Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Spartakfenni]

Can you provide evidence to back up your quotes, don’t include journalists other itk’s. Hard evidence please

[Spartakfenni]

4 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

Again, where is the evidence of this?

 

 

2 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

Why did we bid for all the player i mentioned previously? Bamford, not English or young, the QPR lad, not young, Assomballonga, not youing. Was well publisied. We ended up with this guy. 

Because they didn’t fit Balaji’s profile. He wouldn’t pay up.

[JacknOry]

It was a last minute purchase after Forest hired an agent to offload BB. We were offered him, we didnt scout him.

[JacknOry]

You're talking balls dude, i can bring up coumltess news links - you cannot bring up anything.

[Spartakfenni]

Just now, JacknOry said:

You're talking balls dude, i can bring up coumltess news links - you cannot bring up anything.

News links = journalists = conjecture = no evidence 

[JacknOry]

I give up, there is nothing to suggest this was a balaji signing. Yet those other signings were linked to us. You 12 or what?

[JacknOry]

Just show me some evidence that BB was a Balaji signing and i'll shut up. 

[Spartakfenni]

3 minutes ago, Ulrich said:

Why does the article state cruciate ligament injury, when it is an ankle ligament and fracture issue? Some really thorough journalism there.

Evidence of good journalism

 

13 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

I give up, there is nothing to suggest this was a balaji signing. Yet those other signings were linked to us. You 12 or what?

No I’m not, maybe you are dude

[JacknOry]

4 minutes ago, Spartakfenni said:

Evidence of good journalism

 

No I’m not, maybe you are dude

Still waiting on this evidence.,

Guess there is none?  Who told you you this tolroppe?

Edited November 23, 2021 by JacknOry

[JacknOry]

If Balaji, or any of them really cared, they would make a push in so many directions at the club. You're telling me that their remit is to sign youngh Enlgish players? So Ayala, Mulgrew, Bennett, Graham, Holtby, Johnson, that fits in right?

 

[Spartakfenni]

10 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

If Balaji, or any of them really cared, they would make a push in so many directions at the club. You're telling me that their remit is to sign youngh Enlgish players? So Ayala, Mulgrew, Bennett, Graham, Holtby, Johnson, that fits in right?

 

Apart from Ayala, Holtby and Johnson these where signed before Mowbray stabilised the club. Mulgrew and Bennett stayed too long and you can’t blame Balaji for that, it was Mowbray. The others where brought in at no transfer cost (excluding agent fees) to add experience. As for making a ‘push’ they are hamstrung by FFP. Do we want a Reading, Nottingham Forest situation?

[Hasta]

56 minutes ago, Spartakfenni said:

Apart from Ayala, Holtby and Johnson these where signed before Mowbray stabilised the club. Mulgrew and Bennett stayed too long and you can’t blame Balaji for that, it was Mowbray. The others where brought in at no transfer cost (excluding agent fees) to add experience. As for making a ‘push’ they are hamstrung by FFP. Do we want a Reading, Nottingham Forest situation?

Apart from? That’s 3 out of 6 of those names that don’t fit Balaji’s alleged master plan. Balaji hasn’t got a scooby what goes on.

I accept Mowbray may have had to spin him that line to get the go ahead on BB.

Edited November 23, 2021 by Hasta

[Spartakfenni]

9 minutes ago, Hasta said:

Apart from? That’s 3 out of 6 of those names that don’t fit Balaji’s alleged master plan. Balaji hasn’t got a scooby what goes on.

I accept Mowbray may have had to spin him that line to get the go ahead on BB.

50% successful rate is above average

[tomphil]

Did big Barry pick Gallagher as well ?  How did they get the cash for that one was it yet another investment signing ?

Or in fact were they both actually just done by Mowbray and the agent / recruitment gang because they were getable and fit the young English remit ?

Edited November 23, 2021 by tomphil

[booth]

7 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

Kean's bonuses were specifically for hitting a target.

He was to receive a £200k bonus for finishing in the top 12 in the Premier League.

If Rovers were relegated - his salary was significantly reduced, but then there a bonus of £500k for getting promoted to the Premier League.

If Rovers were relegated to League One, his salary dropped even further and there was no bonus for promotion back to the Championship.

His contract certainly didn't reward failure - it mitigated the risk of high salary and bonuses being paid if were relegated.

 

Hmmm, his salary was to be reduced but it was to back up to a million plus a £500k bonus for promotion a couple of seasons later wasn't it?

First season £1m salary.

Second season £1m.

Championship £600k.

So get relegated and live off £600k but get promoted a couple of seasons later and get effectively an £900k bonus!

