Tony Mowbray Discussion

[SuperBrfc]

16 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

They’re expecting Rothwell and Nyambe to sign but Lenihan has turned down a BIG offer and thinks he’ll get a Prem club…SW said anyone who hasn’t signed before Xmas will be sold and replacements are lined up plus pre contracts abroad and in Scotland.

Thanks for the info, Paul. I'm honestly not that bothered about Lenihan leaving. I've wanted him to be replaced for a long time by a proper centre back. It would be good if the other two sign up. Let's see what happens.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

21 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

They’re expecting Rothwell and Nyambe to sign but Lenihan has turned down a BIG offer and thinks he’ll get a Prem club…SW said anyone who hasn’t signed before Xmas will be sold and replacements are lined up plus pre contracts abroad and in Scotland.

Mm, I think Lenihan might be disappointed. He’s not Prem standard in my book.

[Paul Mani]

3 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Mm, I think Lenihan might be disappointed. He’s not Prem standard in my book.

SW said he’d told Lenihan the same. Asked all three if they felt they’d get into Fulham’s team…intimated that none of them would before pointing out that as good as Fulham are in the championship they’ll get hammered in the Prem….says the players (Rothwell & Nyambe) want to sign but the agents are deluded.

[Paul Mani]

8 minutes ago, SuperBrfc said:

Thanks for the info, Paul. I'm honestly not that bothered about Lenihan leaving. I've wanted him to be replaced for a long time by a proper centre back. It would be good if the other two sign up. Let's see what happens.

I don’t think SW is either!! 🙈…..though he said the offer to him was “very good”. Said no one would be leaving on a free and we’d be selling any who hadn’t signed.

[Paul Mani]

Was raving about Buckley but then everyone in there was raving about him…he outshone every other midfielder on the park today, including Fleck and Norwood!

[matt83]

If it transpires a heavy defeat would have spelt the end of Mowbray then any positivity I feel towards the win has now evaporated. 

Considering Mowbray inherited Williams, mulgrew, lenihan and nyambe as a back 4 and the palaver of ‘defenders are coming’ every bloody window and him still not really improving what Owen bloody coyle left I find it laughable swag reckons they will just replace lenihan and nyambe in spite their delusions of grandeur.

As for Mowbray not taking training it’s no surprise then that was one of the better performances. Next stop Mowbray not taking training and not picking the team which just leaves his sparkling personality to do press conferences. 

[simongarnerisgod]

41 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

They’re expecting Rothwell and Nyambe to sign but Lenihan has turned down a BIG offer and thinks he’ll get a Prem club…SW said anyone who hasn’t signed before Xmas will be sold and replacements are lined up plus pre contracts abroad and in Scotland.

thats fair enough,if lenihan somehow gets a premier league club,he`ll spend the time not playing because he`s not good enough to play at the top level

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, matt83 said:

If it transpires a heavy defeat would have spelt the end of Mowbray then any positivity I feel towards the win has now evaporated. 

Considering Mowbray inherited Williams, mulgrew, lenihan and nyambe as a back 4 and the palaver of ‘defenders are coming’ every bloody window and him still not really improving what Owen bloody coyle left I find it laughable swag reckons they will just replace lenihan and nyambe in spite their delusions of grandeur.

As for Mowbray not taking training it’s no surprise then that was one of the better performances. Next stop Mowbray not taking training and not picking the team which just leaves his sparkling personality to do press conferences. 

He was interviewed briefly on Radio Lancashire at about 5-55. You’d have though we’d just lost 3-1. He’d talk a glass eye to sleep.

[toogs]

I see Farke has been sacked after a win for Norwich. 
 

If Rovers did that, the media would tear us a new one. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Just now, simongarnerisgod said:

thats fair enough,if lenihan somehow gets a premier league club,he`ll spend the time not playing because he`s not good enough to play at the top level

Like Kipre signing for West Brom.

[Displaced Rover]

Why do people buy all this shit about people talking to Waggott?

The CEO isn’t going around telling people that he’s about to fire the manager if we don’t win.

There’s also less than zero chance that Rothwell stays. He’s clearly going to Rangers.

Dunno why people lap up these “ITKs” I can’t remember any recently on here that turned out to be correct.

[Paul Mani]

6 minutes ago, Displaced Rover said:

Why do people buy all this shit about people talking to Waggott?

The CEO isn’t going around telling people that he’s about to fire the manager if we don’t win.

