Tony Mowbray Discussion

[bazza]

13 minutes ago, Nuttall is lost said:

 

My choice would be Nuno Espirito Santo if he would come

We've had the playing staff full of Portugeezers before and it didn't work. That's what NES would do if he came.

[rigger]

3 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

No because the bad run started after Boro. 

The bad run started five years ago, it has just been interspurced with the odd good run.

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, JHRover said:

Robins is a similar manager to Mowbray IMO. Lots of good traits and steady away but will never be good enough for what we need to get to the PL. 

I'm not sure if or why Critchley would leave Blackpool to come here but even if he did he's not done anything other than what many others have done and got a side out of League One. How about Darren Ferguson?

Ainsworth and Warne have been relegated out of this league every time they have been in it. Great in League One, never done anything in the Championship.

Johnson has never managed. How does that qualify him to manage this great club?

All in all I think your list shows a complete lack of ambition and imagination, and for that reason is probably the sort of list that will get formed on Waggott's desk. Look local (in house) and look into the division below. Small time small scale mentality.

Even if this season ends in disappointment again, which it looks like it will, I would hope the club have got some determination/ambition to go one better next year.

I've given my shortlist but you haven't.

Is Darren Ferguson your choice?

Who on your ahortlist?

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roverandout said:

But if we finish top 6 and don't go up then what difference does it make if we finish outside top 6? It's still failure.  So u will reward failure.  That's been the trouble with venkys from day 1

Making the playoffs is significantly progress 

[SoldierMo]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Making the playoffs is significantly progress 

After bloody 5 years should be the least we should be getting

[rigger]

10 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Making the playoffs is significantly progress 

I don't believe it is. What you also have to take into account, is the quality of the other teams challenging for the play-offs. I think we have moved from underperforming, to holding our own. That is not good enough for me.

Edited February 26, 2022 by rigger

[Gav]

15 minutes ago, rigger said:

I don't believe it is. What you also have to take into account, is the quality of the other teams challenging for the play-offs.

Of course making the play offs is significant progress, we finished 15th last year, 11th the year before and 15th before that.

Above 11th is progress, 6th or above is significant progress.

 

Edited February 26, 2022 by Gav

[Mercer]

11 minutes ago, Gav said:

Of course making the play offs is significant progress, we finished 15th last year, 11th the year before and 15th before that.

Above 11th is progress, 6th or above is significant progress.

 

Nonsense.

Any club worth its salt will not have a five and a half year plan to go from bottom or close to bottom (when Mowbray arrived) to 11th.

At this rate, a fair few of us will never see Rovers in PL again.

Think Mowbray was taken from the managerial scrap heap and has been able to considerably top his pension pot up in a pressure free environment for over five years.  Nice work if you can get it..........................................

[Gav]

16 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Nonsense.

Any club worth its salt will not have a five and a half year plan to go from bottom or close to bottom (when Mowbray arrived) to 11th.

At this rate, a fair few of us will never see Rovers in PL again.

Think Mowbray was taken from the managerial scrap heap and has been able to considerably top his pension pot up in a pressure free environment for over five years.  Nice work if you can get it..........................................

The club isn't worth its salt, its run by morons.

Lets not forget, you wanted managerial heavyweights like Wee Doughie Freedman (who) and Wee Coyley at the club, well you got one of them and look at how that ended up, talk about robbing a living, he almost destroyed the club...

Give me Mowbray any day of the week over that idiot and if you're so upset about the wages Mowbray earns, you should have become a football manager, then you too could have topped up the pension on the Venky gravy train.

Edited February 26, 2022 by Gav

[Mercer]

18 minutes ago, Gav said:

The club isn't worth its salt, its run by morons.

Lets not forget, you wanted managerial heavyweights like Wee Doughie Freedman (who) and Wee Coyley at the club, well you got one of them and look at how that ended up, talk about robbing a living, he almost destroyed the club...

