Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Mattyblue]

7 hours ago, Mercer said:

No room for starry eyed sentiment in football.

Many a team have been relegated working on the adage of 'the players were good enough to get us promoted and will be good enough to keep us there'!

The same applies to managers.  Mowbray took WBA to the PL then finished rock bottom. 

If he gets us up, he will have been amply rewarded financially.  Need to be bold and brave, thank Mowbray for his services  and then  appoint a manager better equipped to keep us there.

Think you know it makes sense................................

And when has that ever actually happened, anywhere?

This place is great for all these fantasy land scenarios..

[JHRover]

8 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

I want a manager/head coach who is training ground coaches who has modern ideas and good tactical. 

What is one of those?

Do all managers/head coaches not work on the training ground?

How do you measure or determine if someone has 'modern ideas'?

[martonrover]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

And when has that ever actually happened, anywhere?

This place is great for all these fantasy land scenarios..

It's never happened prior to the following season, but a club which has switched on people running the show will discard a manager quickly if an immediate relegation looks likely.

Unfortunately, I don't think we will have to worry about this in the Summer, anyway, (hope I'm wrong).

[Mattyblue]

Of course clubs often pot managers if they start badly in the higher division, but it’s a bit daft trying to get a conversation going on alternative scenarios that never, ever happen…

[chaddyrovers]

26 minutes ago, JHRover said:

What is one of those?

Do all managers/head coaches not work on the training ground?

How do you measure or determine if someone has 'modern ideas'?

Didn't I name you Steve Cooper. Another one Steven Gerrard. 

Some do some don't. Maybe more now 10 or 15 years ago. 

Just look at coaching methods Gerrard had at Villa. Where he has coaches specialise in working with defenders or midfielders or strikers. 

Everytime we see the same old names like Warnock or Hughton or McCarthy for example to replace Mowbray. It's time we moved on from this type of names and look for younger manager who has had some success in his career and will develop young players as this one of key area of the club. 

[Bigdoggsteel]

Jury still out on Gerrard. I think hes in the stylish and loved  by the media category with Lampard. Gerrard won one trophy in 3 years at Ranger, when Celtic eventually ran out of steam and had an awful season. His start at Villa has been hit and miss, at best. 

Cooper seems decent alright 

[Gav]

4 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Jury still out on Gerrard. I think hes in the stylish and loved  by the media category with Lampard. Gerrard won one trophy in 3 years at Ranger, when Celtic eventually ran out of steam and had an awful season. His start at Villa has been hit and miss, at best. 

Cooper seems decent alright 

I think you're understating Gerrards time at Rangers Bigs, what he achieved and where they came from in such a short space of time was remarkable. I must admit I was shocked, I was writing him off as a manager before he even started, how that voice/dour demeanour inspires anyone us beyond me, but thats why I'm not employed in football!

Edited February 23, 2022 by Gav

[tomphil]

Thing is with Gerrard he come across as single minded and driven i bet he can be ruthless. He was a hard competitor on the pitch and despite all the media fluff and love that gets poured on Liverpool he could be a nasty git when needed.

Unlike Lampard i don't think he's too bothered if everyone likes him outside of his club. Strikes me that's the kind of things you need to be a decent manager.

How he is tactically iv'e no idea though but he isn't in the pub league now so it's a new learning curve.

[Dan]

15 minutes ago, tomphil said:

Thing is with Gerrard he come across as single minded and driven i bet he can be ruthless. He was a hard competitor on the pitch and despite all the media fluff and love that gets poured on Liverpool he could be a nasty git when needed.

Unlike Lampard i don't think he's too bothered if everyone likes him outside of his club. Strikes me that's the kind of things you need to be a decent manager.

How he is tactically iv'e no idea though but he isn't in the pub league now so it's a new learning curve.

Just make sure you let him put his Phil Collins CD on before the match or there’ll be hell to pay! 😂

[Bigdoggsteel]

5 hours ago, Gav said:

I think you're understating Gerrards time at Rangers Bigs, what he achieved and where they came from in such a short space of time was remarkable. I must admit I was shocked, I was writing him off as a manager before he even started, how that voice/dour demeanour inspires anyone us beyond me, but thats why I'm not employed in football!