There’s also less than zero chance that Rothwell stays. He’s clearly going to Rangers.

Dunno why people lap up these “ITKs” I can’t remember any recently on here that turned out to be correct.

Yeah, I’ll hold my hands up, I’m 40yrs old, married, 2 nearly 3 kids, own and run a business which employs 700 people and I made all that up, because I’ve nothing better to do with my time 👍🏼

Edited November 6, 2021 by Paul Mani

[Bad Boy]

1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

They’re expecting Rothwell and Nyambe to sign but Lenihan has turned down a BIG offer and thinks he’ll get a Prem club…SW said anyone who hasn’t signed before Xmas will be sold and replacements are lined up plus pre contracts abroad and in Scotland.

I was told similar a few weeks ago.  Nyambe and Rothwell want out (agent lead); Lenihan was expected to sign but in the last 6 weeks he has changed and wants out.  Rovers are determined to let them go in January so we are able to get some income from them.

[roversfan99]

If it is true that Waggott is going around telling random fans outside the ground that the manager's job is on the line, I would suggest that doing so is incredibly unprofessional.

I very much doubt that Mowbray's job is indeed on the line sadly, I suppose logic and Venkys dont go hand in hand but why would they sack him when we are 7th when they didn't at the end of a season when we finished 15th.

[Bad Boy]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

If it is true that Waggott is going around telling random fans outside the ground that the manager's job is on the line, I would suggest that doing so is incredibly unprofessional.

I very much doubt that Mowbray's job is indeed on the line sadly, I suppose logic and Venkys dont go hand in hand but why would they sack him when we are 7th when they didn't at the end of a season when we finished 15th.

It is common knowledge in the Club that Tony is going at the end of this season.

[Mattyblue]

It’s generally in the Premier Suite that Waggott does the rounds, I imagine he wouldn’t divulge the juicy info to the great unwashed outside.

Edited November 6, 2021 by Mattyblue

[roversfan99]

Just now, Bad Boy said:

It is common knowledge in the Club that Tony is going at the end of this season.

What if we somehow went up?

[TruRover]

2 minutes ago, Bad Boy said:

I was told similar a few weeks ago.  Nyambe and Rothwell want out (agent lead); Lenihan was expected to sign but in the last 6 weeks he has changed and wants out.  Rovers are determined to let them go in January so we are able to get some income from them.

I’ll be shocked if Nymabe and Rothwell sign - the writing has been on the wall for a while.

Always thought Lenihan would resign mainly because I don’t think he is that great. Wouldn’t be distraught if he left but would need replacing.

Nymabe and Rothwell are more important players imo.

[Blue blood]

9 minutes ago, TruRover said:

I’ll be shocked if Nymabe and Rothwell sign - the writing has been on the wall for a while.

Always thought Lenihan would resign mainly because I don’t think he is that great. Wouldn’t be distraught if he left but would need replacing.

Nymabe and Rothwell are more important players imo.

Agree. Also given Wharton coming back whilst we would be short there at least there are some players (not enough but some) to fill in at cb. RB & Rothwell - no one in the squad to replace them, and imo trickier players to replace too. 

[1864roverite]

36 minutes ago, Displaced Rover said:

Why do people buy all this shit about people talking to Waggott?

The CEO isn’t going around telling people that he’s about to fire the manager if we don’t win.

There’s also less than zero chance that Rothwell stays. He’s clearly going to Rangers.

Dunno why people lap up these “ITKs” I can’t remember any recently on here that turned out to be correct.

If you get the chance for a 1 on 1 with him find out for yourself!

[chaddyrovers]

21 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

If it is true that Waggott is going around telling random fans outside the ground that the manager's job is on the line, I would suggest that doing so is incredibly unprofessional.

I very much doubt that Mowbray's job is indeed on the line sadly, I suppose logic and Venkys dont go hand in hand but why would they sack him when we are 7th when they didn't at the end of a season when we finished 15th.

Why would Paul lie?

Maybe @Paul Maniwill tell you where he sits at Ewood. But I guess it's near Waggott. 

[Displaced Rover]

52 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

Yeah, I’ll hold my hands up, I’m 40yrs old, married, 2 nearly 3 kids, own and run a business which employs 700 people and I made all that up, because I’ve nothing better to do with my time 👍🏼

Well we’ll see with the passing of time won’t we 👍

Not seen many recently that have “come in”.

[DE.]

