Tony Mowbray Discussion

[47er]

7 hours ago, Wood26 said:

Of course he is.

Look at us before him. He almost kept us up, convinced Venkys to keep the likes of Graham and Mulgrew, got us promoted from league 1.

That promotion in its self is legend status, look at the clubs that can’t get out of that league. If we didn’t do it that first season, I don’t think we would be out of it now.

We had impetus from that League 1 promotion but he dissipated it. Those next 2 seasons were diabolical.

And if you don't agree---look at the attendances, fans have voted with their feet.

[matt83]

A legend?!?! Jesus wept. A relegation, a division 3 promotion and mid table championship finishes never cracking the top 10 while being allowed to run the club at a £20 million loss every season. Swipes at fans and inciting fan on fan altercations. That’s a very low bar for legend status. At best he’s the leader of some peculiar cult following.   

[Spartakfenni]

He’ll never be a club legend while I’ve got a hole in my arse.

[Mashed Potatoes]

The wisdom of the club in keeping Mowbray as manager is becoming more evident by the day with the players responding to the environment that he has created within the club. Opting for the faded has beens like Warnock, McCarthy, Hughton, Hughes would have been a big mistake.

[chaddyrovers]

9 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

The wisdom of the club in keeping Mowbray as manager is becoming more evident by the day with the players responding to the environment that he has created within the club. Opting for the faded has beens like Warnock, McCarthy, Hughton, Hughes would have been a big mistake.

Mowbray should stay for the rest of the season and we should review his performance and whether he should get a new contract after the season has ended. 

[rigger]

1 hour ago, Mike E said:

Legend, my arse!

That word is for Crompton, Dalglish, Clayton, Douglas, Shearer, Hendry, Tugay.

Mowbray isn't even a David Dunn.

Mowbray isn't even in the same league as Furphy, Lee. Kendal.

[Sparks Rover]

8 hours ago, Wood26 said:

He almost kept us up,

What a legend almost keeping us up.  He had virtually three quarter of a season.

I've heard it all now.🙈

[Mashed Potatoes]

23 minutes ago, Sparks Rover said:

What a legend almost keeping us up.  He had virtually three quarter of a season.

I've heard it all now.🙈

If this is a reference to Mowbray in the 2016-17 season he had 15 of the 46 games which is less than a third !

[Sparks Rover]

4 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

If this is a reference to Mowbray in the 2016-17 season he had 15 of the 46 games which is less than a third !

We finished down on goal difference and 4 points off 15th place...Mogadon fucked it up the legend 

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

The wisdom of the club in keeping Mowbray as manager is becoming more evident by the day with the players responding to the environment that he has created within the club. Opting for the faded has beens like Warnock, McCarthy, Hughton, Hughes would have been a big mistake.

3 things here, it looks to me like hes been told to pull his finger out, not before time. A little bit of pressure does no harm now and again.

Hes had his favourites and stalwarts ejected in order to slash the budget. His methods have been notorious in trying to keep his seniors and pals happy. That has been taken out of his hands and he's able to be more of a managerial figure to the young players.

I agree he uses his experience to create a good enviroment by integrating good characters. He did it in the league one season. A rebuild has been long overdue and a new pecking order is now naturally creating itself. One not dictated by who's on the biggest contract or closest to the manager etc.

 

[Gav]

9 hours ago, Wood26 said:

The way I see Mowbray, he’s a club legend for getting us out of league one and making the team and fans on the same page after a few years of distain.

Brilliant 😂

I actually agree with some of your posts Wood26, but that comment is stretching it by miles, you hooked a few though, congratulations. 

What I would say is he'll be remembered fondly in our house for the promotion season from league 1. Just like Kendal and Gordon Lee, who also achieved promotion from league 1. We haven't had many promotions in my time supporting the club, I'll never take them for granted, great night:

 

Edited November 28, 2021 by Gav

[tomphil]

Legendary status is only granted over time when looked back on. He looked anything but a legend before this season.

 how it ends is often more telling than how it started.

[Wheelton Blue]

2 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

The wisdom of the club in keeping Mowbray as manager is becoming more evident by the day with the players responding to the environment that he has created within the club. Opting for the faded has beens like Warnock, McCarthy, Hughton, Hughes would have been a big mistake.