Give me Mowbray any day of the week over that idiot and if you're so upset about the wages Mowbray earns, you should have become a football manager, then you too could have topped up the pension on the Venky gravy train.

There you go again Gav.

When we had the managerial vacancy, I NEVER advocated the appointment of Coyley!

At least get your facts right.

[Gav]

6 minutes ago, Mercer said:

There you go again Gav.

When we had the managerial vacancy, I NEVER advocated the appointment of Coyley!

At least get your facts right.

That is some play on words Mercer, I'm not sure your defence would stand up in court 😉

Anyway, neither me or you can influence these moronic owners, we just have to hope they have actually got this managerial appointment right and he takes us up.

I'm sure you'll be happy to dish out the humble pie if that happens.

[Wheelton Blue]

17 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Dropping a couple of places is dropping like a stone now? 

Despite our bad run we still beat Boro didn't we? 

No wins in 5. 2 points taken. No goals scored.

That's hardly the form of a team in the ascendency, put it that way.

[K-Hod]

1 hour ago, Mercer said:

There you go again Gav.

When we had the managerial vacancy, I NEVER advocated the appointment of Coyley!

At least get your facts right.

Quick one- why do you call him Coyley? 
A mate of yours, is he?

[Armchair supporter supremo]

15 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Making the playoffs is significantly progress 

Well I hope you filled your boots and made the most of that "progress" because once Lenihan, Nyambe, Rothwell, Brereton, Van Hecke... and whoever else! leave in the summer we wont be left with much of a starting 11 at all.

Edited February 26, 2022 by Armchair supporter supremo

[Gav]

Made up for Mowbray today, he can’t do much once they cross that line, we have enough quality throughout that side to be sharing the goals around, we should be scoring more.

If we’d have run out 4-0 winners today it wouldn’t have flattered us, some outstanding performances in blue n white, we’re back on track.

 

Edited February 26, 2022 by Gav

[chaddyrovers]

5 hours ago, Wheelton Blue said:

No wins in 5. 2 points taken. No goals scored.

That's hardly the form of a team in the ascendency, put it that way.

Bournemouth had gone 6 games without win. Fulham 5 I believe from what I heard on Rovers today

[davulsukur]

5 hours ago, K-Hod said:

Quick one- why do you call him Coyley? 
A mate of yours, is he?

Did it mainly to wind everyone on here up, because he always ludicrously backed us to win 4-0, even though our manager was a certified plum-duff.

[tomphil]

Think he got it right today as imo second half we looked to draw them out a bit more instead of penning them in with possession football. Maybe it was just them growing in confidence a bit but i'll give him the credit and say it was something mentioned at half time.

Left Khadra and Dolan on for once when one or both often get hooked just when they are doing ok. Subs opened it up a bit and we should have killed it off.

Break out the darjeeling and extra double drizzle cake tonight Tone you've earned it.

[FortressEwood]

On 26/02/2022 at 09:15, Mercer said:

Nonsense.

Any club worth its salt will not have a five and a half year plan to go from bottom or close to bottom (when Mowbray arrived) to 11th.

At this rate, a fair few of us will never see Rovers in PL again.

Think Mowbray was taken from the managerial scrap heap and has been able to considerably top his pension pot up in a pressure free environment for over five years.  Nice work if you can get it..........................................

Don't be silly.
Look at Leeds. Relegated from the PL in 2004. 3 seasons in league 1. 16 years out of the PL.
It took them 10 seasons to get promoted to the PL after promotion from league 1.
The manager is doing a great job with the resources available to him.

Edited February 27, 2022 by FortressEwood

[roverandout]

1 hour ago, FortressEwood said:

Don't be silly.
Look at Leeds. Relegated from the PL in 2004. 3 seasons in league 1. 16 years out of the PL.
It took them 10 seasons to get promoted to the PL after promotion from league 1.
The manager is doing a great job with the resources available to him.