As far as Mowbray is concerned he is obviously doing some things right, or we wouldn't be 7th, we'd be scrapping at the bottom. I don't think TM is useless or completely inept, he just has some deeply-ingrained flaws which stop his teams from overachieving. We have a somewhat solid base which is repeatedly derailed by the same cracks in the foundation.

Top of this list is the constant worrying about the opposition and weakening our own team in misguided attempts to combat the supposed threats of the team we're facing. TM doesn't have enough confidence in his own team and style to just leave it be and let the opposition worry about us. He overthinks things which causes us to lose consistency, especially when we're hovering near the top six positions. 

Secondly I think he struggles to adapt if things are going against us during matches. Today we came back from behind to win, but that's a rare occurance. Normally if we go behind we struggle to get ourselves back into the game. We saw midweek against Fulham that the manager was simply unable to handle the increasingly worsening situation on the pitch, and couldn't even make obvious decisions like get everybody behind the ball and engage in some damage limitation. When things are going our way and we're looking confident it's fine, because he doesn't need to change anything. Even today it's not like we changed anything. Sheff Utd's early goal wasn't because they were set up better than us, it was just one of those things that sometimes happens at the beginning of a match. Overall we were still set up better than them and by the end that was unquestionably proven to be the case. TM's inability to influence matches during the game itself is very reminiscent of Gary Bowyer, and was also one of his biggest weaknesses.

Thirdly, and maybe somewhat related to the above, he doesn't seem to have an answer when it comes to the team losing form. The infamous 'death spirals'. If we lose a couple on the spin we know it's going to be a while before our next win. He eventually finds a way to get us back on track, but usually too late. He just doesn't identify the reasons for our loss in form quickly enough, which means by the time we've started picking up form again we've lost a significant amount of points. Too many to mount any kind of playoff push. It often seems like rather than solve the issue, he simply stumbles upon a solution either through a random team selection or by coming up against a team even worse than us, gaining a win which boosts confidence and masks the underlying issues for a while longer. Although I admit that it may be a little harsh to put this down to luck, but whether it's by luck or design, it takes too long to arrest our poor runs of form. 

I'd say those are his three biggest flaws and the main reason we struggle to overachieve with him at the helm. It's not that he's doing everything wrong, or arguably even a lot wrong, he just has some major flaws which he is either unable or unwilling to improve. Regardless of all of the above he does seem to be able to keep the players onside, which is arguably one of the most important traits a manager can have. Losing the dressing room is the kiss of death for the majority of managers and this never seems to happen with TM, even when we're on a horrendous run it eventually turns around, even if too little too late. 

Is Mowbray a bad manager? For Rovers, probably not. He's just an average manager who is unlikely to improve himself enough to be able to get us to overachieve to the point where we'll finish in the playoff positions. The fact remains that if we have ambitions to get into the playoffs (and with the division as poor as it is there is no reason we shouldn't have that ambition) we need a manager who can impart a proper winning mentality and improve the areas where our current manager is weak. Do Venky's have it in them to find that person? I doubt it. 11 years so far and no sight of a genuine winner in the dugout. Yet at the same time keeping Mowbray means we stay mid-table at best, and that surely can't be the height of our ambition as a club. 

Edited November 6, 2021 by DE.

[Displaced Rover]

49 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

It’s generally in the Premier Suite that Waggott does the rounds, I imagine he wouldn’t divulge the juicy info to the great unwashed outside.

I don’t frequently go in the Premier Suite at Rovers. I’ve been in at the invitation of clients on a couple of occasions but I don’t really enjoy watching my club in that way.

I’ve spent plenty of time watching Spurs in corporate hospitality during my time in London, and I can honestly say Daniel Levy never did the rounds to tell us whether he was planning on binning the manager….

 

[Bigdoggsteel]

54 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

If it is true that Waggott is going around telling random fans outside the ground that the manager's job is on the line, I would suggest that doing so is incredibly unprofessional.

I very much doubt that Mowbray's job is indeed on the line sadly, I suppose logic and Venkys dont go hand in hand but why would they sack him when we are 7th when they didn't at the end of a season when we finished 15th.

You know how these things go. It could be made up OR a fan could have said what if we lose 20 games in a row, or is there no way he could be sacked and Waggott could have said "well nobodys job is 100%" safe and all of a sudden the word going around is Mowbrays job is on the line. 

Why would they sack him now and not last sacked him last season?