Tony Mowbray Discussion

[roverandout]

1 hour ago, JohnGo said:

That’s a bit flippant.FFP affects how much we can spend on players salaries (first team only). It has no affect on the others. Mowbray was useless last season. We’ll see what this one brings. Lost fans should come and see what they’re missing. The pitch looks good to me and any infrastructure is excluded from FFP. I hope this clarifies the position we are in. Maggot out.

Just making a point. Ffp

[JacknOry]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

So would you had sold Nyambe, Rothwell, Brereton and Lenihan this summer then? 

Btw, I haven't failed to grasp anything thanks. 

Like I have said that they players have been offered new improved contracts. So its with the players and their agents

I haven't said we have to become solely reliant on academy graduates but bringing through academy players will be major part of any future player strategy. 

But you are far too quick to judge and failed to realise that some players need time to settled in. I've seen you do it time after time with different players. 

Maybe realised that last season pre season was far too short and a proper year at the club working under our fitness coach and physio has done him a world of good. 

He was good and performance well last season but he is far more confident this season than previous season. But we signed him cos of his potential and sadly its took over 2 years for us to see it. But He was been very good this season and scoring goals now. 7 goals. Do you reckon he will 20 goals this season now?

Like I did previous you are far too quick to judge. I will look to judge each player after they have played a few more games. Far too early to judge them in my opinion. 

You know what happened with Maja transfer. 

You have no idea if they are 'improved' contracts. Might be same wedge again for all you know. For whatever reason, the contracts are not good enough for the players to sign.

[DeeCee]

If it ain't broke don't fix it but Tinker Tony will more than likely put a spanner in the works at some point.

[RoversClitheroe]

34 minutes ago, DeeCee said:

If it ain't broke don't fix it but Tinker Tony will more than likely put a spanner in the works at some point.

Definitely, this is the manager who managed to only win 2 games in 17 with a slightly better team

[JohnGo]

4 hours ago, roverandout said:

Just making a point. Ffp

It’s FFP LOL

[Paul Mani]

On 26/09/2021 at 14:59, MarkBRFC said:

If you are walking out feeling empty after winning games I would say that says more about you than Big Sam's style of football.

I loved that 9-10 season, only 3 home defeats all season, including beating Arsenal and drawing with the other 3 of of the "big 4", good away wins at Bolton and Burnley, plus a league Cup Semi final run.

Night and day to anything we have experienced since.

Whether it says something about me or not, I can safely say that no other manager has made me feel frustrated in victory like Allardyce did. I’m not on my own, ask the fans of the other clubs he’s managed and you’ll hear similar rumblings.

I’m glad you enjoyed his style so much. It wouldn’t do for us all to be the same and it saved you from the feeling of being trapped in the most turgid brand of football ever.

I love winning too…my whole professional existence is based on it. But I go to the match to see my team win playing entertaining football. I’m no Mowbray fan but give me ‘that’ performance / entertainment on a Saturday (vs Cardiff) over anything Allardyce served up, any day of any week! 

[Wheelton Blue]

If anyone was under any illusion that Mowbray has somehow turned a corner, last night's capitulation should put paid to that.

The guy will never be able to consistently win football matches. He's his own worst enemy.

[RV Blue]

That last night was the one of the worst displays of managerial ineptitude I’ve witnessed. What on earth was the formation and why did he seemingly throw away a draw when it was clear at 2-2 that we were incredibly lucky to still be in the game? He was going to make a double/triple substitution and for some reason beyond me only made one, and that one was Rothwell (one of two in midfield) for Poveda?!? They had two really good chances to score before he had chance to make the remaining substitutions and he didn’t think to shore it up, he thought that the time called for two lightweight loanees with virtually no first team experience. Absolutely moronic.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, RV Blue said:

That last night was the one of the worst displays of managerial ineptitude I’ve witnessed. What on earth was the formation and why did he seemingly throw away a draw when it was clear at 2-2 that we were incredibly lucky to still be in the game? 

Really? The formation was 4-2-3-1 formation. Until Nyambe's injury then we went 3 at the back with wing backs and 3 up front. 

The game changed when Rothwell went off injured. 

2 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

If anyone was under any illusion that Mowbray has somehow turned a corner, last night's capitulation should put paid to that

I think your reaction is well OTT in my.opinion. 

2 losses in 10 matches. 16 points on the point board and we are still 6th. 

[Wheelton Blue]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I think your reaction is well OTT in my.opinion. 

2 losses in 10 matches. 16 points on the point board and we are still 6th. 

Thank goodness we do have 16 points, cos we all know what happens with Mowbray.

He screwed that game up last night with his substitutions. At 2-2, and with Rothwell going off injured, he should have shored up the defence and seen the game out for a draw. Job done.

Instead, what we witnessed was a debacle of substitutions, whereby we totally lost all control and basically threw the game.

He never changes Chaddy and that's why we'll never amount to anything under his watch.

[booth]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Really? The formation was 4-2-3-1 formation. Until Nyambe's injury then we went 3 at the back with wing backs and 3 up front. 

The game changed when Rothwell went off injured. 

I think your reaction is well OTT in my.opinion. 

2 losses in 10 matches. 16 points on the point board and we are still 6th. 

He screwed up the subs, again. You're acting like this is a new thing. Poveda, Clarkson and Magloire shouldn't have been on the bench never mind the pitch.
 
3 at the back with wingbacks - so that's 5 at the back with 3 forwards Chaddy. That's madness when we're trying to hang on.

