Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Mike E]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Won't both actually want a break from football?.

Plus Farke can probably get a Job in the Bundesliga now and isn't he more like a head coach type anyway?

I get a feeling we're heading in that direction, esp with all the chat about Wilder (also head coach) recently. I actually wonder if Smith fits that model too?

[Wheelton Blue]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Won't both actually want a break from football?.

Plus Farke can probably get a Job in the Bundesliga now and isn't he more like a head coach type anyway?.

 

Who knows? The point is that they are unemployed and we should be sounding guys like this out as they are clearly an improvement on what we have.

Whatever the difference is, does it even matter whether someone is/was a 'head coach' or a 'manager'?

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, Mike E said:

I get a feeling we're heading in that direction, esp with all the chat about Wilder (also head coach) recently. I actually wonder if Smith fits that model too?

Wilder has been appointed manager by Boro. Not Head coach..

Dean Smith was Head coach at Villa and Brentford with Sporting Director in place. Dean Smih would be excellent choice to replace Mowbray with when that's happens. But I think he will take a few weeks holiday to recoup and rejuvenate himself 

5 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Who knows? The point is that they are unemployed and we should be sounding guys like this out as they are clearly an improvement on what we have.

Whatever the difference is, does it even matter whether someone is/was a 'head coach' or a 'manager'?

They will want a proper break from football I would guess. 

There is a difference between head coach and manager. 

[Wheelton Blue]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

There is a difference between head coach and manager. 

Which is?

[RevidgeBlue]

18 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Won't both actually want a break from football?.

Plus Farke can probably get a Job in the Bundesliga now and isn't he more like a head coach type anyway?.

 

I thought you favoured the head coach with a DOF model.

Seem to recall you mentioning it once or twice!

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Which is?

There are key differences between the roles. A manager has complete control over his staff, transfers and player contracts unless, of course, they’re working under a meddling owner. While a head coach just trains and picks the team, with the owner or director of football taking the pressure off them by dealing with the rest.

Pochettino once explained: “If you are the manager, you decide many things about the club. But if you are a head coach, your responsibility is to play better, try to improve the players and to get positive results.

“At Southampton, I was a manager. My responsibility was not only to coach the team. With Tottenham, I am a head coach.  A head coach is head of your department. My department is to train the team.”

[Wheelton Blue]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

There are key differences between the roles. A manager has complete control over his staff, transfers and player contracts unless, of course, they’re working under a meddling owner. While a head coach just trains and picks the team, with the owner or director of football taking the pressure off them by dealing with the rest.

Pochettino once explained: “If you are the manager, you decide many things about the club. But if you are a head coach, your responsibility is to play better, try to improve the players and to get positive results.

“At Southampton, I was a manager. My responsibility was not only to coach the team. With Tottenham, I am a head coach.  A head coach is head of your department. My department is to train the team.”

So what's your point?

[simongarnerisgod]

tony is`nt going anywhere until he himself decides he`s had enough or his pension is big enough,smith,farke and everyone else will already have a job by then,our new manager is a mystery that will never be solved until they turn up for the press conference,it could be absolutely anybody

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, Gav said:

I agree with you.

You also need to factor in they’ll only deal with certain agencies and the pool of candidates reduces even further.

What a way to run a football club.

Yet we found Mowbray who you apparently seem to rate so highly when we were in a far worse position in the table 

If we're still fishing in the HSH pond I wouldn't mind Mark Robins at all.

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I thought you favoured the head coach with a DOF model.

Seem to recall you mentioning it once or twice!

If we appoint a proper Sporting Director yes I am in favour of it. But not if we aren't 

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

So what's your point?

???

[Wheelton Blue]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

???

You said that Farke was a Head Coach.

Why does that matter?

[arbitro]

5 hours ago, Spartakfenni said:

One trick pony who’ll be found out just like Warnock, Houghton, McCarthy, we should be aiming higher for next summers replacement.

