Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Kie_BRFC]

50 minutes ago, Miker said:

I mean, we’re in 7th and the players are still playing for him. I could understand if we were mid table and players wanted him out but that’s not the case is it?

Whatever people think about his quality as a manger, Mowbray hasn’t significantly underachieved in his time here so ending his contract now makes no sense. This is his last chance to get us into the playoffs. If he fails then someone new should come in next season. If he succeeds there’s more of a decision to make.

I have no concerns if he is given money to spend even if a new manager comes in next season. Mowbray has signed more good players than bad.

He definitely underachieved last season. Finished 15th with Armstrong and Elliott in attack

[RevidgeBlue]

7 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Do you have a source for that? 

As I said to Roversfan 99 I'm almost certain it was in the LT and no, I don't have the relevant article to hand.

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

As I said to Roversfan 99 I'm almost certain it was in the LT and no, I don't have the relevant article to hand.

mmm. ok

[Bigdoggsteel]

5 minutes ago, Kie_BRFC said:

He definitely underachieved last season. Finished 15th with Armstrong and Elliott in attack

Ya, but we didnt have Ayala and Wharton and that killed us really 

[RevidgeBlue]

42 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

So, if we finish 6th and get beat in the semi final play off, should Mogadon get a new deal?

Much as I can't stand Mowbray I think that would be a very different proposition to making it into the top 6 in January.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

mmm. ok

Give over.

I haven't imagined it.

 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Ya, but we didnt have Ayala and Wharton and that killed us really 

You're like the character  in the Fast Show who changes his mind every time anyone says something different.

You were staunchly pro Mowbray long after most of us had seen through him then you finally changed your mind towards the end of last season and were adamant he had to go, now you seem to be warming to him again.

[Bigdoggsteel]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

You're like the character  in the Fast Show who changes his mind every time anyone says something different.

You were staunchly pro Mowbray long after most of us had seen through him then you finally changed your mind towards the end of last season and were adamant he had to go, now you seem to be warming to him again.

You are imagining things. First quotes from Mowbray "in the LT" and secondly my views towards him, when literally 2-3 posts up I said to Sparks I would like a change.  

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, Sparks Rover said:

So, if we finish 6th and get beat in the semi final play off, should Mogadon get a new deal?

No he should leave on a high.

[Waggy76]

7 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

So, if we finish 6th and get beat in the semi final play off, should Mogadon get a new deal?

We won't but he might 🤣

[Armchair supporter supremo]

7 hours ago, Sparks Rover said:

So, if we finish 6th and get beat in the semi final play off, should Mogadon get a new deal?

he should be sacked now.end of story. sick to fk of Mowbray related what ifs. he's the david brent of footballer managers only with less personality and charisma. 

[davulsukur]

10 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Just positing, if we are top 6 in January, would a transfer budget and new contract for Mowbray be logical? 

The problem with Mowbray (ok one of the problems) is that he is a very streaky manager for us. We often go on good runs of being unbeaten, only to follow that up without being able to buy a win.

Because of that, any contract offer needs to wait until the summer. Give him a new 2 year deal (let's say) in Jan because we are 5th/6th but then could very well nose dive down the league and win something like 2 out of 15 games.

I can see where you're coming from but there is also the possibility that him knowing he'll be out of contract at the end of the season might actually prove to be a motivator to make him actually earn a new contract (I know, I know).

As soon as he's got his new deal, he might take the foot off the gas and start talking about Journey's again.

[roversfan99]

I dont think that its an issue whereby Mowbray would take his foot off the gas if he was given a new deal but there is absolutely no need to give him one before the end of the season, and only then if we overachieve and make the top 6.

[davulsukur]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont think that its an issue whereby Mowbray would take his foot off the gas if he was given a new deal but there is absolutely no need to give him one before the end of the season, and only then if we overachieve and make the top 6.

Yeah, I was thinking that not having a new deal sorted might galvanise him a little but if got a new deal he might just revert to type.

I suppose ultimately, he's too streaky to make a consistent assault on the play off places, regardless of his contract situation.

Bit no, I wouldn't be handing him a new contract before the summer and even then, he would have had to pull off something spectacular to even be offered a contract in the summer.

Inevitably, we will tumble down the league to our usual Mowbray place of mid-lower table and hopefully a parting of ways in the summer (at the latest)

[Paul Mani]

I still think we need a change of direction and voice in the dressing room in spite of any potential success that the manager might have upto January.

On a separate topic, I watched the Brereton Diaz short film about his rise and I have to say it is amazing. There’s also a sense of shame as a Rovers fan as to how he was judged. The booing of him a year or two ago is probably an all time low for us as a fan base.