£900k!

To me that rewards failure because it was him who relegated the club in the first place. A particularly dodgy individual would look at that contract and think, on a personal level I can't fail. Some incentive.

We are talking about a guy who had never managed before who was made a millionaire for relegating the club and having a contract loaded with bonuses.

Edited November 23, 2021 by booth
Got covid, can't count.

[K-Hod]

2 hours ago, Spartakfenni said:

Evidence of good journalism

 

No I’m not, maybe you are dude

Are you really asking for evidence, dismissing it when given, then offering none of your own?

[DeeCee]

7 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Well, we would be "an average Championship Club" if we didn't have multi billionaire owners and Mowbray would have had to contend with "limited resources" had said owners not put in c £20m p.a. in during his tenure.

Our total income including the owners input is well above average but we are performing like a relative minnow due to having a substandard manager and coaching staff.

Etc etc etc

[islander200]

1 hour ago, booth said:

Hmmm, his salary was to be reduced but it was to back up to a million plus a £500k bonus for promotion a couple of seasons later wasn't it?

First season £1m salary.

Second season £1m.

Championship £600k.

So get relegated and live off £600k but get promoted a couple of seasons later and get effectively an £900k bonus!

£900k!

To me that rewards failure because it was him who relegated the club in the first place. A particularly dodgy individual would look at that contract and think, on a personal level I can't fail. Some incentive.

We are talking about a guy who had never managed before who was made a millionaire for relegating the club and having a contract loaded with bonuses.

His agent was drawing up the contract and allegedly practically running the club at the time

[Gav]

3 hours ago, JacknOry said:

You're telling me that their remit is to sign youngh Enlgish players? So Ayala, Mulgrew, Bennett, Graham, Holtby, Johnson, that fits in right?

 

If you look at the players bought for a fee, which is where you’re more likely to see any sell on value, Spartakfenni was saying the remit was young English type players to develop and sell on:

Dack, Cairney, Duffy, Gallagher, Brereton, Dolan (Free), Rothwell, Armstrong off the top of my head.

Those players seem to fit the bill perfectly and align with what Fenni was saying. 

Edited November 23, 2021 by Gav

[BRFC4EVA]

On another note Ainsworth's Wycombe have just thumped top of the table and division form side plymouth 3 nil away from home..

[islander200]

6 minutes ago, Gav said:

If you look at the players bought for a fee, which is where you’re more likely to see any sell on value, Spartakfenni was saying the remit was young English players to develop and sell on:

Dack, Cairney, Duffy, Gallagher, Brereton, Dolan (Free), Rothwell, Armstrong off the top of my head.

Those players seem to fit the bill perfectly and align with what Fenni was saying. 

Yes but giving 2 and 3 year deals to the likes of Ayala,Johnson and Holtby and then the shorter term players , Rodwell and Downing, these fellas were on more money at their previous clubs than our highest earner, logically they would have been compensated with significant signing on fees.Johnson isnt walking away from a lucrative  year at Derby to come here for a lot less.

 

[Gav]

5 minutes ago, islander200 said:

Yes but giving 2 and 3 year deals to the likes of Ayala,Johnson and Holtby and then the shorter term players , Rodwell and Downing, these fellas were on more money at their previous clubs than our highest earner, logically they would have been compensated with significant signing on fees.Johnson isnt walking away from a lucrative  year at Derby to come here for a lot less.

 

Maybe you missed the point being made by posters earlier, have a read back, it was centred around Balaji wanting to spend a few quid to develop players and sell them on, not squad players with no sell on value.

[47er]

8 hours ago, LeftWinger said:

His contract certainly didn't reward failure - it mitigated the risk of high salary and bonuses being paid if were relegated.

 

I repeat, why would there be any sort of bonus at all for taking the club down 2 divisions? Why is that clause in there?

Do you believe any other manager had such a provision? Something dodgy here as there was about the whole takeover.

[islander200]

13 minutes ago, Gav said:

Maybe you missed the point being made by posters earlier, have a read back, it was centred around Balaji wanting to spend a few quid to develop players and sell them on, not squad players with no sell on value.

No i understood but the other deals Ayala,Johnson ,Holtby werent really free transfers over the terms of their contracts and whatever signing on fees involved were expensive deals, Brererton is on a reported 4k a week here.Ayala ,Holtby and Johnson on 20+ at their previous clubs.No return on investment coming from that outlay and commitment unless promotion

Edited November 23, 2021 by islander200

[roversfan99]

Not every player should be signed to make a profit on, and conversation about wages and signing on fees is purely speculative.