Tony Mowbray Discussion

[den]

11 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

we don't play with main striker in the current formation. its that system that got us into top 6 and even a chance of playoffs. 

What’s a “main striker”? 
 

Every team plays - or tries to play - with goalscorers. We started the season with none but got lucky when Brereton stepped up. Then he got injured and here we are. Not one first team goalscorer to be seen anywhere.

Just bad luck?
 

 

[booth]

50 minutes ago, Gav said:

We would have bought Obafemi who we chased all summer, or long term target Maja if the money had been available tomphil, we simply got priced out of both deals, thats very clear. 

We signed Markanday for £500,000 and Hedges for £200,000. Brown, Giles and Zeefuick won't be working for free.

[Mercer]

Our next three fixtures are Bristol City (lost last 4 of last 5 and 19th) at home, Derby County (lost 3 of last 5 and 22nd) at home and Reading (6 points from last 5 games and 21st) away - we should be salivating..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

There can be no feckin excuses for not getting 9 points which could put us right back into contention for 2nd place.

IMO, only Mowbray can feck this up.

IF Mowbray gets his player selections right (and plays them where they should be) and his tactics right then it's a done deal - 9 points on the board.

Edited March 9, 2022 by Mercer

[G Somerset Rover]

5 minutes ago, Mercer said:

Our next three fixtures are Bristol City (lost last 4 of last 5 and 19th) at home, Derby County (lost 3 of last 5 and 22nd) at home and Reading (6 points from last 5 games and 21st) away - we should be salivating..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

There can be no feckin excuses for not getting 9 points which could put us right back into contention for 2nd place.

IMO, only Mowbray can feck this up.

IF Mowbray gets his player selections right (and plays them where they should be) and his tactics right then it's a done deal - 9 points on the board.

Who is scoring our three (minimum) goals over the next three matches then? Three points, let alone nine, is not a done deal when we’ve scored one in eight.

Edited March 9, 2022 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[booth]

19 minutes ago, den said:

What’s a “main striker”? 
 

Every team plays - or tries to play - with goalscorers. We started the season with none but got lucky when Brereton stepped up. Then he got injured and here we are. Not one first team goalscorer to be seen anywhere.

Just bad luck?
 

 

The we don't play with "main strikers" is such a bizarre argument.

If that's the case you buy midfielders who are good finishers.

In January TM didn't sign either. If TM wanted to continue to play that way in the knowledge that BBD could be injured or on international duty, he should have brought in the correct personnel. I think that's a fair comment.

Edited March 9, 2022 by booth

[RoversClitheroe]

51 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

we don't play with main striker in the current formation. its that system that got us into top 6 and even a chance of playoffs

And now it's been found out and we can't score a goal

 

[Gav]

22 minutes ago, booth said:

We signed Markanday for £500,000 and Hedges for £200,000. Brown, Giles and Zeefuick won't be working for free.

Maja was close to £3m+ wages I'm led to believe and Obafemi was out of our price range too.

2 strikers the manager has been chasing for a while, we couldn't afford either booth, thats all I'm saying.

 

[G Somerset Rover]

32 minutes ago, booth said:

The we don't play with "main strikers" is such a bizarre argument.

If that's the case you buy midfielders who are good finishers.

In January TM didn't sign either. If TM wanted to continue to play that way in the knowledge that BBD could be injured or on international duty, he should have brought in the correct personnel. I think that's a fair comment.

This is the statement that winds me up too. Just because we didn't need to mix things up from Nov-Dec, it was so obvious that we we would need a plan B from the turn of the year when results stuttered and the inevitable injuries begun to pile up. Just because we didn't play with an out and out striker before, doesn't mean we shouldn't have brought one in to compete, demand his place in the side, and you know, score those things called goals (which nobody else is capable of outside of BBD).

Let's not also forget that the likes of Hedges and Giles aren't used to playing as wide forwards. Giles has been playing LWB at Cardiff and Hedges is a true winger. Markanday was the big unknown, but until a few months ago he'd never played up front in his life either.