In fairness the three you mention have had six promotions to the Premier League. In the thirty years of the PL that means that the three are responsible for 20% of the promotions. I accept that they aren't everybody's cup of tea but their records are there to be seen.

[chaddyrovers]

6 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

You said that Farke was a Head Coach.

Why does that matter?

Which he is head coach and was picked by Norwich Sporting Director Stuart Webber for the job.

[neophox]

Maybe they will make Mowbray Sport director and approach Dean Smith as head coach.

[Mercer]

1 minute ago, neophox said:

Maybe they will make Mowbray Sport director and approach Dean Smith as head coach.

I couldn't think of anything worse than Mowbray in that role.

I do not think he can offer anything further to our football club.

We need nous, ambition, vision, drive, personality and first rate communication skills - everything, IMO, Mowbray lacks.

[tomphil]

TM gets referred to as head coach these days by some local journos.

[matt83]

If only he was referred to as former head coach.

[Gav]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Mowbray who you apparently seem to rate so highly.

If that’s the conclusion you’ve come to from reading my posts on Mowbray, I’ll draw you a picture next time.

Its your mates in Pune that are the problem, you don’t want to hear it, they’ll never come good despite your cheerleading. 

[davulsukur]

Mowbray's tenure summed up in a week:

The old adage "it could have been 5 or 6, we were that bad" has been trotted out many a time under Mowbray, only this time Fulham put us to the sword in emphatic fashion, with us being truly woeful.

Fast forward just 3 days and we are putting in a great performance and winning, against a newly relegated team, which our manager constantly tells us we can't compete with.

As always, the truth lies somewhere in the middle and no doubts that's where Mowbray has us heading. Not consistent enough to mount a serious challenge for a top 6 place and always prone to some seriously horrific performances which throw the managers ability into question.

As bad as Wednesday was and as good as yesterday was, ultimately, we'll just end up somewhere in the middle. 12th (ish) and that's all it ever will be under Tony.

The only question is, how ambitious are Venkys? If their aim is to get back into the premier League, they are going to have to ditch this ridiculous HSH managerial list and actually appoint someone decent. 

If the aim is to plod around the middle of the championship, then we might as well keep Mowbray in place forever.

We might as well turn the lights off now if the answer is the second one.

[Paul Mellelieu]

I was very angry after Wednesday, but I wonder if it was freak result.  How may times have we been hammered under Mowbray's tenure?

[DE.]

1 minute ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

I was very angry after Wednesday, but I wonder if it was freak result.  How may times have we been hammered under Mowbray's tenure?

It was definitely a freak result. Part of the reason it was so shocking is because we so rarely lose by huge margins under this manager. The most aggrevating thing from my perspective was his inability to react to what was happening. Mowbray has been in the game long enough to know that when things are going that badly you move into damage limitation and see the game out at a respectable score. I can't understand why he let us get humiliated like that without even trying to shore up.

[Spartakfenni]

3 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Could/should have gone for Wilder. Farke is available, as is now Smith.

Farke is up and down like a whore’s draws. Do you believe that IF he can get us promoted he’ll keep us up. If I’d been a Norwich supporter I’d not have bought season tickets for the premiership years. Watching certain relegation is soul destroying. We should have gone for the likes of Cooper, Potter, Critchley. They seem to have something about them. 

[Mike E]

4 minutes ago, Spartakfenni said:

Farke is up and down like a whore’s draws. Do you believe that IF he can get us promoted he’ll keep us up. If I’d been a Norwich supporter I’d not have bought season tickets for the premiership years. Watching certain relegation is soul destroying. We should have gone for the likes of Cooper, Potter, Critchley. They seem to have something about them. 

Yoyoing between PL and Champ is better than yoyoing between 15th and 11th tbf.

[Spartakfenni]

1 minute ago, Mike E said:

Yoyoing between PL and Champ is better than yoyoing between 15th and 11th tbf.

One glory season followed by the depths of depression, no I have higher aspirations. To me I want to see steady progress like the Brentford model. In the end missing promotion for a couple of seasons and losing the parachute payment destroys a club.