Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Gav]

  On 21/11/2021 at 11:04, Armchair supporter supremo said:

Sorry cock but I think you have a pretty romanticised view of our stature 😞 Look how long it took Leeds to claw their way back into the premiere league! and they're a far bigger and better supported City team (even if their fans are pure scum😄)

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I'll ask you again.

How many clubs of the stature of say, a Blackburn Rovers, have folded and 'become history' as you put it?

The reason why I ask is its the difference between putting up with the continued downgrading of the club or striving for something better.

If you truly believe Venkys are our only option thats an acceptable position to hold.

Edited November 21, 2021 by Gav

[tomphil]

  On 21/11/2021 at 10:59, chaddyrovers said:

Why would Venkys put the club into administration when most of debt is owed to them? Meaning they get nothing back money wise

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I don't think they'll do that certainly not in the near future although it could end up forced on them one day if they keep cocking up FFP.

As a side note to it they have removed the STC from the clubs books recently so they now own that themselves.

[roverandout]

If Newcastle can be bought.  So can we. We are a more successful club than them. With a huge potential catchment area. 

[rigger]

  On 21/11/2021 at 11:39, roverandout said:

If Newcastle can be bought.  So can we. We are a more successful club than them. With a huge potential catchment area. 

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On the booze early ?

[roverandout]

  On 21/11/2021 at 11:42, rigger said:

On the booze early ?

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Yes but that's not the point 

[Armchair supporter supremo]

  On 21/11/2021 at 11:29, Gav said:

I'll ask you again.

How many clubs of the stature of say, a Blackburn Rovers, have folded and 'become history' as you put it?

The reason why I ask is its the difference between putting up with the continued downgrading of the club or striving for something better.

If you truly believe Venkys are our only option thats an acceptable position to hold.

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By "history" I meant that (if we are lucky!)We'd just end up in a position where we would unlikely to ever even be able to compete above league 1 level again in my life time. If you'd be happy with that then great for you. 

 

Mowbray out

Waggot Out.

Edited November 21, 2021 by Armchair supporter supremo

[booth]

  On 21/11/2021 at 10:58, 47er said:

Hasn't the only sizeable asset just been sold?

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I don’t know but we certainly have less sizeable assets. If Venkys decided to do a Ken Bates and sell us for a quid so it’s someone else’s problem then I can see vultures circling.

[Armchair supporter supremo]

  On 21/11/2021 at 11:50, booth said:

I don’t know but we certainly have less sizeable assets. If Venkys decided to do a Ken Bates and sell us for a quid so it’s someone else’s problem then I can see vultures circling.

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Oh definitely I'm sure there'd be a few vultures and wishywashywanky bodged together consortiums  queuing up

[1864roverite]

  On 21/11/2021 at 09:28, Gav said:

Not true, but that wasn't my point.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-32512704

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You've not read what I wrote properly - I said as a whole, meaning the whole team and set up !

[Gav]

  On 21/11/2021 at 11:48, Armchair supporter supremo said:

By "history" I meant that (if we are lucky!)We'd just end up in a position where we would unlikely to ever even be able to compete above league 1 level again in my life time. If you'd be happy with that then great for you. 

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They could play on Pleasington playing fields for all I care, if these inept owners sod off I'll have 4 season tickets immediately. 

As long as we are being run by proper footballing people who give a toss about the club, the town and its supporters, thats good enough for me, at the moment we are dying by a thousand cuts and changing the manager and CEO won't change that, as the last 10yrs have shown us.

[1864roverite]

  On 21/11/2021 at 09:37, rigger said:

A bold, but unprovable statement, in a somewhat corrupt environment.

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What absolute bunkum. Lets have the evidence you proclaim of a whole team set up to play a whole season with relegation the only aim!

I will factually accept individual rotten eggs making money across all sports but please !

[booth]

  On 21/11/2021 at 10:59, chaddyrovers said:

Why would Venkys put the club into administration when most of debt is owed to them? Meaning they get nothing back money wise

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They are never going to get that money back Chaddy.

