Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Miker]

35 minutes ago, Mike E said:

He told us to confront each other and tell each other to shut up if we're negative.

Negative or abusive?

[Wheelton Blue]

10 hours ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

They’re missing Raya.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Either way, they're slipping.

[Mike E]

24 minutes ago, Miker said:

Negative or abusive?

Based on his definition of abuse: Criticising his managerial skills = vitriolic abuse of players.

So 'negative'.

[Wheelton Blue]

47 minutes ago, Spartakfenni said:

As a season ticket holder for the last 40 years I’ve long memories of seasons with long runs of defeats, and being on Ewood in the 1960’s when the whole of the crowd chanted sack the board. So yes I DO remember last season’s defeats.

Agreed, one of the best in the league and surely destined to make the Span squad.

The model has been in place from their League 1 days under Mark Warburton. Their owner uses the moneyball methodology ffs.

Irrespective of what the moneyball means and how Brentford apply it, its brought them no more success than Norwich, Sheff Utd.....

At the end of the day, for a club to be successful, whether using moneyball or otherwise, it needs a good manager (sorry head coach), which we don't have.

[47er]

1 hour ago, Wheelton Blue said:

He got them promoted to the PL and kept them there for 2 seasons.

I'd take that every time over our current outlook.

I’m not arguing with you! Just pointing out what I read.

[booth]

13 hours ago, Spartakfenni said:

Farke is up and down like a whore’s draws. Do you believe that IF he can get us promoted he’ll keep us up. If I’d been a Norwich supporter I’d not have bought season tickets for the premiership years. Watching certain relegation is soul destroying. We should have gone for the likes of Cooper, Potter, Critchley. They seem to have something about them. 

I don't care about him keeping us up, all I care about is getting the debt paid off making the club more desirable to new ownership. If the debt keeps mounting up and Venkys decide they are fed up with their "baby" then what then?

[Sparks Rover]

50 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Irrespective of what the moneyball means and how Brentford apply it, its brought them no more success than Norwich, Sheff Utd......

It has.  They've made close to 100m by selling unknowns like Watkins, Maupay, Benrhama and are in the Premier league irrespective of that.  Toney will be sold for a further £30m profit and if they stay up this season the owners 100m investment over 10 years (which isn't a lot) will turn into 300m....they have a good chance of staying up

The other 2 are nowhere near this position.

Edited November 8, 2021 by Sparks Rover

[Wheelton Blue]

2 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

It has.  They've made close to 100m by selling unknowns like Watkins, Maupay, Benrhama and are in the Premier league irrespective of that.  Toney will be sold for a further £30m profit and if they stay up this season the owners 100m investment over 10 years (which isn't a lot) will turn into 300m....they have a good chance of staying up

The other 2 are nowhere near this position.

And how much money have Norwich made in 3 seasons yo-yo'ing? 2 lots of promotion money, 2 lots of PL money, 2 lots of parachute money...

Anyway, I'll qualify my comment. It's brought them no more on field success than Norwich or Sheff U.

The point I'm trying to make, though, is that this moneyball thing isn't the be all and end all. It's merely one way of running a club, and one way to possibly become successful. The 2 other clubs I mention have been successful via a different approach. As have Burnley, for that matter.

[Ben Frost]

23 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

You are right, and I’m not going to turn down gossip, glad that he had your ear, it’s what makes the football world turn, but it speaks volumes of the calibre of Exec we now have.

To be fair John Williams was exactly the same. He bought us a drink in one of the lounges once and he and I got chatting at the bar. Back at the table Tom Finn joked to Mrs Frost "that's the last you'll see of Ben tonight" and he wasn't far wrong - I got the next round in and we were still stood at the bar. 

I guess the only difference is I didn't get home and share any of that conversation on the internet.

[Mattyblue]

As I said, the football industry runs on gossip, all fair game.

And like you, I spent a bit of time with Williams and he loved his ‘off the record’ tidbits, but could you have imagined him in the Premier Suite, just half an hour after a big win saying to whoever’s listening; ‘Greame/Mark/Sam would have been sacked without those three points!’.

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Edited November 8, 2021 by Mattyblue

[tomphil]

Iv'e always found that those involved in football or were once involved tend to split into 2 camps.  Those who like to talk and talk - especially if there's a beer in good supply - and will tell all.

And those who barely say a word about it no matter how much prodding or alcohol is being applied.

There never seems to be much in the middle the shop is either wide open or closed.  Only difference is when it's wide open a lot of stuff gets spouted that is probably just hot air or rumour and hearsay, much as it is to fans as well.