He has spent more money than most in thus league. He's underachieved given the lack of interference and the amount of money he's spent compared to alot of managers.  Great job isn't a word I would ever use with Mowbray.  What has Leeds got to do with it? Norwich and Southampton achieved back to back promotions so that's the other side of the coin. Though when I saw ur username I kind of guessed what u were going to write

Edited February 27, 2022 by roverandout

[Mattyblue]

And on the flip side grand old city clubs like Nottingham Forest and Sheffield Wednesday have been out of the top flight for going on 25 years. 

So I don’t see how this basket case of a club should have been expected to charge back to the PL with our budget and set up.

(Oh and as for ‘Rovers have spent more money than most’…. Sorry what ?!
A ridiculous comment.)

 

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by Mattyblue

[RoversClitheroe]

Makes a change Mowbray focussing on the positives and not the negatives with Khadra.

If it were an academy player it'd be a different story.

[Admiral Nelsen]

3 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Makes a change Mowbray focussing on the positives and not the negatives with Khadra.

If it were an academy player it'd be a different story.

 

Without wanting to go back and dig out the quotes, didn't he say that if he ever wants to play in the prem then he can't be missing chances like he did vs QPR?

 

Seems to me like he's very consistent in the way he talks about players. Talks up their good points, but (maybe a bit too much) does so in the same breath as bringing up the thing they need to work on.

 

Rothwell - looks amazing when running with the ball/needs more end product.

Nyambe - Unbelievable athlete/needs to offer more going forwards

Wharton - Really solid defender who can pick a pass/needed time away to 'become a man'

Gallagher - Can physically be a handful for defenders/needs to score more

Graham - Class finisher & target man/ not mobile enough to be play in the way that we wanted to at the time.

Buckley - Amazing technique & ability to weave out of challenges/ needs to put chances away when they come.

 

And you could go on. I think he only stops doing that when the form of a player is so good that it sounds churlish to say anything negative, i.e. Dack or Armstrong in their purple patches. 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 hour ago, Admiral Nelsen said:

 

Without wanting to go back and dig out the quotes, didn't he say that if he ever wants to play in the prem then he can't be missing chances like he did vs QPR?

 

Seems to me like he's very consistent in the way he talks about players. Talks up their good points, but (maybe a bit too much) does so in the same breath as bringing up the thing they need to work on.

 

Rothwell - looks amazing when running with the ball/needs more end product.

Nyambe - Unbelievable athlete/needs to offer more going forwards

Wharton - Really solid defender who can pick a pass/needed time away to 'become a man'

Gallagher - Can physically be a handful for defenders/needs to score more

Graham - Class finisher & target man/ not mobile enough to be play in the way that we wanted to at the time.

Buckley - Amazing technique & ability to weave out of challenges/ needs to put chances away when they come.

 

And you could go on. I think he only stops doing that when the form of a player is so good that it sounds churlish to say anything negative, i.e. Dack or Armstrong in their purple patches. 

Gallagher must be one of the least physical players for his size at the club. When has he been a “ handful “ ?  It reminds me of an American boxer being interviewed after knocking out a glass jawed British heavyweight in the first round. The Yank said “ I thought your guy was an awkward opponent “. The interviewer said “ How do you mean, awkward  ?” The Yank replied - “ When I knocked him out he fell over awkwardly ! “

[Admiral Nelsen]

28 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Gallagher must be one of the least physical players for his size at the club. When has he been a “ handful “ ?  It reminds me of an American boxer being interviewed after knocking out a glass jawed British heavyweight in the first round. The Yank said “ I thought your guy was an awkward opponent “. The interviewer said “ How do you mean, awkward  ?” The Yank replied - “ When I knocked him out he fell over awkwardly ! “

 

No arguments from me there! I'm just saying that Mowbray tends to give out praise and criticism to all players when he talks about them in the media. With Gally he's mentioned his physicality and having 'fantastic attributes', or something along those lines, whilst also saying that he needs to score more.

 

My point is that sometimes he's accused of unfairly digging out certain players in his interviews, but I think there's more of a pattern of him talking about good points and bad points at once, and that he does this for pretty much everyone.