Edited March 9, 2022 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[47er]

33 minutes ago, booth said:

The we don't play with "main strikers" is such a bizarre argument.

The reason we don't play with main strikers is that we haven't got any! Because of Mowbray.

Its a circular argument and we seem to be running around in circles with no-one who can put the ball in the net!

[Wheelton Blue]

21 minutes ago, Gav said:

Maja was close to £3m+ wages I'm led to believe and Obafemi was out of our price range too.

2 strikers the manager has been chasing for a while, we couldn't afford either booth, thats all I'm saying.

 

If they were out of our price range, arguably it was a futile exercise chasing them in the first place.

[islander200]

23 minutes ago, Gav said:

Maja was close to £3m+ wages I'm led to believe and Obafemi was out of our price range too.

2 strikers the manager has been chasing for a while, we couldn't afford either booth, thats all I'm saying.

 

Maja only didn't join in the summer because he failed a medical, it had nothing to do with money.

Didn't Mowbray say he wasn't a target in January?Also he went to Stoke on loan not for 3 Million.

Obafemi didn't want to move up north again nothing to do with money.We reportedly agreed a fee for him he didn't even want to discuss terms with us.

[tomphil]

2 hours ago, Gav said:

We would have bought Obafemi who we chased all summer, or long term target Maja if the money had been available tomphil, we simply got priced out of both deals, thats very clear. 

Maja who was virtually signed last summer until he flunked the medical. A few months later we can't afford him but we could afford Hedges.....😂

Our plonkers have been pulled again in favour of utility men.

[glen9mullan]

Never said it before now, been patient, but sorry whatever the outcome this season its time for him to go, and take the idiots in the boardroom with him.

We have more than enough in the squad to beat Millwall at home, but team selection and tactics meant 1 point instead of 3.

He has done well in his time here, but cannot take us to the next level, and his interviews now are like a broken record

[Guest]

The XI on the pitch yesterday, in those positions and formation, were never going to score a goal. I called it from kick off. Doesn't matter how many chances you create when you have nobody who can score. And the muppet decided to play Dack in a meaningless friendly match the day before, when last night was crying out for him in the last 20 mins. I don't care if he's on one leg, no legs, no fecking arms, get him on the pitch and in the box.

[Gav]

1 hour ago, islander200 said:

Maja only didn't join in the summer because he failed a medical, it had nothing to do with money.

Didn't Mowbray say he wasn't a target in January?Also he went to Stoke on loan not for 3 Million.

Obafemi didn't want to move up north again nothing to do with money.We reportedly agreed a fee for him he didn't even want to discuss terms with us.

Summer deal was a loan, then Bordeaux slapped a hefty price tag on him.

As for Obefemi, we couldn't match the wages, it had nothing to do with moving North (Glad we never signed him, he looked awful against us even though he scored)

It all boils down to lack of funding and we are where we are sadly.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/blackburn-rovers-provided-transfer-update-on-23-year-old-striker/

It means the striker is an attractive proposition for anyone who wants to bring in a forward this month – and Blackburn continue to be linked with his services.

However, for any deal to be done during this window, it looks like Bordeaux want to get rid of the player permanently. The Lancashire Telegraph claims that they want some extra money this window and that the fee could be around £3m.

The issue is whether Blackburn are prepared to pay not just for his services full-time but to pay such a significant fee without a player sale.

 

Edited March 9, 2022 by Gav

[islander200]

5 minutes ago, Gav said:

Summer deal was a loan, then Bordeaux slapped a hefty price tag on him.

As for Obefemi, we couldn't match the wages, it had nothing to do with moving North (Glad we never signed him, he looked awful against us even though he scored)

It all boils down to lack of funding and we are where we are sadly.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/blackburn-rovers-provided-transfer-update-on-23-year-old-striker/

It means the striker is an attractive proposition for anyone who wants to bring in a forward this month – and Blackburn continue to be linked with his services.

However, for any deal to be done during this window, it looks like Bordeaux want to get rid of the player permanently. The Lancashire Telegraph claims that they want some extra money this window and that the fee could be around £3m.

