Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Sparks Rover]

Just now, ewoody said:

pressure is now starting to show on Mowbray.

 

Fuckin hell

[1864roverite]

Are some forgetting the budget was seriously affected by a lack of income to the club? That has had a huge affect on budgetary issues. In addition there are claims of excessive salaries again it’s speculation and misinformation Rovers have a salary ceiling and do not pay above it so Gally is not on the huge wages as some suggest he is !

The Armstrong Income will reflect in this seasons figures and again for some to suggest money wasn’t made available to spend it’s speculation and misinformation. Deals were agreed but players failed medical examinations!

FFP is another area where misinformation and speculation causes adverse reactions from supporters Rovers have not exceeded the proposed limits of losses and are clear of ffp Pitfalls. I am pretty sure we won’t fall into the ffp Issues this year because cash flow is back in the menu as is sponsorship and other lines of income.

[islander200]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Ultimately we are all somewhat speculating and estimating no matter how much some profess otherwise but that would mean that we would have been over 10/15m over FFP regulations prior to the Armstrong sale. 

I don't doubt that Mowbray's spending has been far from 100% efficient. Gallagher is the stand out mistake, not very good, big fee and big wages. Often criticised a lack of ruthlessness upon promotion when he dished out new deals too. I don't doubt that he played a big part in coming into the summer with a poor squad, and based on last season he shouldn't be here, but he has been very restricted by an uncompetitive budget this season, and it is not Mowbray's fault that he got such a restrictive budget, he isn't in charge of the purse strings, and being so restrictive will actually impede us financially when assets leave for free, so it is short sighted by Venkys. The lines have been about how tough it has been in India and putting the breaks on the journey, the FFP reason in the main has come solely from supporters, surely if we was so far over regulations, Waggott in particular and even Mowbray would have regularly brought it out as an excuse throughout the summer, but they didn't.

He does want as a big a squad as he can but even by loaning 4 in, the squad is still very thin and massively depleted in numbers compared to last season and we are struggling to name a squad with just a few injuries.

The Aberdeen manager confirmed a 500k bid was turned down for Hedges and it was after the Edun deal that bid was made.

Not a fortune but shows there was some money.The deal to take Maja on loan with an option was on again further proof there was some funds available.

Why would Mowbray and Waggott use being close to FFP as an excuse?It will be down to their mismanagement of the playing budget and Waggots failure to bring in income as to why we would be so close to the limit

Edited October 5, 2021 by islander200

[DeeCee]

Bash Mowbray thread,  he should have gone 2 seasons ago if the owners had any ambition, knowledge, good advice, sense, affinity, etc etc etc. He could be here for 3 more years, god forbid. 👎

[davulsukur]

Didn't someone say he was off to India during this break?

Chances he'll come back with a new contract?

[matt83]

13 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Didn't someone say he was off to India during this break?

Chances he'll come back with a new contract?

Yeah. I can see him walking into ewood like this. 

[matt83]

Want to lose £20 million a year and never lay a glove on the play offs. Who are you gonna call…

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, davulsukur said:

Didn't someone say he was off to India during this break?

Chances he'll come back with a new contract?

Think chaddy said that "it was his understanding" that he was.

Rich Sharpe seems to disagree though.

[JHRover]

6 hours ago, 1864roverite said:

Are some forgetting the budget was seriously affected by a lack of income to the club? That has had a huge affect on budgetary issues. In addition there are claims of excessive salaries again it’s speculation and misinformation Rovers have a salary ceiling and do not pay above it so Gally is not on the huge wages as some suggest he is !

The Armstrong Income will reflect in this seasons figures and again for some to suggest money wasn’t made available to spend it’s speculation and misinformation. Deals were agreed but players failed medical examinations!

FFP is another area where misinformation and speculation causes adverse reactions from supporters Rovers have not exceeded the proposed limits of losses and are clear of ffp Pitfalls. I am pretty sure we won’t fall into the ffp Issues this year because cash flow is back in the menu as is sponsorship and other lines of income.

I'm confused. 

What 'lack of income' did we have last year compared to any other club in the League? Why have we been so seriously affected by this whereas others haven't had to slash back on their spending?

Also, the sale of Armstrong will have cleared the vast majority of those losses, no?

You mention FFP as though this is something we have avoided, but I thought we were under an embargo earlier this year?

The bulk of our income continued to flow during Covid. We still had sponsorship, merchandise and most importantly media income. The thing we missed out on was ticket money, but we refused refunds on that so this was limited to the season 2020-21. Given we couldn't be bothered putting season tickets on sale until mid-September and then bizarrely decided to increase prices during a pandemic I think that tells us all we need to know about how important that area of income is.

