he would leave Rovers this season. 

I would say Buckley is far from a midget and he gets stuck in as yesterday proves and won the ball back on several occasions. 

Poveda, Dolan and Khadra are wide players. I don't mind Dolan playing up front if his job is a similar role to the Swansea game but wouldn't do that if we have bought in a permanent striker in the last window. 

I agree that we shouldn't formation at that time. But at 2 nil up after 65 mins I was saying we need a change as Luton was coming into the game but my first change would have Butterworth for Gallagher, But after they scored I said to the people I go with that Mowbray would go defensive and bring on Maglorie. 

The sub I would have made. More Brereton up front and play Butterworth wide left, 

I think he could have fetch on Clarkson to put his foot on the ball. 

 

Mowbray has already stated he sees Poveda as a central player 

And Buckley is small and lightweight

 

Edited September 12, 2021 by islander200

[matt83]

1 hour ago, PeteJD13 said:

I don’t disagree with the comments re Gallagher he was extremely poor yesterday, I’d have hooked him for Butterworth around 60 mins. Yesterday he’s got no one on the bench to come on and put their foot on the ball. Can’t blame Mowbray for the clubs inability to close deals that have been lined up 

I think you definitely can blame Mowbray to close deals. If he’s just handing over a bunch of names then sitting back and saying sort it, then he’s at the very least partially to blame. I don’t know if that’s how it works but surely any player joining any club would want to speak to the manager to find out what his vision is.

Or if he’s actively speaking to prospective players (which he should be) and they’re still not signing again he’s partially to blame.

If he is speaking to players they’re happy with what the manager is saying then swag et al go rogue then he can be absolved from blame. But I’ve not heard that. 

 

[jim mk2]

I wish Tony would be honest with the fans, and the club, and himself

Honest that he's taken the club as far as he can, honest that he can't do any more and put the club before himself and be honest that the club needs new direction

Picking up a huge wage under no pressure from the owners isn't being honest.