Unless the miracle of promotion happens at the end of the season, Mowbray will likely - and should - be gone.

He'd then be viewed as being in the same group as those which you mention. A faded has-been.

[matt83]

Warnock 7 promotions 2 more recently to the top fight than Mowbray. Hughton 2 promotions to the prem more recently than Mowbray. McCarthy 2 promotions to the prem 1 more recently than Mowbray. Hughes 10-15 years managing in the top flight and international pedigree.

If they’re faded has beens I’ve no idea what Mowbray is and indeed was after nearly a decade of managerial failures before his pleasantly surprising albeit average stint at rovers. 

[Bad Boy]

2 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

The wisdom of the club in keeping Mowbray as manager is becoming more evident by the day with the players responding to the environment that he has created within the club. Opting for the faded has beens like Warnock, McCarthy, Hughton, Hughes would have been a big mistake.

TM is doing an excellent job under challenging circumstances.  The team spirit is amazing.  Well done Tony and long may it continue 💪 

[Wheelton Blue]

14 minutes ago, Bad Boy said:

TM is doing an excellent job under challenging circumstances.  The team spirit is amazing.  Well done Tony and long may it continue 💪 

Absolutely, long may it continue,

Let's be honest though, Mowbray is lucky to still be employed after wasting at least 2 seasons, and there's always the likelihood that he'll revert to type at some point.

However, it would be churlish not to praise him at the current time. 4th place is way beyond what most of us thought he was capable of.

The best thing to do is enjoy the ride while it lasts.

[Spartakfenni]

56 minutes ago, matt83 said:

Warnock 7 promotions 2 more recently to the top fight than Mowbray. Hughton 2 promotions to the prem more recently than Mowbray. McCarthy 2 promotions to the prem 1 more recently than Mowbray. Hughes 10-15 years managing in the top flight and international pedigree.

If they’re faded has beens I’ve no idea what Mowbray is and indeed was after nearly a decade of managerial failures before his pleasantly surprising albeit average stint at rovers. 

It’s in the past that’s why they are has beens. Just like Mowbray. We need a young dynamic manager. Move Mowbray upstairs and let Johnson have the gig.

[Darrenbot]

6 hours ago, Mike E said:

None whatsoever, never heard of the bloke.

Tony Parkes, however...

Tony Parks is a Spurs legend, he saved their winning penalty in the 1984 Uefa Cup final.

[Roverinbelfast]

8 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Absolutely, long may it continue,

Let's be honest though, Mowbray is lucky to still be employed after wasting at least 2 seasons, and there's always the likelihood that he'll revert to type at some point.

However, it would be churlish not to praise him at the current time. 4th place is way beyond what most of us thought he was capable of.

The best thing to do is enjoy the ride while it lasts.

Wasting 2 seasons is a myth that some churn out. Normally the very people who have backed themselves into such an anti Mowbray corner they can no longer give him credit for anything, be it good transfer business or and excellent start to this season. This is how I see it and I know and have spoke to many others who agree. (not on this board) 

Season 1 (half season). A team that coyle had all but relegated. Chalked up points with an awful squad and took it to the last day only to go down on GD. Gallant effort but not his fault. 

Season 2 - automatic promotion. Job done. 

Season 3 - very good first season back. Never in danger of going down or not good enough to challenge to go up. Mid table. Happy enough 

Season 4. Overhaul of the squad begins, mulgrew etc out, again. Mid table but slightly better points total (progress none the less) 

Season 5. Big squad assembled. Expectations rose to play offs bare minimum. Decent start but hit a horrific death spiral. The infamous 2 in 17 was simply not good enough and he should have walked / left at the end of the season. 

Season 6. Major cuts to the playing squad due to ffp and the covid pandemic hitting income. All fans still pee'd off his still here. Maybe he had enough credit in the bank with the owners to give it one last go. 