It’d be a monumental achievement if we had a top class manager, chairman and proper board structure and were sitting pretty in the Premier League.

£140m and counting.

[1864roverite]

  On 21/11/2021 at 11:32, tomphil said:

I don't think they'll do that certainly not in the near future although it could end up forced on them one day if they keep cocking up FFP.

As a side note to it they have removed the STC from the clubs books recently so they now own that themselves.

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It makes not a single ounce of sense, they own the club and the debt!

[Wheelton Blue]

  On 21/11/2021 at 11:59, Gav said:

They could play on Pleasington playing fields for all I care, if these inept owners sod off I'll have 4 season tickets immediately. 

As long as we are being run by proper footballing people who give a toss about the club, the town and its supporters, thats good enough for me, at the moment we are dying by a thousand cuts and changing the manager and CEO won't change that, as the last 10yrs have shown us.

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So what are you saying then? That we stick with Waggott & Mowbray until Venkys leave?

[Armchair supporter supremo]

  On 21/11/2021 at 11:59, Gav said:

They could play on Pleasington playing fields for all I care, if these inept owners sod off I'll have 4 season tickets immediately. 

As long as we are being run by proper footballing people who give a toss about the club, the town and its supporters, thats good enough for me, at the moment we are dying by a thousand cuts and changing the manager and CEO won't change that, as the last 10yrs have shown us.

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hahahaha. well hooray for you!! 

Me personally... I would have no interest in a blackburn rovers 'playing on a pitch at pleasington' or anywhere else outside of the full time professional leagues. 

 

Mowbray Out

Waggot Out

 

Edited November 21, 2021 by Armchair supporter supremo

[islander200]

  On 21/11/2021 at 11:32, tomphil said:

I don't think they'll do that certainly not in the near future although it could end up forced on them one day if they keep cocking up FFP.

As a side note to it they have removed the STC from the clubs books recently so they now own that themselves.

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They own the club and all the assets that come with it so at ANY point they could have sold the STC

[islander200]

There is absolutely no evidence to support the thought the owners are planning on putting us into admin or selling the club 

If any of that was a remote possibility at this time then they wouldnt be trying to work around ffp by selling the STC.They would have taken the points deduction and the transfer embargo which would have given them an excuse if they had no plans to spend in the transfer market

[Gav]

  On 21/11/2021 at 12:03, Wheelton Blue said:

So what are you saying then? That we stick with Waggott & Mowbray until Venkys leave?

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My original point was getting rid of Mowbray and Waggott fixes nothing, the bigger picture must be to get rid of Venkys.

We've changed the manager 9 times in 10yrs, we've changed the CEO probably 5 times, it doesn't work, especially when we're using a small gene pool of washed up dregs owned by 1 agency. 

The longer these owners are here, the more damage they do.

Edited November 21, 2021 by Gav

[Gav]

  On 21/11/2021 at 11:59, 1864roverite said:

You've not read what I wrote properly - I said as a whole, meaning the whole team and set up !

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I read what you wrote and now you're rowing back faster than Redgrave and Pinsent.

When Blackburn Rovers 2011 was sold, its was a club sat 11th in Premiership, punching well above its weight, with a boardroom full of footballing people and an experienced manager and very good players. 

2yrs later we had no boardroom structure, we sat firmly in league 1 having sacked many good people that worked day to day at the club, we had crooks filling deep pockets and a visit to the old bailey under our belts.

Are you telling me that was setup for success? I'm telling you that was setup to fail and it did just that.

Edited November 21, 2021 by Gav

[Sparks Rover]

  On 21/11/2021 at 12:22, islander200 said:

There is absolutely no evidence to support the thought the owners are planning on putting us into admin or selling the club 

If any of that was a remote possibility at this time then they wouldnt be trying to work around ffp by selling the STC.

