Tony Mowbray Discussion

[RoversClitheroe]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

Bennett was always leaving to move back closer to home and to have more time with his family.

Did he tell you that? 

You make everything sound like a fact when it's actually what you are assuming.

You say that Mowbray wasnt going to be replaced and rejected various posters that said it would happen.

Yet you back something up by saying various posters have said it so it must be true? 

[Mike E]

I'm struggling, racking my brains, trying to work out why Butterworth has disappeared from the first team because it certainly isn't injury or lack of talent.

I reckon he's either slagged of Mrs Mowbray's lemon drizzle or he's got some stupid clause in his contract.

Do we still do those extra fees to agents or former clubs 'after X appearances'?

[chaddyrovers]

45 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Did he tell you that? 

You make everything sound like a fact when it's actually what you are assuming.

You say that Mowbray wasnt going to be replaced and rejected various posters that said it would happen.

Yet you back something up by saying various posters have said it so it must be true? 

RoversClitheroe, If you want to not believe what posters have posted on here thats fine and but I don't believe any Rovers fan would posted false info. 

I rejected what Mercer is posting cos he has been posting this rumour for the past 10 months and nothing has happened. Which way is Alex Neil coming to Ewood Park? Also over the years he has posted about a "tipping point" which yet again has never happened. 

 

Edited October 18, 2021 by chaddyrovers

[chaddyrovers]

Chris Sutton on Mowbray and the job he has done here

Former Blackburn Rovers hero issues verdict on Tony Mowbray's tenure following Coventry City draw - LancsLive

"I think Blackburn's best chance of promotion is getting in the play-offs this season," Sutton stated on the 606 call-in. "I know there have been dissenters regarding Tony Mowbray within the fanbase.

"He's been there a long time and some fans have been questioning the job that he's been doing.

"I have to say, on the whole, I think he's done a pretty extraordinary job.

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6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Chris Sutton on Mowbray and the job he has done here

Former Blackburn Rovers hero issues verdict on Tony Mowbray's tenure following Coventry City draw - LancsLive

"I think Blackburn's best chance of promotion is getting in the play-offs this season," Sutton stated on the 606 call-in. "I know there have been dissenters regarding Tony Mowbray within the fanbase.

"He's been there a long time and some fans have been questioning the job that he's been doing.

"I have to say, on the whole, I think he's done a pretty extraordinary job.

The extraordinary part, is that he has kept his job. How he has managed that I doubt we will ever know.

[Mattyblue]

What is ‘extraordinary’ about Blackburn Rovers being mid table in the second division year after year?

Such mediocrity wasn’t good enough for us in the 80s when we actually didn’t have a pot to piss in, so why is it now deemed ‘extraordinary’ to be consistently about 13th in the Championship with billionaire owners?
 

Edited October 18, 2021 by Mattyblue

[Darrenbot]

1 hour ago, Mike E said:

I'm struggling, racking my brains, trying to work out why Butterworth has disappeared from the first team because it certainly isn't injury or lack of talent.

I reckon he's either slagged of Mrs Mowbray's lemon drizzle or he's got some stupid clause in his contract.

Do we still do those extra fees to agents or former clubs 'after X appearances'?

Could be the Agents,more likely he doesnt like the Drizzle cake.

[JHRover]

Sutton just another on the media bandwagon. Tread the middle ground and be careful as to who you upset. He wouldn't last very long in his line of work if he was out saying managers should be sacked.

Unless he is watching Rovers with regularity, which I very much doubt, then he is no more qualified than any other randomer on the internet, and less quaified than any of us who endure Mowbray's garbage on a regular basis.

[islander200]

14 hours ago, JHRover said:

I'm not sure what your point is re. the first paragraph. Whether they are big players for our future or not is irrelevant to the point I was making, which was that their contractual situations were such that they were effectively academy deals being upgraded to senior deals, not senior deals being extended or improved which is the issue with Lenihan, Nyambe and co.

