Tony Mowbray Discussion

[simongarnerisgod]

17 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

Whatever happened to good old 442 getting it down the channels and banging it into the box? Those were the days. 

temporarily our of fashion but sooner or later some manager will try it,have success and it`ll be back😊

[Upside Down]

3 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

temporarily our of fashion but sooner or later some manager will try it,have success and it`ll be back😊

 

Unfortunately those types of player are not encouraged in the game any more.

I think the way they coach players now there is no tolerance of players taking someone on and beating them. Heavens forbid that might lose possession.

As effective as pressing and passing is, I find it quite tedious and boring.

As in all facets of life now, individuality has been eradicated in favour of homogenised mediocrity.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 hours ago, rigger said:

So it took Mowbray a full season to realise that the system he was trying to implement, was no good in the league his team were playing in ?

How long has it taken him to learn what I learnt at 16. You set up your way of playing to suit the skill set of the players in the team.

[simongarnerisgod]

47 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

 

Unfortunately those types of player are not encouraged in the game any more.

I think the way they coach players now there is no tolerance of players taking someone on and beating them. Heavens forbid that might lose possession.

As effective as pressing and passing is, I find it quite tedious and boring.

As in all facets of life now, individuality has been eradicated in favour of homogenised mediocrity.

good point,the maverick and individuality are definately  long dead species😒,as much as man city win games,they don`t half bore me to death,i much prefer tuechels chelsea

[Spartakfenni]

1 hour ago, rigger said:

Same as what happened to 4-2-4

I remember 2 full backs  2 centre half’s and 5 forwards. Those where the days!

[chaddyrovers]

19 hours ago, Upside Down said:

Whatever happened to good old 442 getting it down the channels and banging it into the box? Those were the days. 

The vast majority of managers/head coaches at Championship prefer to have 3 centre backs with wing backs. or playing 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 formation now. 

[SBlue]

100% surpassing my expectations this season.

Well done Tony, keep it up please.

[matt83]

For those people who say (not on here really) it’s easy to pile on abuse of the manager whist in the middle of a death spiral. Even in 4th Tony Mowbray is a shit manager and will get rovers to no higher than mid table mediocrity probably no higher than 11th.

Mowbray out 

[Spartakfenni]

4 minutes ago, matt83 said:

For those people who say (not on here really) it’s easy to pile on abuse of the manager whist in the middle of a death spiral. Even in 4th Tony Mowbray is a shit manager and will get rovers to no higher than mid table mediocrity probably no higher than 11th.

Mowbray out 

I’m praying you’re wrong. Waiting for the death spiral in Jan for a cheeky bet on making the playoffs 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

17 minutes ago, Spartakfenni said:

I’m praying you’re wrong. Waiting for the death spiral in Jan for a cheeky bet on making the playoffs 

Well they’ve managed to ruin Xmas for us over the last few seasons but today’s result  has made my day. I’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.

[tomphil]

We might have a bad run or two but as long as everyone remains fit i don't think this young team has a real 1 win in 10 death spiral in it. Unless he reverts to type and reels them in or changes back to possession crap i think they'll keep bouncing back from set backs.

With shackles of a squad full of defensive mids finally thrown off and trying to please a host of more experienced players just picking up wages this side has more spirit and hunger about it.  Also good a player as Armstrong was it was all about being tailored to him the last few seasons.  Far too rigid but now there's some flexibility to it and Mowbrays constant inter changing of systems and players is having a better effect.

He's had pelters at times and a lot of it justified by he seems to have the handle on this young squad. Maybe because a lot of egos have been removed, not by his choice but he's benefiting from it so far.

Edited November 27, 2021 by tomphil

[Wheelton Blue]

10 minutes ago, tomphil said:

We might have a bad run or two but as long as everyone remains fit i don't think this young team has a real 1 win in 10 death spiral in it. Unless he reverts to type and reels them in or changes back to possession crap i think they'll keep bouncing back from set backs.

With shackles of a squad full of defensive mids finally thrown off and trying to please a host of more experienced players just picking up wages this side has more spirit and hunger about it.  Also good a player as Armstrong was it was all about being tailored to him the last few seasons.  Far too rigid but now there's some flexibility to it and Mowbrays constant inter changing of systems and players is having a better effect.

He's had pelters at times and a lot of it justified by he seems to have the handle on this young squad. Maybe because a lot of egos have been removed, not by his choice but he's benefiting from it so far.

If - and it's a big if - the penny has dropped with him, it's taken far too long. At least 2 wasted seasons IMO.

It's hard to knock him at the moment though. Up to 4th....who would have thought?!

