Tony Mowbray Discussion

[tomphil]

Brereton suffered being messed around badly by the manager when he first arrived. He carried a huge price tag which didn't help as it naturally created expectation. Not his fault and certainly not fans fault who after seeing the biggest money splashed since Jordan Rhodes were entitled to expect a little bit of bang for the bucks.

The player himself though wasn't putting enough effort in on the pitch, nothing like he does now. He looked poor and lacking confidence but in the eyes of fans effort can cover over for that.  There wasn't enough and that led to what was nothing more than a few grumbles and moans on matchday. 

Not the first of last player to get that at any club but all this 'booing' accusations is utter nonsense. Please point us to any really loud examples of this at Ewood or away apart from the one game where the patience of a few pissheads snapped ?  That was an abject effort by both player and team at the time and if it actually gave him a kick up the backside then it did more good than harm.

In truth it took a break from Ewood, a new manager putting faith in him and playing in a different approach to really set him alight. 

There is nothing more fickle than people trying to play both sides, people who've moaned themselves at times how poor hes been. If you want an example of real shameful treatment of a player look no further that Villa fans treatment of Gestede.  

The two scenarios don't remotely compare.

Edited November 18, 2021 by tomphil

[Mattyblue]

That’s the thing with TM, remember this is a two way thing.

If he decides to go at the end of the season (as I still think there’s every chance of a new deal offer), as he sees the writing on the wall budget wise, he has without doubt boosted his reputation after his stint here (you may think otherwise, but I certainly get that impression from those within the game) and he will definitely have chances of other decent jobs.

Edited November 18, 2021 by Mattyblue

[Armchair supporter supremo]

2 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

there’s also a sense of shame as a Rovers fan as to how he was judged. The booing of him a year or two ago is probably an all time low for us as a fan base.

 

he spent 3 years earning 10s of thousands a month for contributing very little. Yes that was largely down to the Our clown if a manager Mowbray not having a clur of what to dibwith him and molly codling him for years at the clubs expense, but still footballers rarely get sympathy from me unless its very bad injuries or serious personal issues that are effecting them. 

 

also i don't yhink he's half as good as gis currently being made out, not a fan of "confidence players"  great players are like machines, they just go out and do tge business week after week regardless of how hey feel

[1864roverite]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Bit like those that used to rant about the owners on a daily basis, but now go in to bat for them instead…

And once again MB you are misguided in your attempt at besmirching me! My views on the owners have not changed since day 1 you really should take a hard look at my posts and read them properly😜

[1864roverite]

1 hour ago, 47er said:

Yeah, it would be.

Am I not entitled to a view 47 or is that exclusive to your good self?

[Mattyblue]

1 minute ago, 1864roverite said:

And once again MB you are misguided in your attempt at besmirching me! My views on the owners have not changed since day 1 you really should take a hard look at my posts and read them properly😜

So you still want the club sold? 

[1864roverite]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

Does that fickleness apply to supporters who are critical of Mowbray and Waggott?

In your quest for the moral high ground you are guilty of double standards.

Absolute bollocks Arbitro my views and opinion remain consistent be it the owners, mowbray and/or waggot.

[1864roverite]

Just now, Mattyblue said:

So you still want the club sold? 

I want what is the best for the club whether its new owners, the current owners or whether it is a fan based ownership. My views are the same as ever since day 1 regarding the owners

[Blue blood]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

This is really the only issue to me. If he manages to get over that hump this season, a strong argument could certainly be made to offer him a new deal. Personally I still wouldn't though. I don't think it would be a case of building on it next season. He could leave with his stock high and we would be a relatively attractive option for a new manager. Win/Win 

Appreciate the thought out response. For me (as my post details) there's a lot of other cautions. Besides even focussing on the one crumbling issue even if he stayed the course to playoffs for the season but didn't go up do you think the evidence is there that he would do it again? I'd say it'd be more against than for based on his history here. 

I think your point on building is spot on though. For all the talk of journeys we very much are a short term operation. We've done two resets in the past two seasons plus have 2 or 3 years before that and seen little building. So would agree he's not a builder either. 

[Mattyblue]

15 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

I want what is the best for the club whether its new owners, the current owners or whether it is a fan based ownership. My views are the same as ever since day 1 regarding the owners

Well they aren’t the same views then, are they?

As you used to post some mega rants on here telling them to sell up ASAP…

fickle fans indeed.