I hope he’s had a positive enough time with the club to sign an extension and that he continues to develop. The fee we eventually receive from his sale is important to us.

Edited November 18, 2021 by Paul Mani

[Mattyblue]

Not this again. Sense of shame for who?  ‘An all time low’ for who? A tiny percentage of idiots?

Considering just how poor he was, for a few YEARS, not weeks or months, he was given a lot of patience, yes grumbles, and yes there was a tiny minority of people being dickheads but that’s football, a £7million man wouldn’t have got such patience and understanding from the fanbase at many other clubs.

The fanbase at large have been excellent with BBD, shows that actually we are a pretty fair bunch down at Ewood and it’s a shame you want to go down that line…

Edited November 18, 2021 by Mattyblue

[1864roverite]

My view is that it simply is indicative of some of our fickle supporters! 

[AllRoverAsia]

The deep breath and 3 minute rule worked ... this time ...

[Mattyblue]

14 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

My view is that it simply is indicative of some of our fickle supporters! 

Bit like those that used to rant about the owners on a daily basis, but now go in to bat for them instead…

[arbitro]

41 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

I still think we need a change of direction and voice in the dressing room in spite of any potential success that the manager might have upto January.

On a separate topic, I watched the Brereton Diaz short film about his rise and I have to say it is amazing. There’s also a sense of shame as a Rovers fan as to how he was judged. The booing of him a year or two ago is probably an all time low for us as a fan base.

I hope he’s had a positive enough time with the club to sign an extension and that he continues to develop. The fee we eventually receive from his sale is important to us.

Wow.  Even Bradley Dack criticised his first three years on the video. That isn't words on a message board seen by a few hundred, it's gone out to millions of people. 

I criticised him and feel no shame whatsoever. 

[47er]

44 minutes ago, Paul Mani said:

There’s also a sense of shame as a Rovers fan as to how he was judged. The booing of him a year or two ago is probably an all time low for us as a fan base.

Here we go again! What % of your posts criticise Rovers fans?  Quite a high one I'd have thought. 

Brereton has been very well supported by the fans despite flopping for a long period of time.

 

[Blue blood]

Whilst I get our league position is creditable given the squad we have there are a few factors that make me want to get rid of TM. 

Yes, it is a good position for the resources that we have but it's entirely TMs fault we have the resources/team that we do. He's the reason we have a paper thin squad. He's spunked so much on unneeded squad filler and his mates, he's overly relied on loans and he's not renewed contracts. it's beginning to come home to roost but if he has us in a good position with a weak squad remember he gave us the weak squad. 

What makes this even more astounding is he has had 4+ years to make such a weak squad, with no pressure regarding results and very limited forced sales. To be in this position squad wise given that environment is mental. 

Add in some of the worst runs ever that would have got any other manager sacked. Factor in we crumble every time we get near top 6 - a repeated theme. Consider his ludicrous playing players out of position. And there's the comments and slurs to fans. Put that all together and why would you want him anywhere near your club? 

[47er]

25 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

My view is that it simply is indicative of some of our fickle supporters! 

Yeah, it would be.

[Bigdoggsteel]

46 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

Whilst I get our league position is creditable given the squad we have there are a few factors that make me want to get rid of TM. 

Yes, it is a good position for the resources that we have but it's entirely TMs fault we have the resources/team that we do. He's the reason we have a paper thin squad. He's spunked so much on unneeded squad filler and his mates, he's overly relied on loans and he's not renewed contracts. it's beginning to come home to roost but if he has us in a good position with a weak squad remember he gave us the weak squad. 

What makes this even more astounding is he has had 4+ years to make such a weak squad, with no pressure regarding results and very limited forced sales. To be in this position squad wise given that environment is mental. 

Add in some of the worst runs ever that would have got any other manager sacked. Factor in we crumble every time we get near top 6 - a repeated theme. Consider his ludicrous playing players out of position. And there's the comments and slurs to fans. Put that all together and why would you want him anywhere near your club? 

This is really the only issue to me. If he manages to get over that hump this season, a strong argument could certainly be made to offer him a new deal. Personally I still wouldn't though. I don't think it would be a case of building on it next season. He could leave with his stock high and we would be a relatively attractive option for a new manager. Win/Win 

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, 1864roverite said:

My view is that it simply is indicative of some of our fickle supporters! 

Does that fickleness apply to supporters who are critical of Mowbray and Waggott?

In your quest for the moral high ground you are guilty of double standards.