Great start to the season. Flirting with the playoffs and looking stronger game by game (TBC) 

 

Edited November 28, 2021 by Roverinbelfast
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[Wheelton Blue]

1 hour ago, Roverinbelfast said:

Wasting 2 seasons is a myth that some churn out. Normally the very people who have back led themselves onto such an anti Mowbray corner they can no longer give him credit for anything, be it good transfer business or and excellent start to this season. This is who I see it and I'd I know and have spoke to many others who agree. (not on this board) 

Season 1 (half season). A team that coyle had all but relegated. Chalked up with points with an awful squad and took it to the last day only to go down on points. Gallant effort but not his fault. 

Season 2 - automatic promotion. Job done. 

Season 3 - very good first season back. Never in danger of going down or not good enough to challenge to go up. Mid table. Happy enough 

Season 4. Overhaul of the squad begins, mulgrew etc out, again. Mid table but slightly better points total (progress none the less) 

Season 5. Big squad assembled. Expectations rose to play offs bare minimum. Decent start but hit a horrific death spiral. The infamous 2 in 17 was simply not good enough and he should have walked / left at the end of the season. 

Season 6. Major cuts to the playing squad die to ffp and the covid hitting income. All fans still pee'd off his still here. Maybe he had enough credit in the bank with the owners to give it one last go. 

Great start to the season. Flirting with the playoffs and looking stronger game by game (TBC) 

 

It's not a myth, it's fact.

15th, 10th, 15th finishes shows no progression. Therefore, a waste.

Everything else - FFP and Covid for example - is just excuses.

As I've said elsewhere, however, it would be churlish not to praise him for this season thus far. He's far surpassed my expectations.

 

[Mattyblue]

Would he have gone at a normal club last season? Yes, he had lost the plot big time towards the end and even he was pretty much asking for his P45 in interviews.

But we aren’t normal, so all you can do is hope he learns from his mistakes - and he has us 4th going into December with a pretty small and young squad. 

You can only say kudos to the job he is doing this term, he has a hell of a lot of flaws, but he obviously has a knack of galvanising a tight unit of young lads and having them running through brick walls for him and their teammates.

Is there a decision to be made at the end of the season? Yes, especially as we usually tend to fall away in the new year and revert to the mediocre mean, but he’s obviously safe as houses until at least May, so let’s just hope he continues with his back to basics approach.

Edited November 28, 2021 by Mattyblue

[1864roverite]

I think a difference might just be the solid platform we currently stand on. 33 points already in the bag, scoring goals, keeping clean sheets and watching that team embracing each other says there is a fantastic team spirit within. It’s not all bad at the club.

seems to me any apathy isn’t within the playing department 👍

Long may it continue 

[Roverinbelfast]

3 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

It's not a myth, it's fact.

15th, 10th, 15th finishes shows no progression. Therefore, a waste.

Everything else - FFP and Covid for example - is just excuses.

As I've said elsewhere, however, it would be churlish not to praise him for this season thus far. He's far surpassed my expectations.

 

15 to 10 is progress. If we had of continued in that fashion we would have finished 5th the following season. 

We didn't and I have freely admitted he should have gone after last season. But he didn't, as said maybe his previous work gave him enough credit in the bank to have one last shot this season 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, Roverinbelfast said:

15 to 10 is progress. If we had of continued in that fashion we would have finished 5th the following season. 

We didn't and I have freely admitted he should have gone after last season. But he didn't, as said maybe his previous work gave him enough credit in the bank to have one last shot this season 

"Previous work?"

2 pretty poor and one very poor finish in my book.

Delighted with this season however. Completely the opposite of what I expected and I've always said if we go up I don't mind who's in charge, be it Kean, Coyle or now Mowbray.

No matter what happens on the pitch I'll never forgive him and Waggott for attempting to flog off part of Brockhall though.

 

[FortressEwood]

13 hours ago, matt83 said:

A legend?!?! Jesus wept. A relegation, a division 3 promotion and mid table championship finishes never cracking the top 10 while being allowed to run the club at a £20 million loss every season. Swipes at fans and inciting fan on fan altercations. That’s a very low bar for legend status. At best he’s the leader of some peculiar cult following.   

A relegation ensured by Coyle

A squad rebuild bringing through many Academy lads. Now 4th, 1 point behind 3rd

Compared to the 5 or 6 years before he arrived we are now a steady ship.

Yes, legend. You are on the wrong side of history.

 

Edited November 28, 2021 by FortressEwood