Tony Mowbray Discussion

[chaddyrovers]

5 hours ago, Mellor Rover said:

How I read that chaddy is you’d rather sign a manager with no promotion experience, than one with. 
 

Both Hughton and Jokanovic are streets ahead of Mowbray, using their only example of past ‘failures’ is easy to do. 

Why Hughton? Lost his last job at Forest? He was disaster. Cooper has gone there and get them in promotion chase

Jokanovic was awful at Sheffield United and wasn't able to get tune out of the players or a formation that suits the players. Heckingbottom has turned it around there and get them in promotion chase. 

So why them? 

There is a few managers I would be looking at. But those 2 wouldn't be on my shortlist for sure

Edited February 22, 2022 by chaddyrovers

[Paul Mellelieu]

7 hours ago, Mercer said:

After 5 years, we have only just broken through to the top six.

5 years is an eternity in football and I think Mowbray's tenure on the whole has been uninspiring.  For me, too many 'death spirals', turgid football, indifferent signings (yes there have been good ones but also number wise, far more dross).  I think Mowbray's body language at times in the second half of last season left much to be desired and came across to me as 'couldn't care less'. 

In my book, would be a huge mistake to keep him on whether we finish below sixth, in the top six or achieve automatic promotion. 

In my opinion. a very average manager who was rescued from football's managerial scrap heap and has been amply rewarded.

Time to move on if we want to REALLY move forward.

So if we get automatic promotion, sack him.  Sums you up fella.  

[JHRover]

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Why Hughton? Lost his last job at Forest? He was disaster. Cooper has gone there and get them in promotion chase

Jokanovic was awful at Sheffield United and wasn't able to get tune out of the players or a formation that suits the players. Heckingbottom has turned it around there and get them in promotion chase. 

So why them? 

There is a few managers I would be looking at. But those 2 wouldn't be on my shortlist for sure

And Heckingbottom was rubbish at Hibs and Leeds. Mowbray was rubbish at Celtic and Coventry. Karanka took over from Mowbray at Middlesbrough and got them promoted.

Warburton binned at Forest and average at QPR for a couple of years but has them in the promotion mix now.

Karl Robinson and Gareth Ainsworth modern up and coming managers who in 20+ years between them have had 2 seasons in the Championship and been relegated in each.

Lets look through the Championship. The only managers who don't have a 'failure' on their CV are those who haven't been doing the job very long. 

Wilder left Sheff Utd after a horrendous run of form. Still a very good manager thriving at Middlesbrough.

Daniel Farke just sacked at Norwich after pitiful results. No doubt he'd be ok.

Dyche won 2 games in nearly a year at Burnley yet he's great.

Managers fit clubs and circumstances. A poor job in the past doesn't mean they are finished or yesterdays men. Nor does an unblemished CV for a relative rookie or bloke who has only had 1 job and never tested himself elsewhere mean he's great.

[davulsukur]

Next 3 games will define him and the season looking at it. 

Sheff Utd, QPR and Fulham, by then we'll know if he's really got it in him to do anything at Rovers but I wouldn't even consider offering him a new contract until the season is over.

I suspect after those games, we will be pointing towards a good run at the end of the season to get us back into the playoffs. 

Mowbray has definitely brought about good stability and spirit to the team and way beyond the Chaos that Coyle left behind but like Bowyer before him, he doesn't have or is unable to instill, a proper winning mentality into the squad. We concede first and we cannot turn a game around, it's a draw at best but more likely a loss. Any ruthlessness we have only appears in purple patches but more often than not, even when teams give us an advantage (either by giving us the ball or having a player sent off) we don't/can't capitalise on it.

He's done well to get us back on a decent footing, brining some good, young players into the squad but he's never getting us to where we need to be.

This season is the best chance we've had of getting promoted and you can already feel it slipping away from us.

[Mercer]

13 minutes ago, Paul Mellelieu said:

So if we get automatic promotion, sack him.  Sums you up fella.  

No room for starry eyed sentiment in football.

Many a team have been relegated working on the adage of 'the players were good enough to get us promoted and will be good enough to keep us there'!