[1864roverite]

22 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Well they aren’t the same views then, are they?

As you used to post some mega rants on here telling them to sell up ASAP…

fickle fans indeed.

And pray tell please highlight were I have changed my views on the ownership of the club?

 

[Mattyblue]

Because now you are not demanding they sell the club ASAP, seems fairly clear cut really, 1864.

Edited November 18, 2021 by Mattyblue

[arbitro]

49 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

Absolute bollocks Arbitro my views and opinion remain consistent be it the owners, mowbray and/or waggot.

So anybody who criticises Brereton is fickle but criticising the owners, Mowbray or Waggott is allowed. I took humbrage with your description of fans as fickle for criticising Brereton but you can slate the others with impunity it seems. That in my book is double standards.

[Oldgregg86]

I’ve never seen a player as bad as Ben get so much in ground support in my 25 years of watching rovers. 

Edited November 18, 2021 by Oldgregg86

[47er]

1 hour ago, 1864roverite said:

Am I not entitled to a view 47 or is that exclusive to your good self?

Of course-- we can both say what we think! 

 

1 hour ago, 1864roverite said:

Absolute bollocks Arbitro

Is Arbitro not entitled to one then!

[rigger]

19 minutes ago, Oldgregg86 said:

I’ve never seen a player as bad as Ben get so much in ground support in my 25 years of watching rovers. 

Beamo !

[1864roverite]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

So anybody who criticises Brereton is fickle but criticising the owners, Mowbray or Waggott is allowed. I took humbrage with your description of fans as fickle for criticising Brereton but you can slate the others with impunity it seems. That in my book is double standards.

Have it your way then at no point have I advocated either of the scenarios you paint I simply said it epitomises SOME of our fans and yes I will stand by my point about them being fickle

[arbitro]

2 minutes ago, 1864roverite said:

Have it your way then at no point have I advocated either of the scenarios you paint I simply said it epitomises SOME of our fans and yes I will stand by my point about them being fickle

What scenarios have I painted? You used the word fickle as you say it epitomises some of our fans who criticised Brereton but your continual criticism of Mowbray and Waggott is not fickle. Can you not see any difference?

My point is anybody can be criticised as they are in the public eye. Providing it doesn't get personal that is.

[1864roverite]

I don't believe that I have ever swayed from my opinion on the owners/TM or SW so no I am not fickle.

In respect of BB, you should go do a little research, I have always said he was a good player, a valuable player when played in the correct position and I can never get my head around why Mowbray played him in the manner in which he has done until this season.

As for being critical, I am in agreement to a large extent, you put yourself out there to be shot at.

By the way, impunity for me being critical? Oh please, I said that some of our supporters are fickle. I stand by it, there are some on here, there are some at the ground and there are others over the world. 

Being fickle about TM/SW? Not me at all, my viewpoint hasnt changed at all.

[roversfan99]

Fair play to Paul Mani, he has done exactly what I suspect that he set out to do by dropping that terrible post in an irrelevant thread and never returning back to it like farting in a room and making a quick getaway.

Moving away from allegations of hypocrisy, if people criticise a player when he is playing poorly and then praise a player and rate him more when he starts doing well, is that fickle, or just normal? If anything, the opposite ie being stubborn about player opinions would be more counterproductive.

[Mattyblue]

Don’t worry, in a few hours just as the thread has moved on to get back on topic, he’ll be back to double down on it…

[Oldgregg86]

4 hours ago, rigger said:

Beamo !

 But before my time I’m afraid 

[rigger]

22 minutes ago, Oldgregg86 said:

 But before my time I’m afraid 

A forward who scored goals for us, but also fell on his arse a lot and peperred the Blackburn end with shots. But was a fans favourite.

[Darrenbot]

54 minutes ago, rigger said:

A forward who scored goals for us, but also fell on his arse a lot and peperred the Blackburn end with shots. But was a fans favourite.

I started going to Rovers in 88 and for ages i always used to wonder what people were shouting when a forward skied a shot miles over the bar lol

[lraC]

1 hour ago, rigger said:

A forward who scored goals for us, but also fell on his arse a lot and peperred the Blackburn end with shots. But was a fans favourite.

It was a regular chant in the playground, when I was a kid, if someone ballooned a shot over the bar. Beamo, Beamo, Beamo. It was a word that could have found itself in the Blackburn dictionary, if there was such a thing.

I love ken though and was happy to see him remain at the club for years, after his playing days ended.