Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Gav]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Come off it Gav. 

I know our unexpectedly good start and Hughton's demise at Forest fits perfectly with your "no-one could possibly manage the Club as well as Mowbray routine" but to call Neill an abject failure is simply wrong.

He did at least as well as Mowbray if not better on a fraction of the budget at Preston. Yet you call Neill an abject failure whilst depicting Mowbray as doing the best he possibly can.

 

The only thing that fits perfectly well with my opinion and views is we need to get rid of the owners, you'll catch on one day Rev.

Wilder is a manager that gets the blood going, but he's way beyond the abilities of Waggot and Venkys, I'd be surprised if they even know he's on the market we're that far dumbed down these days.

As for Neill, he's just been sacked from Preston.......I'll let that settle in for a minute, Preston........Abject failure in anyone's book, is that actually the height of your ambition Rev?

[Gav]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

Think Wilder in danger of thinking he's 'too big' - a number of clubs are understood to have had a nibble including us, WBA and Forest. 

Forest only had one target and they got him - Steve Cooper.

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, Gav said:

Forest only had one target and they got him - Steve Cooper.

article in the Athletic and thats posted in the Championship thread back that up

[Jimmy612]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

What was required at the time was a better manager than Allardyce which was well within Venky's means at the time.

😂😂😂

11 years and 9 managers later.... seems some still haven't learnt their lesson. 

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy612 said:

😂😂😂

11 years and 9 managers later.... seems some still haven't learnt their lesson. 

And still people forget or want to ignore that the same Allardyce wanted out of Rovers that summer for a Middle East club? 

[oldjamfan1]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

And still people forget or want to ignore that the same Allardyce wanted out of Rovers that summer for a Middle East club? 

He’s only saying that now to save face Chaddy. Had the Vs stumped up the cash for signings at the point of takeover he would have been happy to stay. It was the Walker Trust he was pissed off at

[chaddyrovers]

11 minutes ago, oldjamfan1 said:

He’s only saying that now to save face Chaddy. Had the Vs stumped up the cash for signings at the point of takeover he would have been happy to stay. It was the Walker Trust he was pissed off at

I knew that summer he wanted out for a middle East as the media reported it. John Williams later that summer confirmed it. So it wasn't about saving face at all

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/9007986.allardyce-i-wanted-quit-blackburn-rovers/

He wanted out of Rovers long before Venkys turned up. His own biography backs this up.

Edited September 21, 2021 by chaddyrovers

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, Gav said:

The only thing that fits perfectly well with my opinion and views is we need to get rid of the owners, you'll catch on one day Rev.

Wilder is a manager that gets the blood going, but he's way beyond the abilities of Waggot and Venkys, I'd be surprised if they even know he's on the market we're that far dumbed down these days.

As for Neill, he's just been sacked from Preston.......I'll let that settle in for a minute, Preston........Abject failure in anyone's book, is that actually the height of your ambition Rev?

Neils Preston finished above Mowbrays Rovers every season he was there. Handing out a few beatings in the process. The guy also got Norwich promoted to the Prem well within the last decade not when adam was a lad.

He must have something about him and is easily in the same bracket as Mowbray, better in fact going off those stats.  

At end the day the Bowyers, Lamberts, Neils and Mowbrays are all in that middle rung of gaffers.  Sometimes the dice just needs rolling so he'd be far from the worst choice to land on.

[Mercer]

1 hour ago, tomphil said:

Neils Preston finished above Mowbrays Rovers every season he was there. Handing out a few beatings in the process. The guy also got Norwich promoted to the Prem well within the last decade not when adam was a lad.

He must have something about him and is easily in the same bracket as Mowbray, better in fact going off those stats.  

At end the day the Bowyers, Lamberts, Neils and Mowbrays are all in that middle rung of gaffers.  Sometimes the dice just needs rolling so he'd be far from the worst choice to land on.

I think there is much to 'come out in the wash' and when Mowbray does go, I think there will be some interesting readings!

[roversfan99]

12 minutes ago, Mercer said:

I think there is much to 'come out in the wash' and when Mowbray does go, I think there will be some interesting readings!

Are you going to divulge or is it more cryptic and meaningless speculation?

[K-Hod]

2 hours ago, Mercer said:

I think there is much to 'come out in the wash' and when Mowbray does go, I think there will be some interesting readings!

Is this speculation, or something you’ve heard? I can’t be bothered with carrot dangling and people asking loads of questions, so I’ll save them the job….

[47er]

10 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

How do you know he does?

Even if he does, it doesn't suit him there. His strength is running at players and committing them in the final third. In front of the back 4, he isn't going to dictate games, he leaves gaps in front of the defence and his main strength is totally subdued.

He's a number 10.

[roversfan99]

15 minutes ago, 47er said:

He's a number 10.

Number 10 is certainly a more suitable position compared to where he is now. I would play him there too.

Edited September 21, 2021 by roversfan99

[Gav]

13 hours ago, tomphil said:

Neils Preston finished above Mowbrays Rovers every season he was there. Handing out a few beatings in the process. The guy also got Norwich promoted to the Prem well within the last decade not when adam was a lad.