Discussions were held with Bennett regarding a new deal:
https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2021/may/rovers-confirm-retain-list/

So it was certainly something we were considering or wanting to do, yet off he went to Shrewsbury. I've no issue with that but it is another example of a senior player that the club has tried or considered giving a deal to and not done. Pattern emerging.

There is as much evidence to support what I have said as there is to support what you have said. 

We come at things from different angles. You want to blindly support the party line and believe that good old Rovers are doing things properly, sensibly and that everything they do is correct. I take the polar opposite view - that the place is in crisis, run by liars and incompetents and owners who really shouldn't be here and everything stems from their neglect and mismanagement, and we are just in another phase of mayhem created by them.

You might be right, I don't think you are. Keep on putting FFP spreadsheets up it won't change my opinion. 

My beliefs aren't conspiracy theories anymore than yours are. Infact, on the weight of evidence over the last 10 years I think you are the conspiracy theorist making out that all is well with the world at Rovers when it plainly isn't. I don't trust a word they come out with.

In fairness Bennett turning down a new deal wasn't down to money.He wanted to play regularly and it wasn't going to happen here.

Bell wasn't offered a new deal by the club.

[Darrenbot]

He should stick to winding up Rangers fans on Twitter and stop making uninformed views on ex teams that he hardly sees play.I'm surprised hes actually talking about us for once as he's usually only interested in Norwich or Celtic of his former teams.

[Wheelton Blue]

29 minutes ago, El Tombro said:

It's going to be a colossal waste of time for the club if Mowbray is just allowed to sit there until his contract ends. The thought of having to neither listen to nor see Mowbray as our manager in seven months time gives me a lift. The thought having to endure a pointless seven months of him makes me feel completely flat and unmotivated to watch us.

Exactly how I feel.

[Leonard Venkhater]

2 hours ago, Mike E said:

I'm struggling, racking my brains, trying to work out why Butterworth has disappeared from the first team because it certainly isn't injury or lack of talent.

I reckon he's either slagged of Mrs Mowbray's lemon drizzle or he's got some stupid clause in his contract.

Do we still do those extra fees to agents or former clubs 'after X appearances'?

Wow!

One of our group came up with the same thing on Saturday. 

When we are crying out for goalscorers with BB jet lagged, Dolan struggling with illness and Gallagher, well struggling, why the obvious...er.."reluctance" to play Butterworth?

He came from Man Utd, didn't he? What are you thinking?- £100,000 for 5 first team appearances, £5,000 for 62 touches of he ball?...Maybe, he is already on 59 touches...

[tomphil]

Sutton is clearly mixing up ordinary with extraordinary.

[RevidgeBlue]

44 minutes ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Wow!

One of our group came up with the same thing on Saturday. 

When we are crying out for goalscorers with BB jet lagged, Dolan struggling with illness and Gallagher, well struggling, why the obvious...er.."reluctance" to play Butterworth?

He came from Man Utd, didn't he? What are you thinking?- £100,000 for 5 first team appearances, £5,000 for 62 touches of he ball?...Maybe, he is already on 59 touches...

And yet, if it is true that we we are contributing 10k p.w. towards the completely useless Poveda's wages (as J*B claimed) any payments potentially due to Butterworth or his entourage could surely only be a few week's wages for the dolloper from Leeds?

As someone said in the comments section of my letter on the potential sale of  Brockhall, the whole thing with Butterworth also stinks worse than a tandoori kipper.

Comes on in one of the home games with Khedra, between them they transform it and as a reward Butterworth hasn't had a kick since despite the manager lauding him in the local press.

Man of honour our Tony.

[Bigdoggsteel]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

And yet, if it is true that we we are contributing 10k p.w. towards the completely useless Poveda's wages (as J*B claimed) any payments potentially due to Butterworth or his entourage could surely only be a few week's wages for the dolloper from Leeds?

As someone said in the comments section of my letter on the potential sale of  Brockhall, the whole thing with Butterworth also stinks worse than a tandoori kipper.

Comes on in one of the home games with Khedra, between them they transform it and as a reward Butterworth hasn't had a kick since despite the manager lauding him in the local press.

Man of honour our Tony.