Remarkable? How so? 

[K-Hod]

4 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Remarkable? How so? 

When Gerrard went to Rangers, they were miles behind Celtic. He not only closed that gap, but he also overtook Celtic, convincingly, too.

Time will tell if he’s a top tier manager or not, but you’d do well to find a Villa fan that’s upset he was appointed….

[Bigdoggsteel]

6 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

When Gerrard went to Rangers, they were miles behind Celtic. He not only closed that gap, but he also overtook Celtic, convincingly, too.

Time will tell if he’s a top tier manager or not, but you’d do well to find a Villa fan that’s upset he was appointed….

I don't think you understand the situation. Celtic were under serious pressure to win that one ,10 in a row, and burnt out/ran out of steam/buckled under the pressure. Made a bad managerial appointment and he capitalized. It was inevitable Rangers would eventually win one. Who else was going to? 

I know a few that support villa and they were excited at the start and with his drawing power. Results very mixed so far though. 

Time will tell 

[K-Hod]

8 minutes ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

I don't think you understand the situation. Celtic were under serious pressure to win that one ,10 in a row, and burnt out/ran out of steam/buckled under the pressure. Made a bad managerial appointment and he capitalized. It was inevitable Rangers would eventually win one. Who else was going to? 

I know a few that support villa and they were excited at the start and with his drawing power. Results very mixed so far though. 

Time will tell 

He still deserves credit though, even if as someone that’s admitted to being a Celtic fan would be loathed to, the title still needed to be won and he did.

[Bigdoggsteel]

6 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

He still deserves credit though, even if as someone that’s admitted to being a Celtic fan would be loathed to, the title still needed to be won and he did.

Ya, credit for winning it, but it's a pretty poor standard in Scotland. Jury is still out. 

[G Somerset Rover]

Another stunning club record under Mowbray:

five away games in a row without a goal.

And one goal in seven.

F*clking joke.

Edit: I believe it’s league games, not exclusive to away matches.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

People laughed when I said “ well at least we can’t be relegated “ about a month ago.

[davulsukur]

Play offs now completely out of our hands as Sheff Utd and Boro have a game in hand to overtake us. 

[simongarnerisgod]

swag well p****d off that his ticket offer is now as useless as his manager

[G Somerset Rover]

He hasn’t a clue what to do when we fall behind - whenever it happens the match is as good as over, even if the opposition score early. He also hasn’t a clue how to play against ten men. That’s two losses on the trot against ten men sides. It’s pitiful.

[Armchair supporter supremo]

Ive Really been biting my tongue about shitty Mowbray the last month or so and giving him some (deserved) leeway due to the excellent form leading up to the new year and hoping that the last few weeks where just a blip, but naaa , its the first half or so of the season that was a blip, now its back to Tonys clueless ways and sadly also reaping the just deserts of another poor transfer window.

[Waggy76]

8 minutes ago, Armchair supporter supremo said:

Ive Really been biting my tongue about shitty Mowbray the last month or so and giving him some (deserved) leeway due to the excellent form leading up to the new year and hoping that the last few weeks where just a blip, but naaa , its the first half or so of the season that was a blip, now its back to Tonys clueless ways and sadly also reaping the just deserts of another poor transfer window.

The transfer window was a total non event , I think the owners made their ambitions for the club totally clear ...

[Mr. E]

We all knew the February death spiral was coming, we smelled it, we tasted it, and here it is. Full serving. You have a better chance at escaping gravity than Tony's death spiral. 

[Gav]

12 minutes ago, Waggy76 said:

The transfer window was a total non event , I think the owners made their ambitions for the club totally clear ...

Amen.

[RevidgeBlue]

He has to go now doesn't he? Try and salvage something out of the season. God only knows where the next goal is coming from let alone the next win.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Mattyblue]

No, of course he doesn’t go before the end of the season, not under any circumstances will that happen.

Why do it to yourself?