Tony Mowbray Discussion

[davulsukur]

More frustrating than last night's appalling effort is the complete inaction by our owners today.

[CambridgeRover]

58 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Which youngsters are you referring to? Lenihan was a poor midfielder prior to Mowbray coming in, now he is captain.

What you meant to say was "Lenihan was a poor midfielder prior to Mowbray coming in, now he is a poor defender."

[JHRover]

I keep coming back in my head to just how ridiculous this whole scenario is.

February 2017 - facing likely relegation they finally sack Owen Coyle - he should never have been allowed anywhere near Ewood yet he got the job before far stronger and more suitable candidates for reasons unknown. He was then left to wreak havoc for 8 months, condemning us to League One when a blind man could see in August/September where we were headed. Thanks Venkys.

In comes Mowbray. How, why, who knows. A bizarre appointment in itself given his history. A bloke who had been on the scrapheap for 6 months after leaving crisis club Coventry City facing certain relegation to the 4th division, who hadn't worked in the Championship or equivalent/higher for 4 years since being sacked by Middlesbrough yet in he comes. Reports that he was a contender for the Chesterfield job yet was overlooked in favour of Gary Caldwell. Yikes.

By virtue of the fact he wasn't Coyle and had some degree of managerial ability there was the inevitable upturn in results and improvement in atmosphere and through that, despite relegation, he was afforded respect and admiration from most people who were willing to allow him a proper shot at it in League One.

Here we are, 3.5 years later, he's still plodding along. He isn't a good manager, never has been, yet some would have us think he is absolutely indispensable to the club.

Just what does it take to sack him?

He's wasted millions of their money with little to show for it

He's failed to get us even in serious contention for the top 6 let alone promotion.

He's taken us on one of the worst runs of form in our history and has now lead us to our worst defeat.

What hope do we have?

I think the worst part of this is that this sub-par managers, whether it be Kean, Coyle or Mowbray - people who really shouldn't have even got an interview to manage this great club - are in situ for years, able to deliver any performance imaginable and it matters not one jot. Talk about landing on his feet. From being unemployable at Chesterfield to unsackable at Blackburn Rovers. It really leaves a sickening taste in the mouth.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I keep coming back in my head to just how ridiculous this whole scenario is.

February 2017 - facing likely relegation they finally sack Owen Coyle - he should never have been allowed anywhere near Ewood yet he got the job before far stronger and more suitable candidates for reasons unknown. He was then left to wreak havoc for 8 months, condemning us to League One when a blind man could see in August/September where we were headed. Thanks Venkys.

In comes Mowbray. How, why, who knows. A bizarre appointment in itself given his history. A bloke who had been on the scrapheap for 6 months after leaving crisis club Coventry City facing certain relegation to the 4th division, who hadn't worked in the Championship or equivalent/higher for 4 years since being sacked by Middlesbrough yet in he comes. Reports that he was a contender for the Chesterfield job yet was overlooked in favour of Gary Caldwell. Yikes.

By virtue of the fact he wasn't Coyle and had some degree of managerial ability there was the inevitable upturn in results and improvement in atmosphere and through that, despite relegation, he was afforded respect and admiration from most people who were willing to allow him a proper shot at it in League One.

Here we are, 3.5 years later, he's still plodding along. He isn't a good manager, never has been, yet some would have us think he is absolutely indispensable to the club.

Just what does it take to sack him?

He's wasted millions of their money with little to show for it

He's failed to get us even in serious contention for the top 6 let alone promotion.

He's taken us on one of the worst runs of form in our history and has now lead us to our worst defeat.

What hope do we have?

I think the worst part of this is that this sub-par managers, whether it be Kean, Coyle or Mowbray - people who really shouldn't have even got an interview to manage this great club - are in situ for years, able to deliver any performance imaginable and it matters not one jot. Talk about landing on his feet. From being unemployable at Chesterfield to unsackable at Blackburn Rovers. It really leaves a sickening taste in the mouth.

 

Great Post JH.

[SuperBrfc]

Why was it so difficult for Mowbray to say something along the following lines last night:

"I just want to apologise to the fans for the result tonight. Going down to 10 men made our task difficult, but we weren't good enough on the night and Fulham had the quality to punish us. We're all hurting right now but we will be doing all we can to put things right on Saturday".

You'd expect something like the above from any decent manager.

The lack of an apology, the shrugging of the shoulders and the arrogance has only increased the anger that I feel.

He can't use the "young lads, don't want to throw them under the bus" excuse, when he's gone and said "this is going to be on their CV forever".

Honestly, he was a terrible manager, but Owen Coyle showed more respect for our club and fans than Mowbray has done.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

but Mowbray isn't the problem.