Edited September 29, 2021 by booth

[RV Blue]

1 hour ago, booth said:

He screwed up the subs, again. You're acting like this is a new thing. Poveda, Clarkson and Magloire shouldn't have been on the bench never mind the pitch.
 
3 at the back with wingbacks - so that's 5 at the back with 3 forwards Chaddy. That's madness when we're trying to hang on.

And two out of the two wingbacks aren’t wingbacks, genius.

[booth]

24 minutes ago, RV Blue said:

And two out of the two wingbacks aren’t wingbacks, genius.

It beggars belief how anyone can say that Mowbray got it right. It was wrong and then some. The game had already changed when Rothwell came off, but at that point the manager went full Mowbray.

[chaddyrovers]

4 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Thank goodness we do have 16 points, cos we all know what happens with Mowbray.

He screwed that game up last night with his substitutions. At 2-2, and with Rothwell going off injured, he should have shored up the defence and seen the game out for a draw. Job done.

Instead, what we witnessed was a debacle of substitutions, whereby we totally lost all control and basically threw the game.

He never changes Chaddy and that's why we'll never amount to anything under his watch.

Well its down to Mowbray and Players why we have 16 points already on the board and how we have been playing including Cardiff 5-1. 

Who would you have bought on to shored up the defence barring in mind that Maglorie was already on? We were already playing 3 at the back and that was from when Nyambe went off in the first half when it was nil nil. 

We lost the game when Rothwell went off and his impact in the game was excellent and his driving runs at the defence from the deeper midfield area is why I like him playing there. 

[Wheelton Blue]

21 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well its down to Mowbray and Players why we have 16 points already on the board and how we have been playing including Cardiff 5-1. 

That is true Chaddy.

However, it's also down to Mowbray as to why there wasn't anyone to bring on to shore up the defence; why he changed formation due to one player (Nyambe) going off; why he inexplicably brought on 3 lightweights when we were up against it; and hence why we threw the game last night.

This is my beef with him. He always finds a way of cocking it up.

Edited September 29, 2021 by Wheelton Blue

[chaddyrovers]

8 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

That is true Chaddy.

However, it's also down to Mowbray as to why there wasn't anyone to bring on to shore up the defence; why he changed formation due to one player (Nyambe) going off; why he inexplicably brought on 3 lightweights when we were up against it; and hence why we threw the game last night.

This is my beef with him. He always finds a way of cocking it up.

so when Nyambe went off who would have brought on then? or when Rothwell went off?

Bring on Khadra and Poveda for Dolan and Gallagher was wrong? Not so sure by that. 

[Wheelton Blue]

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

so when Nyambe went off who would have brought on then? or when Rothwell went off?

Bring on Khadra and Poveda for Dolan and Gallagher was wrong? Not so sure by that. 

The fact that there was noone - other than Magloire - to replace Nyambe is Mowbray all over! That's the point!!!!!

As for the 3 subs, they are as weak as p*ss and the opposite of what was needed to shore everything up. Again, the fact that there was no-one else to bring on, is 100% on Mowbray.

[booth]

15 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

so when Nyambe went off who would have brought on then? or when Rothwell went off?

Bring on Khadra and Poveda for Dolan and Gallagher was wrong? Not so sure by that. 

When Nyambe went off I'd have brought Pike on and kept the same shape.

Rothwell, I'd have brought Edun on.

Butterworth for Gallagher, Khadra for Dolan.

If you think bringing Poveda on was right then you need to see an optician.

[arbitro]

1 minute ago, Wheelton Blue said:

The fact that there was noone - other than Magloire - to replace Nyambe is Mowbray all over! That's the point!!!!!

As for the 3 subs, they are as weak as p*ss and the opposite of what was needed to shore everything up. Again, the fact that there was no-one else to bring on, is 100% on Mowbray.

Hayden Carter deputised admirably for Nyambe at right back earlier this season. Rather than change the formation he could have done that and Magloire could have slotted in alongside Ayala keeping a back four intact. And I think Magloire would have been more comfortable in a back four.

[rigger]

41 minutes ago, booth said:

When Nyambe went off I'd have brought Pike on and kept the same shape.

Rothwell, I'd have brought Edun on.

Butterworth for Gallagher, Khadra for Dolan.

If you think bringing Poveda on was right then you need to see an optician.

Pike would never have got from Fylde in time.

[booth]

17 minutes ago, rigger said:

Pike would never have got from Fylde in time.

Whose fault is that? Should have been available for selection.

[RoversClitheroe]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Bring on Khadra and Poveda for Dolan and Gallagher was wrong? Not so sure by that. 

Chaddy, did you see the game? Because evidently the whole signing of Poveda was wrong let alone bringing him on

[chaddyrovers]

 

4 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Chaddy, did you see the game? Because evidently the whole signing of Poveda was wrong let alone bringing him on

Is that a serious question? 

Maybe check Huddersfield match thread where I posting during the game.

Far too early to writing off signings imo

[Sparks Rover]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

Is that a serious question? 

Maybe check Huddersfield match thread where I posting during the game.

Far too early to writing off signings imo

Why do you have to be contrary all the time? Anyone could see he was totally off in terms of application, technique, speed, attitude.  99% think he was dreadful and shouldn't be here, but always 1% is you.  

Its a strange game of one-upmanship where you pray he comes good so you can gloat.  Loads of times....

Note: I know I'm on ignore but I still feel the urge.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

No chance of progression with this Manager.