The issue is whether Blackburn are prepared to pay not just for his services full-time but to pay such a significant fee without a player sale.

 

Maja joined Stoke City on loan in January.It didn't cost them 3 million.

[tomphil]

They could have found a striker on loan from somewhere had the desire been really there.

No point beating around the bush or throwing names around because they decided on utility men and hope for the best. Just plain facts i'm afraid backed up by various things the manager himself has said.

It's their call.

[davulsukur]

Just now, tomphil said:

They could have found a striker on loan from somewhere had the desire been really there.

No point beating around the bush or throwing names around because they decided on utility men and hope for the best. Just plain facts i'm afraid backed up by various things the manager himself has said.

It's their call.

Mowbray said in an interview after the window that we had the chance to sign a striker but opted not to because it's not the way we play.

Someone posted the link in the Millwall thread.

A decision that looks more and more insane as each goalless game passes.

[riverholmes]

I think it's fair to say that Mowbray doesn't know what he's doing, when it comes to the forwards. Things fell into shape for a while, but in the Fulham game, prior to the up turn, I believe that Buckley started as a right forward. Now we are experimenting with new full backs as wide forwards, reminiscent of the experiments with Clarkson and Poveda as lone No.10s.

Edited March 9, 2022 by riverholmes

[tomphil]

10 minutes ago, davulsukur said:

Mowbray said in an interview after the window that we had the chance to sign a striker but opted not to because it's not the way we play.

Someone posted the link in the Millwall thread.

A decision that looks more and more insane as each goalless game passes.

Exactly but it'll fall on deaf ears of those who don't want to know.

I'm no fan of the owners but they have provided several opportunities to sign another proper forward since last summer. Those running the team have looked clearly identified a few but decided to bin it off when they haven't come off. 

They and they alone have made the call to just get a few bods in and leave it at that and continue the mix and match policy hoping something comes off. Things could look a lot better if and when BBD and Dack are available but it might well be too late them.

Smart management would've taken some kind of insurance policy again when we were in such a good position. Even a cheap lump who can just go in the middle and cause problems would help. Might score one goal only but it could be a bloody important one. To never have that option in the ranks is ridiculous in this league if you seriously want to get out of it.

[roversfan99]

4 hours ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Other than the bid of £1.5m to Dembele?

We don't know the circumstances, whether it was reliant on a Rothwell sale for example. We will see if that fee is added to the summer budget. I suspect not.

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

More conspiracy theories there form yourself. 

We know that we made a 1.5 million for Dembele and we held talks with him. We also had 1.5 million bid for Styles accepted. Both in the public domain 

we don't play with main striker in the current formation. its that system that got us into top 6 and even a chance of playoffs. 

The Peterborough chairman confirmed the Dembele bid, how do you know for sure that a bid was accepted for Styles?

If there is any truth in it, that would tally up to my theory that they were the 2 players lined up by Mowbray with the Rothwell funds, before the owners stubbornness got in the way.

One thing that I called for in January was a forward that could play as a wide striker, so someone who could offer more of a goal threat without needing us to rip up the formation. I suppose armed with a budget of a twix and a curly wurly, that is a difficult task.

46 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

Never said it before now, been patient, but sorry whatever the outcome this season its time for him to go, and take the idiots in the boardroom with him.

We have more than enough in the squad to beat Millwall at home, but team selection and tactics meant 1 point instead of 3.

He has done well in his time here, but cannot take us to the next level, and his interviews now are like a broken record

Why is that "whatever the outcome this season?" Just off the back of one frustrating result against a side off the back of 5 wins? Why do interviews matter?

Surely there is no need for such rigid statements with 10 games to go. He has 10 games to go to prove that he can take us to the next level, now what that means may depend on the individual. I would probably argue that a top 6 finish regardless of what happens in the play offs has taken us to the next level, I don't think that will probably happen, but if it does, I am open minded to him staying, if not then im not. Equally, if people think the only way to show that we can go to the next level is actual promotion, if that happens, does he still go in your mind? Even though he would have proven what you said he cant do?