[Ben Frost]

6 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

As I said, the football industry runs on gossip, all fair game.

And like you, I spent a bit of time with Williams and he loved his ‘off the record’ tidbits, but could you have imagined him in the Premier Suite, just half an hour after a big win saying to whoever’s listening; ‘Greame/Mark/Sam would have been sacked without those three points!’.

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But this sounds like it was a private conversation rather than a broadcast to "whoever's listening". 

And yes I can imagine that... half of my conversation with JW that evening was about Paul Ince. 

[Spartakfenni]

20 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

And how much money have Norwich made in 3 seasons yo-yo'ing? 2 lots of promotion money, 2 lots of PL money, 2 lots of parachute money...

Anyway, I'll qualify my comment. It's brought them no more on field success than Norwich or Sheff U.

The point I'm trying to make, though, is that this moneyball thing isn't the be all and end all. It's merely one way of running a club, and one way to possibly become successful. The 2 other clubs I mention have been successful via a different approach. As have Burnley, for that matter.

How dare you mention those 6 fingered inbreeds on here. Shame on you.

[Wheelton Blue]

7 minutes ago, Spartakfenni said:

How dare you mention those 6 fingered inbreeds on here. Shame on you.

Sorry. I'll go and wash my mouth out 🙂

[Mattyblue]

13 minutes ago, Ben Frost said:

But this sounds like it was a private conversation rather than a broadcast to "whoever's listening". 

And yes I can imagine that... half of my conversation with JW that evening was about Paul Ince. 

Well of course it was ‘private’, he didn’t wrestle the microphone off the MC! But he is obviously willing to discuss how the manager has just avoided the sack to whoever he happens to sits down with in the bar.

Well you obviously remember a much less candid JW than me, yes he loved a gossip, but I don’t ever recall him being as unprofessional as the current incumbent when it comes to his employees.

 

Edited November 8, 2021 by Mattyblue

[Sparks Rover]

39 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

And how much money have Norwich made in 3 seasons yo-yo'ing? 2 lots of promotion money, 2 lots of PL money, 2 lots of parachute money...

Anyway, I'll qualify my comment. It's brought them no more on field success than Norwich or Sheff U.

The point I'm trying to make, though, is that this moneyball thing isn't the be all and end all. It's merely one way of running a club, and one way to possibly become successful. The 2 other clubs I mention have been successful via a different approach. As have Burnley, for that matter.

I'm not arguing with you mate, just Brentford are in a better position than both Norwich and sheff utd...Jesus, we battered them on Saturday.  

It is one method but I'd rather have that than Delia and Co.

[Wheelton Blue]

1 minute ago, Sparks Rover said:

I'm not arguing with you mate, just Brentford are in a better position than both Norwich and sheff utd...Jesus, we battered them on Saturday.  

It is one method but I'd rather have that than Delia and Co.

No arguments from me either 🙂....I was just trying to say that there's more than one way to get success. Without a decent manager though, it's impossible.

Yeah, Sheff U were poor alright, in complete contrast to Fulham who they came down with.

[RevidgeBlue]

24 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

As I said, the football industry runs on gossip, all fair game.

And like you, I spent a bit of time with Williams and he loved his ‘off the record’ tidbits, but could you have imagined him in the Premier Suite, just half an hour after a big win saying to whoever’s listening; ‘Greame/Mark/Sam would have been sacked without those three points!’.

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I'm the last person to defend Waggott but what was it he allegedly said ?

"Tony made some bold calls with his job on the line". ?

That's would hardly be a major surprise or giving away any state secrets after a record 0-7 home defeat, a desperately disappointing season last time out and all the better players moving nearer to being out of contract would it?

Depending on the context of the conversation he could have been saying how well Mowbray had done and might not personally be in favour of  moving him out. I doubt he has any real say in the matter anyhow other than give his opinion.

They both have to go if we're to move on. Now would actually be a good  time to do it with us in a reasonable position in the table.

I see Miker above is already saying '"give him until the end of the season". If we do that, this season will be wasted, there's a fair chance next season will be another waste and surely the only faint chance of retaining the out of contract players lies in bringing in a manager and CEO they really believe in.

[Roverthechimp]

12 hours ago, tomphil said:

Nonsense 

One season in the Prem could put this club back on an even keel again. However bad the results might be it would be worth swallowing it for a season. Then hopefully rebuild a bit stronger after relegation without a crippling wage bill.

