Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

10 minutes ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

“You know and I know that nobody gets carried away, I never do, because you can lose the next two and everyone will be telling you what you’re doing wrong...

This is pathetic. Why go and tell the media that we might lose the next two? The mentality should be we ARE going to win the next two games. This shoulder shrugging, dour, defeatist nonsense will absolutely transmit to the players and more than likely explains why we go on regular death spirals. 

How about you go and learn the game you've been involved with your whole life so that you're confident of how to win the next two games instead of doing what you've always done and being bang average at it?

No drive, no ambition, no inspiration. 

I listened to an interview on GMR with the new manager at Bolton the other day. What a contrast to Mowbray’s muttering. He was very honest, frank, confident and very impressive. He was asked “ Whereabouts do you expect to be at the end of the season ? “ He said “ Promoted with Bolton Wanderers “. No Mowbrayesque chat about consolidation.
He’s brought a real buzz to Bolton and after being dead and buried they’re on the way back.

[tomphil]

Perception, midset, attitude, ambition, drive and determination that failure isn't an option.

Yes you need combine it with realism and pragmatic expectation that says we are unlikely to bother the top 4 but......

All that has been all wrong here since we bounced back, they just settled in and set their stall out for a comfortable plod. An ambitious modest sized outfit or a middle of the road making up the numbers club ?

We know which one they've created, to the tune of tens of millions in the process. 

[Gav]

If Gareth Ainsworth ever get the managers job at Ewood he needs to get his hair cut.

Its 2021 not 1971.

[DeeCee]

27 minutes ago, Gav said:

If Gareth Ainsworth ever get the managers job at Ewood he needs to get his hair cut.

Its 2021 not 1971.

By the time Mowbray leaves GA will have gone bald.

[Colt Seavers]

I think that one of the main factors in our decent start to the season is the quality across the back five. The infamous "defenders are coming" has actually happened. I am very happy with four of the five and wouldn't swap any of them. I still maintain that Lenihan is not a natural centre half and I would love to see someone else, maybe Carter, or Wharton when fit, alongside Ayala for a few games. Lenihan has never faced a genuine challenge for his place which isn't good.

Also to Mowbray's credit, he has assembled a young, fearless set of lads going forward. They can be exciting to watch. He looks to be finally jettisoning this 'big man playing wide' debacle which has hamstrung us for so long. 

 

Edited September 16, 2021 by Colt Seavers

[Wheelton Blue]

I don't think he has jettisoned his wide striker fallacy.

Rather, due to his abject failure in replacing Armstrong, he's been forced to shove Gallagher or Brereton into the central role as he has no other choice.

[47er]

We'll play a few good teams in a row at some point and that's when we'll find out our true status.

[Paul Mellelieu]

Chris Hughton is available......

[1864roverite]

13 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

Chris Hughton is available......

No thanks

[Paul Mellelieu]

9 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

No thanks

As I've said elsewhere, I'd love Roy Keane.  Results aside, it would be fun.

[JohnGo]

37 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

As I've said elsewhere, I'd love Roy Keane.  Results aside, it would be fun.

Agreed Paul, I’m sure Roy would bring a consistent winning mentality.

[Glosrover]

1 hour ago, JohnGo said:

Agreed Paul, I’m sure Roy would bring a consistent winning mentality.

 

[JHRover]

Expect Forest to be interested in getting Chris Wilder in. They'd be mad not to try.

Another top manager who we should have been after who will be snapped up by a rival club in the near future.

[chaddyrovers]

31 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Expect Forest to be interested in getting Chris Wilder in. They'd be mad not to try.

Another top manager who we should have been after who will be snapped up by a rival club in the near future.

 

They are after Steve Cooper as first choice. 

 

[RoversClitheroe]

No one read Mowbrays article in the LT - sounds like he doesn't believe in contracts. Or he's a man under pressure and about to lose his job?

[chaddyrovers]

38 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

No one read Mowbrays article in the LT - sounds like he doesn't believe in contracts. Or he's a man under pressure and about to lose his job?

Or a man who knows he off at the end of the season?

 

[tomphil]

Nobody takes his words very seriously on much these days as he's prone to contradict himself a few days later. Then a month or so after that change the narrative completely.