Mowbray is the current problem. He has been backed to the hilt by the owners in terms of transfer fees, loan fees and wages..

And he still employed these crap tactics like last night. He cost us the game before it started. No more excuses for him. His post match comments was pathetic and I still angry that the manager hasn't apologise or resigned after last night pathetic performance 

[chaddyrovers]

5 hours ago, Butty said:

Wishful thinking Chaddy. He’s not going anywhere. 

Very much looks that way. 

[jim mk2]

First question by a journalist with his Rovers nose to the ground after last night's match should have been

Well, Tony. That was the worst home defeat in the club's history - are you considering resigning?

After the denial the second question should have been

Rovers fans will be feeling dejected and humiliated tonight. Are you going to apologise to them?

 

[RoversClitheroe]

If I were a player I'd be kicking off big time and begging to leave in January. 

Yet it's because of the Venkys we are underperforming? 

Come on people Venkys might be why we're in the championship but they're certainly not the reason we're so shit under this manager.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

And to think we never witnessed a defeat like that at Ewood even under King Rat Kean.

Is he still here?

[Waggy76]

10 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

If I were a player I'd be kicking off big time and begging to leave in January. 

Yet it's because of the Venkys we are underperforming? 

Come on people Venkys might be why we're in the championship but they're certainly not the reason we're so shit under this manager.

I Suspect most of the players want to leave for differing reasons  , who can blame them ?

[roversfan99]

38 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Mowbray is the current problem. He has been backed to the hilt by the owners in terms of transfer fees, loan fees and wages..

And he still employed these crap tactics like last night. He cost us the game before it started. No more excuses for him. His post match comments was pathetic and I still angry that the manager hasn't apologise or resigned after last night pathetic performance 

He is not the current problem, Venkys are, have always been and always will be. A problem? Obviously. Not THE main one.

Mowbray is a symptom, he should have been long since sacked. Why has he not? Because the owners do not give a shit!

Backed to the hilt is an exaggeration, but we will never overachieve and properly progress under him, he has long since outstayed his welcome. 

 

5 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

If I were a player I'd be kicking off big time and begging to leave in January. 

Yet it's because of the Venkys we are underperforming? 

Come on people Venkys might be why we're in the championship but they're certainly not the reason we're so shit under this manager.

How has the penny not dropped yet?!

Firstly, "so shit" is hyperbolic, aside from last night when it isn't strong enough. We are bog standard, average, stagnant, regressive. But why is this manager still here, with no threat as to his future? Because of Venkys, so yes it is down to them that we are underperforming, as we have been for 11 horrendous years.

[jim mk2]

I wouldn't normally say this because the manager has ultimate responsibility but the players were just as pathetic last night.

Apart from one or two, most of them showed very little pride or fight - and for a professional footballer, that is completely unacceptable

Where were the leaders rallying the troops to keep the heads up and battle to the end? All we have is a team of shrinking violets. 

No professional team should lose 7-0, especially at home

If he had anything about him, Mowbray should be reading the riot act today 

Edited November 4, 2021 by jim mk2

[Bbrovers2288]

Last night has got me thinking and I’m very much at a crossroads with my support of rovers, and I guess have been for a good few seasons. Can I honestly say I care about rovers like I used to, i genuinely can’t. Losses to hurt as much, but wins aren’t enjoyed as much either. It’s a football apathy that doesn’t sit well with me. For years Iv said a new manager would ignite these feelings, then Iv thought if we get into the premier league , but the premier league is a different one to the one we left, there is more and more money teams that even if we did go up, would I enjoy seeing us being so far behind and never likely to flirt with the top half again. I think it might make me feel worse. I can’t say I enjoy the premier league anymore, I don’t watch match of the day these days which used to be a Saturday night staple. 
I don’t think my support for rovers will ever be what it was, and that just makes me sad. The damage has been going on for too long and there is only so much you can take before you need to detach a little.

I will always support the club, that’s never in doubt. Just not with passion 

still would like mowbray gone , just for a change if nothing else. I remember watching a nature program where it showed kamodo dragons hunting, they would basically bite the animal with poison then stalk it as it got weaker and weaker before weeks down the line it finally succumbed to the enevitable. Mowbrays tenure reminds me of that long drawn painful process 

[dallydally]

1 hour ago, jim mk2 said:

I wouldn't normally say this because the manager has ultimate responsibility but the players were just as pathetic last night.

Apart from one or two, most of them showed very little pride or fight - and for a professional footballer, that is completely unacceptable

Where were the leaders rallying the troops to keep the heads up and battle to the end? All we have is a team of shrinking violets. 