He must have something about him and is easily in the same bracket as Mowbray, better in fact going off those stats.  

At end the day the Bowyers, Lamberts, Neils and Mowbrays are all in that middle rung of gaffers.  Sometimes the dice just needs rolling so he'd be far from the worst choice to land on.

Neil joined Norwich in January 2015, they'd been relegated the season before having spent 3 years in the top flight, they were flush with Premiership money and had good players on big wages. They went up through the playoffs in May 15 and came straight back down again.

Thats his only achievement to date, hardly spectacular really when you put it into context. The first time he had to manage with limited resources he failed at Preston, why would he flourish here?

Don't get me wrong tomphil, I understand the sentiment, I agree with you in the main, but if anyone is going to push this club forward it needs to be someone with a proven track record, or someone leftfield, not a manager like Neil who has just failed miserably 10 miles down the road.

 

[Mattyblue]

I’m non plussed either way with AN, largely because well, not sure he’s markedly any better and it’s all moot as he won’t be coming here once TM signs a new deal, but not sure how having a club with one of the lowest budgets in the league finishing 7th, 13th, 9th, 14th in his full seasons is ‘failing miserably’.

Edited September 22, 2021 by Mattyblue

[1864roverite]

15 hours ago, Gav said:

As for Neill, he's just been sacked from Preston.......I'll let that settle in for a minute, Preston........Abject failure in anyone's book, is that actually the height of your ambition Rev?

A manager of a Preston team that finished above us and beat us more than we beat them ! (and all with supposedly inferior players!)

[RevidgeBlue]

15 hours ago, Jimmy612 said:

😂😂😂

11 years and 9 managers later.... seems some still haven't learnt their lesson. 

Venky's certainly haven't (yet) a top class manager is almost all that would be needed to transform our fortunes although it has to be said the sheer incompetence of Waggott means that a change of CEO would likely be necessary as well.

[Jimmy612]

17 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Interesting hypothetical, if you offered Allardyce the sort of salary and budget to try and get us promoted that he accepts annually to keep Clubs in the PL, would he take it?

Probably not, as he's already turned that chance down at WBA.

If you offered it to say Hughes, I'd wager you'd get a different response.

Not withstanding the fact Allardyce is 10 years older than Hughes.  In fact, about 10 years ago Allardyce took a fairly similar job... the West Ham one.  Got promoted first time of asking and stabilised them as a PL club again. 

[Jimmy612]

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Venky's certainly haven't (yet) a top class manager is almost all that would be needed to transform our fortunes although it has to be said the sheer incompetence of Waggott means that a change of CEO would likely be necessary as well.

Correct, and therein lies the problem.  Wouldn't trust them to find their arse with both hands, never mind a competent manager.  They stumbled upon Mowbray and he's been the best of a really poor bunch.

[RevidgeBlue]

15 hours ago, Gav said:

As for Neill, he's just been sacked from Preston.......I'll let that settle in for a minute, Preston........Abject failure in anyone's book, is that actually the height of your ambition Rev?

Not really, Neill wouldn't be my first choice but he's generally done better than your hero Mowbray whilst he's been at Preston and on a fraction of the budget.

So if it was a straight choice between Neill and Mowbray I'd take the former every day of the week, plus Mowbray went stale here about 2.5 years ago and we'd probably benefit from almost any new voice.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, Jimmy612 said:

Correct, and therein lies the problem.  Wouldn't trust them to find their arse with both hands, never mind a competent manager.  They stumbled upon Mowbray and he's been the best of a really poor bunch.

I'd say Bowyer did better overall and did a LOT better in the transfer market than Mowbray but even he wasn't good enough in the final analysis.

[davulsukur]

He's now our 4th longest serving (post war) manager according to Rich Sharpe.

Jack Marshall - 2436 days

Bob Saxton - 2039 days

Johnny Carey - 1948 days

Tony Mowbray - 1673 days

[JohnGo]

Maggot in the telegraph today on contract situation. Looks like Nyambie, Rothwell are going, Lenihan possible. I think they are putting all their eggs in Diaz’s basket. Also looking like Mowbray is here for the foreseeable I predict a 12 rolling contract. Neil, Wilder can look elsewhere they ain’t coming here.

[Gav]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Venky's certainly haven't (yet) a top class manager is almost all that would be needed to transform our fortunes although it has to be said the sheer incompetence of Waggott means that a change of CEO would likely be necessary as well.

Venkys never will Simon (Agnew, Shaw, Singh, Waggot, Kean, Appleton, Berg, Bowyer, Lambert, Coyle and Mowbray)

You've always been a staunch supporter of the Venky regime, I don't know anyone else that falls into that category, your loyalty has been unwavering.

Why is that?

Edited September 22, 2021 by Gav

[roverandout]

1 hour ago, Jimmy612 said:

Correct, and therein lies the problem.  Wouldn't trust them to find their arse with both hands, never mind a competent manager.  They stumbled upon Mowbray and he's been the best of a really poor bunch.

I wouldn’t even call him the best. Bowyer did more in less time and he was garbage.  What does that say about Mowbray