I read some comments from Farke the Norwich manager when asked why Gilmour wasn't playing. He said they aren't there to develop other teams players. Fair play to him. The whole thing about Mowbray building Butterworth up, only to pbring Poveda or Khadra on instead does stink. Butterworth could get injured at training before he even gets a game. He came on in one game I recall and he looked really good. Very direct. 

Edited October 18, 2021 by Bigdoggsteel

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1 hour ago, El Tombro said:

Gallagher has scored 4 goals in 10 appearances. He's not the easiest on the eye but he's scoring at a reasonable rate, especially when he still gets played out wide from time to time. I think struggling is definitely something that could be attributed to him for pretty much most of his time at the club, but not he's not doing badly at the moment.

But.  What I think was meant by"struggling", was that he was un-fit for that game.

Edited October 18, 2021 by rigger

[chaddyrovers]

13 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I read some comments from Frank the Brentford manager when asked why Gilmour wasn't playing

Wasn't it Farke at Norwich since Gilmour is there as on loan

[Bigdoggsteel]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Wasn't it Farke at Norwich since Gilmour is there as on loan

I always mix them up, yes Farke and yes Norwich 😅

Edited October 18, 2021 by Bigdoggsteel

[toogs]

3 hours ago, El Tombro said:

Gallagher has scored 4 goals in 10 appearances. He's not the easiest on the eye but he's scoring at a reasonable rate, especially when he still gets played out wide from time to time. I think struggling is definitely something that could be attributed to him for pretty much most of his time at the club, but not he's not doing badly at the moment.

It was a lovely pass for their goal as well

[simongarnerisgod]

2 hours ago, toogs said:

It was a lovely pass for their goal as well

it was a terrible error and he`s got previous for messing things up in our half.Moral of the story is he should`nt be messing around,tell him to stay near the halfway line to latch on to clearances and press defenders,he`s a liability who should`nt be in a position to give the ball away in the worst area of the pitch,fergie banned cantona from going into midfield  because he could`nt tackle and was a liability,if it`s good enough for him then it`s good enough for gally, mowbray should be telling him that,stay away from the midfield and concentrate on harrasing defenders

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27 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

it was a terrible error and he`s got previous for messing things up in our half.Moral of the story is he should`nt be messing around,tell him to stay near the halfway line to latch on to clearances and press defenders,he`s a liability who should`nt be in a position to give the ball away in the worst area of the pitch,fergie banned cantona from going into midfield  because he could`nt tackle and was a liability,if it`s good enough for him then it`s good enough for gally, mowbray should be telling him that,stay away from the midfield and concentrate on harrasing defenders

The thing is, that Fergie would see a problem and would act on it. Mowbray would not even know there was a problem !

Edited October 18, 2021 by rigger

[simongarnerisgod]

13 minutes ago, rigger said:

The thing is, that Fergie would see a problem and would act on it. Mowbray would not even know there was a problem !

if i can see the problem with gally then surely mowbray and venus can,tony is always babbling on about analysts and data,have they both become so jaded with the job they can`t be bothered anymore????????

[Wheelton Blue]

From his latest LT waffle:

“Formations don’t really matter in modern day football, when the game is so condensed from front to book or side to side, it doesn’t matter whether you have two in midfield or three in midfield, you watch the top teams play, when they’re defending everyone is behind the ball, when they’re attacking they’re attacking six, seven players and the best teams have that.

Why does he constantly mess about with formations then, if they supposedly don't matter?

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12 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

if i can see the problem with gally then surely mowbray and venus can,tony is always babbling on about analysts and data,have they both become so jaded with the job they can`t be bothered anymore????????

It certainly looks like it.

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14 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

From his latest LT waffle:

“Formations don’t really matter in modern day football, when the game is so condensed from front to book or side to side, it doesn’t matter whether you have two in midfield or three in midfield, you watch the top teams play, when they’re defending everyone is behind the ball, when they’re attacking they’re attacking six, seven players and the best teams have that.

Why does he constantly mess about with formations then, if they supposedly don't matter?

Formations don't matter, except to every other football team in the world. It is not even just waffle anymore, it's utter bollocks.