We are nothing like the Brentford sadly this club needs a promotion. Not years of pulling to bits to put back together again pretending to follow some 'model'. The people we have trying to do that just aren't competent enough they are more comfortable downgrading not building up.

As for bad results it might have escaped your attention but we won 2 in 17 last season. And have just been whalloped 0-7 at home in the heaviest home defeat in history.

Somehow it might be a bit more palatable if it was Arsenal or City doing it at top level.

 

Based on past events I could see us creating a monstrous wage bill, relegation and so on…

sound familiar?

[tomphil]

6 minutes ago, Roverthechimp said:

Based on past events I could see us creating a monstrous wage bill, relegation and so on…

sound familiar?

Oh aye once the 'advizors' get to work plus pressure from fans for big signings.

There'd be plenty snouts in the trough again looking to bleed out as much as possible. The only way around it would be to hope serious lessons were learned last time. And that a proper board was appointed to oversee things.

Pigs might fly as well though.

[lraC]

On 06/11/2021 at 08:55, Gav said:

I saw an interview with Ryan Nelson recently, superb captain, loved by the fans and very well respected.

He was called up by Barry Chuckle (Agnew) out of the blue and told to pack his bags, clean out his locker, say bye to nobody and leave the clubs training ground immediately, the owners had released him from his contract without any discussion whatsoever. Within 24hrs he'd signed for Spurs and Barry Chuckle was back on the phone asking what he was playing at, the club now wanted a transfer fee for him, needless to say he was told to piss off.

These aren't isolated incidents for badly advised owners, they systematically dismantled that squad to cut costs to the bone, its bordering on criminal with some evidence to support that allegedly. 

Anyone now telling me that they're willing to listen, they're willing to learn, they're talking to fans, whilst we languish in midtable championship obscurity because of that kind of behaviour, can go forth and multiply with the greatest of respect. 

O2.pdf Here is the text from Michel Salgado, that I have mentioned before. This along with an E Mail to Lancashire police is amongst many exhibits that show what was happening back on 2012 and are available in the Rovers Revisited blog for anyone, who cares to take a look.

Is it any different now, who knows?

[JHRover]

Mowbray has until the end of the season anyway. Nothing me or anyone on here thinks or does about that is going to change it. The only way he isn't is if he gets fed up and walks and I think that is unlikely unless the fans really turn whilst on another death spiral after Xmas.

I didn't change my view on him after the 7-0 thrashing and I haven't changed my view on him after Saturday. It really irritates me seeing people on Twitter and Facebook on the lines of 'where are the Mowbray haters now?' after the win. I'm still here, my views have been formed over 2-3 years not 2-3 games and I don't change them overnight. 

I want him gone, have done for 18 months to 2 years now and that will remain the case. The only way he will really prove me wrong is by either getting us promoted or into the play-offs.

As it happens I'm more pleased with his performance as manager right now than I have pretty much at any stage since his appointment. I certainly think he's getting more out of the squad than he has at any other point and this is probably the first season where we are 'overachieving' in the table at the moment.

Lets not get carried away though. I am pleased with where we are in the table more because I expected a relegation battle this season, but it is an incredibly tight division and it won't take much to be 7-8 places lower down the table like Preston. If we can sustain it then great but we've been here before.

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

Scandalous what went on back then...the Foxes were well and truly in the Chicken Coop and on a feeding frenzy.

I believe we are still paying the price.

[MarkBRFC]

19 hours ago, roverandout said:

Until venkys go I don't think any decent manager would come near rovers 

I'm not sure about that.

For managers looking in, they will see that Mowbray has had 5 pretty much pressure free years at the job, decent backing overall with transfer fees, free transfers (if they are from Middlesbrough), loan fees/wages. He's only had to sell one player in his time here, and even employed his own CEO.

Who wouldn't want some of that action?

[Ghost7]

The reality is we aren't set up to get a good manager. We can all see when available they don't end up here, so perhaps we should be directing our frustration further afield (the owners and CEO). In fact I'm certain we should be on a match day basis.

If the club was ran correctly the majority of the "good" managers Wilder, Smith, Farke etc would jump at the opportunity to manage Blackburn Rovers.

There are too many managers that we have to rule out simply because they are better at their job than our owners are at theirs... and some of those managers are completely average

but why would a totally unprofessional by the sounds of it CEO, friend of the current manager, even try to appoint one.

Venky's out. Sack the board.

Edited November 8, 2021 by Ghost7