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I'd say its more likely because now if we did go into admin the administrators can't touch the STC and sell it to someone of their choice for a fraction of its value.  We don't own it anymore.....its a sly move from the owners.

[Wheelton Blue]

  On 21/11/2021 at 12:29, Gav said:

My original point was getting rid of Mowbray and Waggott fixes nothing, the bigger picture must be to get rid of Venkys.

We've changed the manager 9 times in 10yrs, we've changed the CEO probably 5 times, it doesn't work, especially when we're using a small gene pool of washed up dregs owned by 1 agency. 

The longer these owners are here, the more damage they do.

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I agree with with what you say re: the owners. They're the one constant in our decline.

I do believe that we can do better than Mowbray though, even with our owners.

[1864roverite]

  On 21/11/2021 at 12:45, Gav said:

I read what you wrote and now you're rowing back faster than Redgrave and Pinsent.

When Blackburn Rovers 2011 was sold, its was a club sat 11th in Premiership, punching well above its weight, with a boardroom full of footballing people and an experienced manager and very good players. 

2yrs later we had no boardroom structure, we sat firmly in league 1 having sacked many good people that worked day to day at the club, we had crooks filling deep pockets and a visit to the old bailey under our belts.

Are you telling me that was setup for success? I'm telling you that was setup to fail and it did just that.

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Rowing back? Give your head a wobble Gav! I am waiting for you to provide tangible evidence that our team and club were deliberately sent out to get themselves relegated out of the league over the course of the season ! That is what you claim I simply dispute it and unless you do so then your argument fails miserably. Never through the history of football has a club gone out simply to achieve relegation it is as simple as that

[Riverside under the drip]

Haven't posted on this thread in a fair while.

My overall perspective remains unchanged. I don't think Mowbray is right for us and we need a new voice in the dressing room. Some of the square pegs stuff is truly mind-blowing. We need ugly, winning personalities like Diouf, Savage or Bellamy more than ever.

HOWEVER...

I, like many others on here, thought that this season would be a real battle to survive. I couldn't see where goals were coming from and thought injuries would see us too fragile at the back. They still might of course but we are waaaaaaaaaaay above where most of us expected right now. Diaz has been a revelation but Gallagher has also chipped in more handily than anticipated.

If we are going to scrape by until the summer with no funds for January then so be it. I still hope that the summer will see Mowbray departing and a hungrier manager with a bit of steel coming in. Major changes are obviously a necessity in terms of players as so many will be off. It makes sense that a new man would be the one to oversee this.

Do I think this is what will happen? Of course not; it's Rovers we're talking about! Mowbray to get a new contract and a fresh set of loans on their way...

Edited November 21, 2021 by Riverside under the drip

[islander200]

  On 21/11/2021 at 13:06, Sparks Rover said:

I'd say its more likely because now if we did go into admin the administrators can't touch the STC and sell it to someone of their choice for a fraction of its value.  We don't own it anymore.....its a sly move from the owners.

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No it isnt the owners could have sold it externally at any time.They own the club and all its assets.

At the time it was done the club needed that money for ffp reasons.

If the owners sell the land on how much are they likely to get for it?I presume with your theory it will be a lot more than the 16.6 million they have already paid for it?

Whats changed from last year when they pulled out of building housing on it due to the locals opposing it?Is it likely housing will be built on that land?

If you can give an answer to these questions then maybe il start believing these nonsencical theories.

Edited November 21, 2021 by islander200

[Gav]

  On 21/11/2021 at 13:21, 1864roverite said:

Rowing back? Give your head a wobble Gav! I am waiting for you to provide tangible evidence that our team and club were deliberately sent out to get themselves relegated out of the league over the course of the season ! That is what you claim I simply dispute it and unless you do so then your argument fails miserably. Never through the history of football has a club gone out simply to achieve relegation it is as simple as that

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Exhibit A - The past 10yrs of Venkys control, if you can't join those dots you're not looking hard enough.