No professional team should lose 7-0, especially at home

If he had anything about him, Mowbray should be reading the riot act today 

But he won't because players have to be "handled carefully and not offended". Overpaid Prima Donnas is what they are and despite saying the opposite they don't give a stuff about supporters feelings, just their considerable pay cheques which are still issued even when you get stuffed 7 nil! 😤😤😤

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

He is not the current problem, Venkys are, have always been and always will be. A problem? Obviously. Not THE main one.

Mowbray is a symptom, he should have been long since sacked. Why has he not? Because the owners do not give a shit!

Backed to the hilt is an exaggeration, but we will never overachieve and properly progress under him, he has long since outstayed his welcome. 

Mowbray IS the current problem and has been for months. 

He hasn't be sacked cos in my opinion cos he has been up a trusted relationship with them and thats why. 

He has been financially backed for the past 3 seasons before this one. He has over 16 million pounds in transfers fees, plus loan fees for players like Reed, Elliott and Tosin. Then the wage bill he has been allowed to run with each season like having a wage bill at 189% compare to turnover. Then he moans about his lack of budget this summer but any normal footballing manager would have known that his budget this summer would be smaller and he can't moan or complain cos he has been more than backed by the club and owners. 

I don't see promotion or even top 6 has over achieving at all given the budget he has had and time to build a squad. So why hasn't he build a top 6 squad? cos his transfers haven't improve the squad and his tactical approach isn't working anymore. 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, jim mk2 said:

Apart from one or two, most of them showed very little pride or fight

For me its was only Brereton and Travis who continue to fight and show some pride. 

[rigger]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Mowbray is the current problem. He has been backed to the hilt by the owners in terms of transfer fees, loan fees and wages..

And he still employed these crap tactics like last night. He cost us the game before it started. No more excuses for him. His post match comments was pathetic and I still angry that the manager hasn't apologise or resigned after last night pathetic performance 

Critisising Mowbray, have a day off. Do these words ring a bell.

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, rigger said:

Critisising Mowbray, have a day off. Do these words ring a bell.

Wait a second tho Rigger, I don't criticise Mowbray every single day tho. but after witness that shambolic performance last night and stay until the end of the game, I am very angry and annoyed at his lack of apology from himself and the players. Or even the club making a statement this morning to apology to every single Rovers supporter who attend last night game, quickly followed by a Mowbray sacking statement. 

I have throughout his reign criticise his signings like the failure to bring in a quality centre back in our first season back in the championship after promotion.  

Edited November 4, 2021 by chaddyrovers

[rigger]

5 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Wait a second tho Rigger, I don't criticise Mowbray every single day tho. but after witness that shambolic performance last night and stay until the end of the game, I am very angry and annoyed at his lack of apology from himself and the players. Or even the club making a statement this morning to apology to every single Rovers supporter who attend last night game, quickly followed by a Mowbray sacking statement. 

I have throughout his reign criticise his signings like the failure to bring in a quality centre back in our first season back in the championship after promotion.  

I have criticised Mowbray on most days, and I will continue to do so. He is not just a bad manager on some days. To me, he has always been, and always will be a poor manager.

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, rigger said:

I have criticised Mowbray on most days, and I will continue to do so. He is not just a bad manager on some days. To me, he has always been, and always will be a poor manager.

I don't think he is bad or poor manager but Rovers as a club need a new manager approach who has a different tactical approach and fresh ideas, plus a new coaching staff and can have the players who can adapt to a couple of different formations easily 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

The way he allowed Wigan to walk away with the Championship told me all I needed to know. That and all the talk about bringing in new signings to “ help out “ the existing players. The guy has no ambition apart from drawing next months pay cheque. I’d have fired him then.

[tomphil]

I actually felt sorry for most of the players last night everything that could go wrong did. They were exposed as being out of their depth and lead by a chump not a leader.

TM couldn't do anything about the bad defending or clumsy tackle but we were all wrong before that. This is where real nous comes in from better managers knowing how to set up against real quality. And knowing what to do when it's going wrong.

Time and time again against the better sides Mowbrays teams have come up short. I expected to lose comfortably anyway but that was a shocker. 

 

Edited November 4, 2021 by tomphil

[rigger]

35 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I don't think he is bad or poor manager but Rovers as a club need a new manager approach who has a different tactical approach and fresh ideas, plus a new coaching staff and can have the players who can adapt to a couple of different formations easily 

Say no more.

[Mercer]

On 24/10/2021 at 15:19, Mercer said:

 

I think the next Rovers' manager, and sooner than some on here think, will be either Wilder or Neill with reports of both having attended recent Rovers' games.  I understand both have support in the Rovers' hierarchy and are not unknown to them!

I stand by this.

Head on the block - doubt even a win on Saturday will be enough to save Mowbray.

Sadly, I don't think he should ever have been appointed and, IMO, his departure will be at least four and a half years too late.  

Edited November 4, 2021 by Mercer