Tony Mowbray Discussion

[tomphil]

51 minutes ago, Waggy76 said:

If his project here is allowed to meanander much longer , a relegation battle beckons ...

He beggers belief !

Entirely possible that the honorable one walks this summer if no contract is on offer. Leaving us in a right old mess at least 50% of his making.

Strangely though that might be the best thing for us in the long run.

[booth]

11 hours ago, Mercer said:

FFS Chaddy, the majority of fans do not support the club expecting a 9th to 14/15th finish in the p1ss pot Championship.  How bereft of ambition we've become.  IMO, five years of Mowbray's mismanagement have put us in this position.  His squad, his player trading, his inability to sell the club to those players stalling on new contracts - the buck stoops with him, full stop, no excuses.

Mowbray has been with us almost 5 years and I think he's a totally sh1t manager, specialising in verbal diarrhea which, unfortunately, many fans swallow sheep like.

My first wish for Christmas is to see turkeys on the supermarket shelves and my second wish is to see the back of, IMO, this dinosaur of a manager and I don't think I'll be disappointed!

Bollocks to turkeys on shelves… Tombola fiddler out.

[Rogerb]

My thoughts on yesterday for what they are worth. Robin's quickly identified van Hecke as the weak link and played the physical Walker against him in the first half. Van Hecke stood up to this reasonably well. Second half he plays the more nimble and agile Gyokeres against Van Hecke and he has him on toast. Mowbray can see all this but is passive about it making no attempt to disrupt Coventry dominance. There were other options for mowbray but no attempt to try them when clearly the original plan is not working. Could have gone to four at the back with Nyambe at right back with speed to counteract Gyokeres. Could have swapped van Hecke and lenihan positionally. Could have taken van Hecke off.

No attempt to change the flow of the game it's like he's watching a football simulation game on a commodore 64

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

How do you know that is factually correct?

It was posted on here by several different posters. Why would they posted factually incorrectly information? 

2 hours ago, lraC said:

There are others predicting change too, but absolutely no sign of that right now.

Depends what those changes are.

[Doogs]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

The championship is not piss pot league at all but a league that is very competitive and enjoyable to watch where anyone can beat anyone. 

Also instead of saying majority of fans let say its not what you want to support the club for. 

Sorry but the buck doesn't stop with Mowbray over new contracts and he has very little part in the contract negotiations to be honest. Waggott does them. Plus you don't factor that most championship clubs have financial reset and not willing to over pay players and in fact cut the budgets and be less reliant on the owners money. 

I think he is far from shit manager and he was excellent for the club in the 3 years of his reign given the totally mess that Coyle left us after his sacking. 

Mercer, well in all fairness you have been predicting this for the last 9/10 months now and quite frankly its been pathetic to keep reading. Another one of your prediction that never happened. 

I have always said since the summer that I suspect that November international break would be where they decide to stick or twist with Mowbray and his future here, 

I wonder where Alex Neil is on his longest walk to Ewood Park manager seat we seen ever? Thats must be one long route to the club.  

Chaddyrovers. I respect you for still going, but i have packed it in this season. So bored with Tony and the same excuses. I just see a total lack of ambition from top to bottom.

Where was Carter yesterday. Why does Butterworth not get a game? Are these loan players any better? 

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

The championship is not piss pot league at all but a league that is very competitive and enjoyable to watch where anyone can beat anyone. 

Also instead of saying majority of fans let say its not what you want to support the club for. 

Sorry but the buck doesn't stop with Mowbray over new contracts and he has very little part in the contract negotiations to be honest. Waggott does them. Plus you don't factor that most championship clubs have financial reset and not willing to over pay players and in fact cut the budgets and be less reliant on the owners money. 

I think he is far from shit manager and he was excellent for the club in the 3 years of his reign given the totally mess that Coyle left us after his sacking. 

Mercer, well in all fairness you have been predicting this for the last 9/10 months now and quite frankly its been pathetic to keep reading. Another one of your prediction that never happened. 

I have always said since the summer that I suspect that November international break would be where they decide to stick or twist with Mowbray and his future here, 

I wonder where Alex Neil is on his longest walk to Ewood Park manager seat we seen ever? Thats must be one long route to the club.  

Waggott is to blame for a lot of things, I am not sure that contract struggles due to lack of finance are amongst those really. He said that we have offered them as much as "we can" so the restrictions come back to the bastards in India who don't seem to realise that for a few thousand each, we likely will allow most of our better players and assets to leave for free which will probably if history is to be believed lead to relegation again at some point.

[chaddyrovers]

11 minutes ago, Doogs said:

Chaddyrovers. I respect you for still going

Thankyou very much. 

11 minutes ago, Doogs said:

but i have packed it in this season. 

Very sorry to hear this. 

12 minutes ago, Doogs said:

Where was Carter yesterday. Why does Butterworth not get a game? Are these loan players any better? 

I don't know if Carter was too ill to be on bench. 

Butterworth agreed and would like to see more of him. 