That's football though things change but if he isn't here this time next season i'd be very very surprised.

[PeteJD13]

No so sure why Mowbray would be about to lose his job when we’re 8th, if we are still top 10 in three months I’d expect him to get a new deal. 

[tomphil]

It shouldn't be a consideration at all this season until March at the earliest.

If he doesn't like it or chooses to bail then fair enough it's his choice. He's had enough backing and wages out of the club in the last 5 years so actually trying to 'earn' a new deal does nobody any harm.

Chuck a 3 year extension in front of him and the foot will come off the gas before the ink is dry. Then it's all about the journey again, narrative reset.

Lets do it properly this time not letting sentiment or fear get in the way. By the same token if they are all set for change and not going to renew it whatever then he should be given the opportunity the leave in good grace.

He'd get a good send off that way.

[RoversClitheroe]

39 minutes ago, PeteJD13 said:

No so sure why Mowbray would be about to lose his job when we’re 8th, if we are still top 10 in three months I’d expect him to get a new deal. 

Please no 😩

[roverblue]

I would be surprised if he feels under much pressure at the moment, really good start to the season against some of the better sides in the division plus a lot of positivity coming out within the playing group about team spirit which shows on the pitch etc.

 

He should have gone during that abysmal run last season but got lucky somehow and survived. This season he hasn't got a lot wrong on the field and it all feels pretty positive again at the moment. There certainly isn't any grumblings about him on the ground on match days.

 

Whether or not the owners decided to end his contract next summer is another thing though, guess it will depend on what sort of season we end up having. For me almost all of our problems are off field issues with the contract situation, crowds, transfers etc. which aren't down to Mowbray.

[Admiral Nelsen]

On 16/09/2021 at 08:39, Colt Seavers said:

I think that one of the main factors in our decent start to the season is the quality across the back five. The infamous "defenders are coming" has actually happened. I am very happy with four of the five and wouldn't swap any of them. I still maintain that Lenihan is not a natural centre half and I would love to see someone else, maybe Carter, or Wharton when fit, alongside Ayala for a few games. Lenihan has never faced a genuine challenge for his place which isn't good.

Also to Mowbray's credit, he has assembled a young, fearless set of lads going forward. They can be exciting to watch. He looks to be finally jettisoning this 'big man playing wide' debacle which has hamstrung us for so long. 

 

 

I think Lenihan has suffered a bit from needing to be the senior player in our defence before he was ready. He hasn't ever struck me as much of an organizer, so being partnered with so many young defenders of the last few years can't have helped his own game. 

 

I was pleased to see him get motm against Hull - even though it was Ayala who got the goal, Lenihan was the better player over the 90 in my opinion. I suspect that Ayala still takes quite a lot of the credit for that though, being a calming presence alongside him. I see the two of them really complementing each other to be honest, I just hope that they can stay fit. 

[Wheelton Blue]

1 hour ago, roverblue said:

I would be surprised if he feels under much pressure at the moment, really good start to the season against some of the better sides in the division

5 of the 7 sides we've played are in the bottom half; 3 of which are in the bottom 5.

Hardly 'better sides'.

[Hullrover]

11 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

5 of the 7 sides we've played are in the bottom half; 3 of which are in the bottom 5.

Hardly 'better sides'.

However, had they beaten us then Luton & Swansea would have been level (+ Boro) so I guess it is just as well they didn't. And if we had drawn with WBA we would have been level with them. At the moment we are doing OK. At least we have eaten teams at the bottom which is not something we always do.

[JHRover]

I don't think the owners will make the decision. Honestly. I think they will be more than happy for Mowbray to stick around as they trust him and he doesn't give them a hard time so that's all they are really bothered about.

I think that assuming we don't get relegated then the decision will be all Mowbray's. The question will be whether he fancies sticking around and facing whatever fun and games the owners and their associates have in store.

By that I am referring to further budget cuts, austerity, confusion, delay interferance in recruitment and inability to get deals done or even renew contracts.

Many managers would have had enough by now but Mowbray seems to have the patience of a saint. Probably because he knows he won't get a better club than this and is in no rush to go anywhere.