If he continues to keep it simple, we stay lucky with injuries, Brereton keeps scoring etc, then we've got a chance.

[ben_the_beast]

If Mowbray had been replaced in the summer and we were performing like we are now under his replacement we would be praising them to the heavens. 

I do think its been stumbled on to an extent and I'm very cautious in my optimism as we have all been here before. Conditioned by failure. As it stands though, in this current moment Mowbray is getting a lot of things right. Tactical genius he isn't, but even crap managers have seen success in their careers by simply recognising they've stumbled upon something good and knowing not to go and mess with it. 

In saying that it'd be amiss to slate him in the middle of a death spiral and put it down to luck when we are winning. He's clearly got the players playing for each other and for him. So credit where it is due. To say its taken me by surprise is an understatement though.

[Upside Down]

It's best to reserve judgement until much later in the season.

However us football fans tend to be an all or nothing bunch ploughing all our emotions into either red or black on the weekly roulette wheel that is club football.

[Tom]

There’s been some lows this season but you cannot argue with the league position, not a single one of us expected to be up in 4th at this point I imagine.

For me he would have gone at the end of the season but he didn’t and is on track to deliver actual progress.

I have no real hope of actually going up but if we are there or around the pack we have that chance 

[Sparks Rover]

14 minutes ago, Wood26 said:

The way I see Mowbray, he’s a club legend

Is he fuck as like.🙄

2nd, pathetic should have pissed that league

Edited November 28, 2021 by Sparks Rover

[Wood26]

1 minute ago, Sparks Rover said:

Is he fuck as like.🙄

Of course he is.

Look at us before him. He almost kept us up, convinced Venkys to keep the likes of Graham and Mulgrew, got us promoted from league 1.

That promotion in its self is legend status, look at the clubs that can’t get out of that league. If we didn’t do it that first season, I don’t think we would be out of it now.

[Wood26]

On 25/11/2021 at 03:37, JacknOry said:

Like the way you have omitted the other 5 mil spent on another striker.

Downing was not our best player, but was good first season yes, second season? Ayala was injured first season and so far been good this - when fit.

Brereton took 3 seasons to finally come good - not a good way to spend 7mil when we needed strenghtening around the team. Im thrilled he is starting to come good but this is not my point. 

Gallagher at 5 million is fair. This isn’t the 90’s, that’s not a lot of money for a striker. Has it paid off? Not really, but the same manager signed Armstrong for 1.5 million and Dack for 750k so you take the good and the bad don’t you?

Yes Ayala was injured, was a risk with his record, but we didn’t sign him on a 1 year deal did we? And this season he has been immense, so a great signing.

Yes Brereton took a while to come good, but he has come good. And he’s 22. Just like Armstrong, our club has done really well in buying young talent that we can sell on for a big fee. 
 

Whilst you expect everyone we buy to be a world beater from the off, that’s not how football at our level works.

[Mike E]

Legend, my arse!

That word is for Crompton, Dalglish, Clayton, Douglas, Shearer, Hendry, Tugay.

Mowbray isn't even a David Dunn.

[Spartakfenni]

6 hours ago, Wood26 said:

Of course he is.

Look at us before him. He almost kept us up, convinced Venkys to keep the likes of Graham and Mulgrew, got us promoted from league 1.

That promotion in its self is legend status, look at the clubs that can’t get out of that league. If we didn’t do it that first season, I don’t think we would be out of it now.

I agree with Sparks, what has he done so for? Winning promotion from a 3rd rate league with the largest budget in that league, AND only finishing 2nd! Gordon, and Howard did it when we didn’t have a pot to piss in. Now that’s what I call legends.

[Upside Down]

7 minutes ago, Mike E said:

Legend, my arse!

That word is for Crompton, Dalglish, Clayton, Douglas, Shearer, Hendry, Tugay.

Mowbray isn't even a David Dunn.

No love for Tony Parks then?

[Spartakfenni]

7 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

No love for Tony Parks then?

More than a legend, he’s a god. Keep going Tony we all love you.

[Mike E]

8 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

No love for Tony Parks then?

None whatsoever, never heard of the bloke.

Tony Parkes, however...

[Upside Down]

6 minutes ago, Mike E said:

None whatsoever, never heard of the bloke.

Tony Parkes, however...

I stand corrected.

[chaddyrovers]

Mowbray and the players deserved huge credit for our league postion and results this season. We are performing in most games. Fulham game annoyed me and a lack of apology from anyone at the club was wrong. But since then they are improving and getting better. 

I think Mowbray need a smaller squad then his mind doesn't over think situations and can't make 4 or 5 changes each game. 

Plus the team spirit I think we have can take us to playoffs.