Khadra has been the best of the loan players and give us a different options wide. Poveda and Clarkson haven't been good enough. Van Hecke first game yesterday 

[Mercer]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

The championship is not piss pot league at all but a league that is very competitive and enjoyable to watch where anyone can beat anyone. 

Also instead of saying majority of fans let say its not what you want to support the club for. 

Sorry but the buck doesn't stop with Mowbray over new contracts and he has very little part in the contract negotiations to be honest. Waggott does them. Plus you don't factor that most championship clubs have financial reset and not willing to over pay players and in fact cut the budgets and be less reliant on the owners money. 

I think he is far from shit manager and he was excellent for the club in the 3 years of his reign given the totally mess that Coyle left us after his sacking. 

Mercer, well in all fairness you have been predicting this for the last 9/10 months now and quite frankly its been pathetic to keep reading. Another one of your prediction that never happened. 

I have always said since the summer that I suspect that November international break would be where they decide to stick or twist with Mowbray and his future here, 

I wonder where Alex Neil is on his longest walk to Ewood Park manager seat we seen ever? Thats must be one long route to the club.  

I'd rather watch the grass grow than some of the turgid stuff I think Mowbray has served up in the Championship.

Think it's fair to say Rovers have lost approx. half their fan base (including season tickets) over the years and that tells you all you need to know about your 'enjoyable Championship' and the performances and attainment levels delivered by Mowbray.

Fact - players will sign for a decent manager who they see fired with ambition and purpose.  I think likes of Nyambe, Lenihan, Rothwell, Brereton  etc can see through Mowbray's journey and find it underwhelming.

So you think Mowbray was excellent for his first three years - for God's sake we were relegated under the man when, by his own admission to fans at Blues' Bar some two years ago, he was appointed to keep us up.  Failure - full stop.  I don't think Warnock would think he'd done an excellent job if he was appointed to keep a club up and ended up getting them relegated!

I've told you so many times Alex Neill would not be my choice!  However, I think the chances of him being Rovers' manager at Christmas are higher than Mowbray's and if there was a market for this then I would be putting a big bet on it - read into that what you want. Just remember this point and when I said it!

Edited October 17, 2021 by Mercer

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Waggott is to blame for a lot of things, I am not sure that contract struggles due to lack of finance are amongst those really. He said that we have offered them as much as "we can" so the restrictions come back to the bastards in India who don't seem to realise that for a few thousand each, we likely will allow most of our better players and assets to leave for free which will probably if history is to be believed lead to relegation again at some point.

Didn't blame Waggott tho in my post did I? 

Like I said with football at most  Championship and below clubs having a financial reset and cutting budgets, players will look to for the best wages they can. We have our wage budget and we have to keep to it. Players like Lenihan, Rothwell and Nyambe have a big decision to make. Stick or twist. But for me, Rovers should be scouting for replacements and players who are our of contract like John Souttar and Jo Kenny from Everton next summer

[Mattyblue]

37 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

It was posted on here by several different posters. Why would they posted factually incorrectly information? 

 

They are passing on what they heard, so is obviously second/third hand info. So of course it isn’t a verified ‘fact’ when then posted on an Internet forum. All kids of gossip leaks out of football clubs.

Edited October 17, 2021 by Mattyblue

[Doogs]

23 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Thankyou very much. 

Very sorry to hear this. 

I don't know if Carter was too ill to be on bench. 

Butterworth agreed and would like to see more of him. 

Khadra has been the best of the loan players and give us a different options wide. Poveda and Clarkson haven't been good enough. Van Hecke first game yesterday 

Thank You..

[unsall]

Looks as though McCarthy could be next for the chop, another supposedly top championship manager who it’s not working out.

[roversfan99]

13 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Didn't blame Waggott tho in my post did I? 

Like I said with football at most  Championship and below clubs having a financial reset and cutting budgets, players will look to for the best wages they can. We have our wage budget and we have to keep to it. Players like Lenihan, Rothwell and Nyambe have a big decision to make. Stick or twist. But for me, Rovers should be scouting for replacements and players who are our of contract like John Souttar and Jo Kenny from Everton next summer

Cutting budgets and losing all your assets on frees as a result. I very much doubt that if we are working under such strict caps, that these free agents who will have a pick of potential clubs would come here for the same reason that these players are leaving in the first place.

[jim mk2]

Steve Bruce likely to be available soon. Good record operating at clubs with little or no money and if he’s still got the appetite for the game I’d be after him if I were in charge. But I’m not so it was pretty pointless posting this. I thenk you 

 

 

 

[roversfan99]

I think Steve Bruce (this may be outdated or simply totally wrong) has the most promotions from the Championship out of anybody.

[oldjamfan1]

I would take Bruce in a heartbeat

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

I'd rather watch the grass grow than some of the turgid stuff I think Mowbray has served up in the Championship.

Well I hope you forward to the grass growing in the winter Mercer, 

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

Think it's fair to say Rovers have lost approx. half their fan base (including season tickets) over the years and that tells you all you need to know about your 'enjoyable Championship' and the performances and attainment levels delivered by Mowbray.