The same applies to managers.  Mowbray took WBA to the PL then finished rock bottom. 

If he gets us up, he will have been amply rewarded financially.  Need to be bold and brave, thank Mowbray for his services  and then  appoint a manager better equipped to keep us there.

Think you know it makes sense................................

Edited February 22, 2022 by Mercer

[chaddyrovers]

59 minutes ago, JHRover said:

And Heckingbottom was rubbish at Hibs and Leeds. Mowbray was rubbish at Celtic and Coventry. Karanka took over from Mowbray at Middlesbrough and got them promoted.

Warburton binned at Forest and average at QPR for a couple of years but has them in the promotion mix now.

Karl Robinson and Gareth Ainsworth modern up and coming managers who in 20+ years between them have had 2 seasons in the Championship and been relegated in each.

Lets look through the Championship. The only managers who don't have a 'failure' on their CV are those who haven't been doing the job very long. 

Wilder left Sheff Utd after a horrendous run of form. Still a very good manager thriving at Middlesbrough.

Daniel Farke just sacked at Norwich after pitiful results. No doubt he'd be ok.

Dyche won 2 games in nearly a year at Burnley yet he's great.

Managers fit clubs and circumstances. A poor job in the past doesn't mean they are finished or yesterdays men. Nor does an unblemished CV for a relative rookie or bloke who has only had 1 job and never tested himself elsewhere mean he's great.

Farke has got a new job in Russia. 

Of course plenty of Championship managers has some sort of failure on their CV. 

But if you look at what I said I want I want a manager/head coach who is training ground coaches who has modern ideas and good tactical. Steve Cooper would be ideal man but no ain't leaving Forest to come here. There is a few I would look at out there. 

[Mattyblue]

7 hours ago, Mercer said:

No room for starry eyed sentiment in football.

Many a team have been relegated working on the adage of 'the players were good enough to get us promoted and will be good enough to keep us there'!

The same applies to managers.  Mowbray took WBA to the PL then finished rock bottom. 

If he gets us up, he will have been amply rewarded financially.  Need to be bold and brave, thank Mowbray for his services  and then  appoint a manager better equipped to keep us there.

Think you know it makes sense................................

And when has that ever actually happened, anywhere?

This place is great for all these fantasy land scenarios..

[JHRover]

8 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

I want a manager/head coach who is training ground coaches who has modern ideas and good tactical. 

What is one of those?

Do all managers/head coaches not work on the training ground?

How do you measure or determine if someone has 'modern ideas'?

[martonrover]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

And when has that ever actually happened, anywhere?

This place is great for all these fantasy land scenarios..

It's never happened prior to the following season, but a club which has switched on people running the show will discard a manager quickly if an immediate relegation looks likely.

Unfortunately, I don't think we will have to worry about this in the Summer, anyway, (hope I'm wrong).

[Mattyblue]

Of course clubs often pot managers if they start badly in the higher division, but it’s a bit daft trying to get a conversation going on alternative scenarios that never, ever happen…

[chaddyrovers]

26 minutes ago, JHRover said:

What is one of those?

Do all managers/head coaches not work on the training ground?

How do you measure or determine if someone has 'modern ideas'?

Didn't I name you Steve Cooper. Another one Steven Gerrard. 

Some do some don't. Maybe more now 10 or 15 years ago. 

Just look at coaching methods Gerrard had at Villa. Where he has coaches specialise in working with defenders or midfielders or strikers. 

Everytime we see the same old names like Warnock or Hughton or McCarthy for example to replace Mowbray. It's time we moved on from this type of names and look for younger manager who has had some success in his career and will develop young players as this one of key area of the club. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Jury still out on Gerrard. I think hes in the stylish and loved  by the media category with Lampard. Gerrard won one trophy in 3 years at Ranger, when Celtic eventually ran out of steam and had an awful season. His start at Villa has been hit and miss, at best. 

Cooper seems decent alright 

[Gav]

4 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Jury still out on Gerrard. I think hes in the stylish and loved  by the media category with Lampard. Gerrard won one trophy in 3 years at Ranger, when Celtic eventually ran out of steam and had an awful season. His start at Villa has been hit and miss, at best. 