[47er]

7 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

I don't doubt that Mowbray's spending has been far from 100% efficient.

Well that's one way of putting it!

[RevidgeBlue]

4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Think chaddy said that "it was his understanding" that he was.

Rich Sharpe seems to disagree though.

I've given Sharpe a lot of gip on here for various things but there is a reason why he is in all probability correct on that point.

If Waggott also thought there was a possibility that him and Mowbray could have hopped on a plane to dicuss a new contract for Tony then that fills me with hope that they're both completely out of the loop.

The sooner he goes the better though. OIther than saving a few quid in compensation there's absolutely no benefit to having him around. The sooner a new man can come in and properly assess the squad and start to rebuild the better.

[gumboots]

21 hours ago, booth said:

Kenny didn't need to shout a lot. He used to find somewhere to stand so they could see him, they knew he was watching and they could be out if they delivered a shoddy performance.




 

Would have been no point in shouting. According to a former player, nobody understood a word he said in training anyway and they just used to do what they thought he meant and rely on the coaches to put them right

[oldjamfan1]

18 hours ago, ewoody said:

pressure is now starting to show on Mowbray.

 

He’s not unlike Tugay 😱😂

[roverandout]

Is that mowbray's wife 

[Oldgregg86]

20 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

Fuckin hell

I said that out loud when I seen it then scrolled down 😂

[Lucimo]

15 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Think chaddy said that "it was his understanding" that he was.

Rich Sharpe seems to disagree though.

Chaddy was adamant too. Said he trusted his 'source'. Probably nicko 

[Tom]

Maybe they were going to go, maybe it was less appealing for them after a couple of losses mind you 

[booth]

2 hours ago, gumboots said:

Would have been no point in shouting. According to a former player, nobody understood a word he said in training anyway and they just used to do what they thought he meant and rely on the coaches to put them right

Which is weird because in all of his interviews I could understand him perfectly.

I was once in the changing room for that Premier League winning team and no one seemed to have any problems understanding or communicating with Kenny, who was in high spirits. Ray Harford unsurprisingly, seemed bloody depressed.

[JacknOry]

Met Kenny and his family, including the (back then) gorgeous Kelly (about my age at the time too) and his son Paul when on holiday in La Manga the season after we won the league. Only spoke to him for a few minutes but I never had any trouble understanding him.

And no, I did not manage to pull Kelly, though she did comment on the Joop aftershave I was wearing.

[gumboots]

2 hours ago, booth said:

Which is weird because in all of his interviews I could understand him perfectly.

I was once in the changing room for that Premier League winning team and no one seemed to have any problems understanding or communicating with Kenny, who was in high spirits. Ray Harford unsurprisingly, seemed bloody depressed.

I understood his interviews, but I was present when the ex player said it so I believe him.  Maybe it was just when he got annoyed on the training pitch; I don't know but it was said by someone I had no reason to doubt.

[Silas]

1 hour ago, gumboots said:

I understood his interviews, but I was present when the ex player said it so I believe him.  Maybe it was just when he got annoyed on the training pitch; I don't know but it was said by someone I had no reason to doubt.

People talk differently when in an informal setting than when in a professional environment. I know loads of scousers and geordies similar. 

Probably explains it.

I once spent a brief amount of time with the Dalglish family, and couldn't understand a bloody word Kenny said. Any questions he asked me I just nodded, said 'Yes', and hoped for the best.

But whenever he's on TV every word is clear as day.

Your story checks out. 

[rigger]

5 hours ago, Lucimo said:

Chaddy was adamant too. Said he trusted his 'source'. Probably nicko 

Prince Charming.

[broadsword]

1 hour ago, JacknOry said:

Met Kenny and his family, including the (back then) gorgeous Kelly (about my age at the time too) 

And still is, you'd have thought? 

 

🤔 

[Paul Mellelieu]

1 hour ago, JacknOry said:

Met Kenny and his family, including the (back then) gorgeous Kelly (about my age at the time too) and his son Paul when on holiday in La Manga the season after we won the league. Only spoke to him for a few minutes but I never had any trouble understanding him.

And no, I did not manage to pull Kelly, though she did comment on the Joop aftershave I was wearing.

Joop!  Dear god.

[JacknOry]

1 hour ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

Joop!  Dear god.

She knew what it was - not sure that's a good thing or not.