Each fan has made they made their choice whether to give up going and not renew or Keep going to games and buying a season ticket. The appointment of Ince or Kean or Coyle never forced me away from attending Ewood Park and no manager appointment would to be honest

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

Fact - players will sign for a decent manager who they see fired with ambition and purpose.  I think likes of Nyambe, Lenihan, Rothwell, Brereton  etc can see through Mowbray's journey and find it underwhelming.

Maybe you have forget that most championship clubs have a finiancial reset and looking to cut their budget. 

Brereton I suspect will move to PL club like Newcastle or a Spanish club in the summer for around 20 million pounds. 

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

So you think Mowbray was excellent for his first three years - for God's sake we were relegated under the man

I put the most of the blame on Coyle and the squad he assemble that summer. Of Course you won't blame that dingle tho. 

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

I've told you so many times Alex Neill would not be my choice!  However, I think the chances of him being Rovers' manager at Christmas are higher than Mowbray's and if there was a market for this then I would be putting a big bet on it - read into that what you want. Just remember this point and when I said it!

Mercer, like you keep saying time after time like your "tipping point" posts over the years. Its never happened and I serious doubt this one will.  You been saying it for 10 months and quite frankly He must been on on very long walking route to Ewood Park to join us. Though at least he getting plenty of exercise tho

I have said that we need a modern day coach who is good with tactics, training and will keep bringing through the good young players we have at academy level. Steve Cooper would have been the ideal candidate before he joined Forest. It would be interesting to see who Rovers would go if we have a managerial vacancy and the type of manager/head coach we would go for.  

 

Edited October 17, 2021 by chaddyrovers

[roversfan99]

Coyle was a shocking manager but as per most managers at some point of their reign under Venkys, the budget he was given was not competitive. He had to sell his main 2 players in Hanley and Duffy for close to 10m, from a team to which most of its assets had already been sold mainly for cheap. He was given a pathetic 250k to reinvest and had to assemble a team of freebies and loanees. He actually made 3 or 4 useful signings amidst some dross but obviously his general incompetence meant that from the patched up squad, there was no chance that he would have it organised and fit.

The same thing happened to Bowyer when the team was sold one by one and he had to sign freebies under an embargo, the same thing happened to Mowbray selling Armstrong and having to fill 12 squad places with only a cheap Lincoln left back and 4 cheap kids on loan deals, Lambert needed to sell Rhodes and only could bring in loans and cheap deals.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, unsall said:

Looks as though McCarthy could be next for the chop, another supposedly top championship manager who it’s not working out.

Another manager who is finding tough this season just like Hughton and Warnock have this season. 

I think we need go for younger modern coach who is good tactician and can sort the defence out. 

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

Cutting budgets and losing all your assets on frees as a result. I very much doubt that if we are working under such strict caps, that these free agents who will have a pick of potential clubs would come here for the same reason that these players are leaving in the first place.

Football at this level is having a football reset financially and clubs don't have the same amount of money as before the pre pandemic times. 

Rovers have signed players who want to come and play football for the right reasons and not just for financial reasons. 

Would you sell Lenihan, Nyambe and Rothwell if they won't sign new contracts in January? then sign replacements for them

Edited October 17, 2021 by chaddyrovers

[roversfan99]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Another manager who is finding tough this season just like Hughton and Warnock have this season. 

I think we need go for younger modern coach who is good tactician and can sort the defence out. 

Football at this level is having a football reset financially and clubs don't have the same amount of money as before the pre pandemic times. 

Rovers have signed players who want to come and play football for the right reasons and not just for financial reasons. 

Would you sell Lenihan, Nyambe and Rothwell if they won't sign new contracts in January? then sign replacements for them

If we were unable to agree contracts with all 3, that would be piss poor, no excuses. If we sold all 3, I would fear relegation, you can't just remove so much of the experience in your team like that and not face the consequences. It would show where the club is heading, and that is not up.

[Waggy76]

53 minutes ago, oldjamfan1 said:

I would take Bruce in a heartbeat

When Bruce finally  gets his severance from Newcastle , I doubt he will manage again....

 

[oldjamfan1]

1 minute ago, Waggy76 said:

When Bruce finally  gets his severance from Newcastle , I doubt he will manage again....

 

Yeah you’re probably right - even leaving aside the fact he wouldn’t need the money he’ll need a break for sure after the madness of St James Park.

[chaddyrovers]

44 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

If we were unable to agree contracts with all 3, that would be piss poor, no excuses. If we sold all 3, I would fear relegation, you can't just remove so much of the experience in your team like that and not face the consequences. It would show where the club is heading, and that is not up.

If they won't re-sign then can you blame the club really? not sure. We have offered them new improve contracts so we have to see what happens. 

But I do think the club and the recruitment team have to be scouting permanent replacements for each of them. Like last week link with Hearts centre back John Souttar. 

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

If they won't re-sign then can you blame the club really? 

Yes.

[JHRover]

The club and owners are responsible.

If our best players decide not to stay that tells us all we need to know.

Normally academy products who are first team regulars/captains would want to stay. They aren't getting PL interest so their alternative will be some other second division club.

Why would anyone with ambition want to stay here with this setup?