Also @J*B when trying to quote more than one post, when it says at the bottom to then quote them in an actual post, the box is usually impossible to press because of the placing of the adverts. Can that be changed?

[booth]

2 hours ago, Gav said:

Maja was close to £3m+ wages I'm led to believe and Obafemi was out of our price range too.

2 strikers the manager has been chasing for a while, we couldn't afford either booth, thats all I'm saying.

 

Whoever told you he’s at Stoke on £3m+ wages is winding you up.

[glen9mullan]

7 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

We don't know the circumstances, whether it was reliant on a Rothwell sale for example. We will see if that fee is added to the summer budget. I suspect not.

The Peterborough chairman confirmed the Dembele bid, how do you know for sure that a bid was accepted for Styles?

If there is any truth in it, that would tally up to my theory that they were the 2 players lined up by Mowbray with the Rothwell funds, before the owners stubbornness got in the way.

One thing that I called for in January was a forward that could play as a wide striker, so someone who could offer more of a goal threat without needing us to rip up the formation. I suppose armed with a budget of a twix and a curly wurly, that is a difficult task.

Why is that "whatever the outcome this season?" Just off the back of one frustrating result against a side off the back of 5 wins? Why do interviews matter?

Surely there is no need for such rigid statements with 10 games to go. He has 10 games to go to prove that he can take us to the next level, now what that means may depend on the individual. I would probably argue that a top 6 finish regardless of what happens in the play offs has taken us to the next level, I don't think that will probably happen, but if it does, I am open minded to him staying, if not then im not. Equally, if people think the only way to show that we can go to the next level is actual promotion, if that happens, does he still go in your mind? Even though he would have proven what you said he cant do?

Also @J*B when trying to quote more than one post, when it says at the bottom to then quote them in an actual post, the box is usually impossible to press because of the placing of the adverts. Can that be changed?

Its based on far more than last nights result. Since Xmas we've been very poor.

His transfer business has been suspect.

He has had a few seasons in the championship now, and even with a promotion the team would need major surgery to have any chance of staying up.

He is not the man to do that, im thankful of his efforts and have defended him to the hilt, but after 5 years its time for a change 

[roversfan99]

6 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

Its based on far more than last nights result. Since Xmas we've been very poor.

His transfer business has been suspect.

He has had a few seasons in the championship now, and even with a promotion the team would need major surgery to have any chance of staying up.

He is not the man to do that, im thankful of his efforts and have defended him to the hilt, but after 5 years its time for a change 

You said that he cant take us to the next level.

But are you now saying that if he did take us to the next level. Something which I would consider even to be making us a top 6 team, but even if you say it has to be promotion. He would be sacked anyway?

Any promoted Championship side will be up against it if they got promoted, especially a side that has been assembled for relative peanuts. Fulham will struggle if they go up, Bournemouth will, look at Norwich now. Thats not a slight on Mowbray that we would.

Since Christmas we have been poor, prior for a couple of months we were incredible, ultimately all that matters is where that levels out and its in the top 6 as things stand. Surely it depends on whether that is the case after the last game?

His transfer record has been at least reasonable I would argue. He has only (to my recollection) spent a million or more three times, out of those, one scored nearly 30 goals and got sold for a huge profit, (that wasnt reinvested) another is on 20 goals and again will likely generate a huge profit in the summer, the third admittedly is crap, he has chipped in with a few goals in his time but a poor purchase, 2 out of 3 isnt bad.

After that, hes dealing with cheap transfers, freebies and loans. He has signed Dack, Kaminski, Pickering, Rothwell and a few others who all have been bargains, of course there are some duds too, thats the market. Some inspired loanees too, but overall not dealing in a top 6 level market.

[Gav]

25 minutes ago, booth said:

Whoever told you he’s at Stoke on £3m+ wages is winding you up.

I never said he was at Stoke on £3m+ wages? Apologies if I gave that impression.

That is what WE were quoted, as reported in Telegraph.

Mowbray went for strikers, the money wasn't available, to bring this back to the original point. 

Edited March 9, 2022 by Gav