Cooper seems decent alright 

I think you're understating Gerrards time at Rangers Bigs, what he achieved and where they came from in such a short space of time was remarkable. I must admit I was shocked, I was writing him off as a manager before he even started, how that voice/dour demeanour inspires anyone us beyond me, but thats why I'm not employed in football!

Edited February 23, 2022 by Gav

[tomphil]

Thing is with Gerrard he come across as single minded and driven i bet he can be ruthless. He was a hard competitor on the pitch and despite all the media fluff and love that gets poured on Liverpool he could be a nasty git when needed.

Unlike Lampard i don't think he's too bothered if everyone likes him outside of his club. Strikes me that's the kind of things you need to be a decent manager.

How he is tactically iv'e no idea though but he isn't in the pub league now so it's a new learning curve.

[Dan]

15 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Thing is with Gerrard he come across as single minded and driven i bet he can be ruthless. He was a hard competitor on the pitch and despite all the media fluff and love that gets poured on Liverpool he could be a nasty git when needed.

Unlike Lampard i don't think he's too bothered if everyone likes him outside of his club. Strikes me that's the kind of things you need to be a decent manager.

How he is tactically iv'e no idea though but he isn't in the pub league now so it's a new learning curve.

Just make sure you let him put his Phil Collins CD on before the match or there’ll be hell to pay! 😂

[Bigdoggsteel]

5 hours ago, Gav said:

I think you're understating Gerrards time at Rangers Bigs, what he achieved and where they came from in such a short space of time was remarkable. I must admit I was shocked, I was writing him off as a manager before he even started, how that voice/dour demeanour inspires anyone us beyond me, but thats why I'm not employed in football!

Remarkable? How so? 

[K-Hod]

4 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Remarkable? How so? 

When Gerrard went to Rangers, they were miles behind Celtic. He not only closed that gap, but he also overtook Celtic, convincingly, too.

Time will tell if he’s a top tier manager or not, but you’d do well to find a Villa fan that’s upset he was appointed….

[Bigdoggsteel]

6 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

When Gerrard went to Rangers, they were miles behind Celtic. He not only closed that gap, but he also overtook Celtic, convincingly, too.

Time will tell if he’s a top tier manager or not, but you’d do well to find a Villa fan that’s upset he was appointed….

I don't think you understand the situation. Celtic were under serious pressure to win that one ,10 in a row, and burnt out/ran out of steam/buckled under the pressure. Made a bad managerial appointment and he capitalized. It was inevitable Rangers would eventually win one. Who else was going to? 

I know a few that support villa and they were excited at the start and with his drawing power. Results very mixed so far though. 

Time will tell 

[K-Hod]

8 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I don't think you understand the situation. Celtic were under serious pressure to win that one ,10 in a row, and burnt out/ran out of steam/buckled under the pressure. Made a bad managerial appointment and he capitalized. It was inevitable Rangers would eventually win one. Who else was going to? 

I know a few that support villa and they were excited at the start and with his drawing power. Results very mixed so far though. 

Time will tell 

He still deserves credit though, even if as someone that’s admitted to being a Celtic fan would be loathed to, the title still needed to be won and he did.

[Bigdoggsteel]

6 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

He still deserves credit though, even if as someone that’s admitted to being a Celtic fan would be loathed to, the title still needed to be won and he did.

Ya, credit for winning it, but it's a pretty poor standard in Scotland. Jury is still out. 

[G Somerset Rover]

Another stunning club record under Mowbray:

five away games in a row without a goal.

And one goal in seven.

F*clking joke.

Edit: I believe it’s league games, not exclusive to away matches.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

People laughed when I said “ well at least we can’t be relegated “ about a month ago.

[davulsukur]

Play offs now completely out of our hands as Sheff Utd and Boro have a game in hand to overtake us. 

[simongarnerisgod]

swag well p****d off that his ticket offer is now as useless as his manager

[G Somerset Rover]

He hasn’t a clue what to do when we fall behind - whenever it happens the match is as good as over, even if the opposition score early. He also hasn’t a clue how to play against ten men. That’s two losses on the trot against ten men sides. It’s pitiful.