Tony Mowbray Discussion

[simongarnerisgod]

7 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Thankyou for reply and answering the question. 

I watched Lowe during the players shooting in the warm up and he was awful with his touch. I did say a few months that Mowbray should have change his backroom team and move Johnson into the number 2 role and Barr should have made first team coach after last season disappointing season

I think Johnson will be candidate tom replace Mowbray in the summer if he does leave

maybe a few years ago he would have been,mowbray sidelined him into the job of something to do with the u`23s,no one actually knows what he does,because he was a serious threat to tony`s job

[G Somerset Rover]

37 minutes ago, den said:

“They’ve just clicked”.

I don’t think he knew why we suddenly started winning games and I don’t think he knows how to get us winning again.

I don’t think he knows very much to be honest.

Indeed. I guarantee his solution on Tuesday won’t be a change of formation or anything sensible like that - it will be to mix up 1 or 2 of the front 3 again. At least one, but probably both of Giles and Dolan will be back in before we witness yet another 0 on the Rovers score chart.

Rinse and repeat for Reading away.

Edited March 13, 2022 by Gavlar Somerset Rover!

[OldEwoodBlue]

[G Somerset Rover]

2 minutes ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Peterborough - the second lowest number of goals for in ten matches - have still scored double what we have.

Where’s the accountability?!

[OldEwoodBlue]

Form table is frightening.

Top sides all pushing for the play offs are top of the form....except us going the other way.

5 of those sides just below us with a game in hand will put us in 9th.

I can see us finishing 12th with Preston above us. In fact I can't see any other outcome.

Edited March 13, 2022 by OldEwoodBlue

[simongarnerisgod]

13 minutes ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Indeed. I guarantee his solution on Tuesday won’t be a change of formation or anything sensible like that - it will be to mix up 1 or 2 of the front 3 again. At least one, but probably both of Giles and Dolan will be back in before we witness yet another 0 on the Rovers score chart.

Rinse and repeat for Reading away.

i think he`ll go in full panic mode with a formation and team shape that only he can come up with,possibly a back four,five in midfield with a single striker,4/5/1,he`ll figure that gaining a point is better losing again

[lraC]

1 hour ago, JWU-Andy said:

since January 1st 2022 (league only)

P 13
W 3
D 4
L 7
F 3
A 9
Pts 13 from a possible 39 and on a pro-rata basis 46 points over the season - nailed on relegation

that, for me at least, over the course of a slightly more than a quarter of a season isn't twists and turns.  It's the sort of nosedive we've become accustomed to over the past few seasons... the best outcome for the manager, clubs and fans alike is not to offer him a new contract in the summer.

For me personally, if we're not to blow what is/was our best shot at promotion since we got relegated 10 years ago, he needs to go now.  A fresh voice, new ideas, actually playing players in their best position, a bit of charisma, a plan B could still get us into sixth.  Under the current manager, we'll be lucky to get top 10!

Even more incredible is the pro rata of goals scored. That looks to be just under 12 to me.

[Guest]

What a manager with a plan B can do…

[Iceman]

Relegation from the championship is real next season, if Mowbray continues 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

40 minutes ago, simongarnerisgod said:

maybe a few years ago he would have been,mowbray sidelined him into the job of something to do with the u`23s,no one actually knows what he does,because he was a serious threat to tony`s job

Chief drone pilot.

[davulsukur]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Well we have to agree to disagree on this 

I'm fully aware of the stats in recent games and weeks. 

Like I said they would been plenty of twists and turns before the season ends. Did anyone not think Sheffield United would win yesterday but they didn't and they seem to have players out at the minute if you look at yesterday squad that was named by them. Boro drew with Millwall. Forest are scoring goals but not in the playoffs places yet and will their FA cup run get in way. 

Luton and QPR are playing right now

Fully aware of the stats but completely ignoring them? The manager is the reason we have only scored 3 goals and won only 3 games.

We are in abysmal form and this isn't the first time either. It's always been the same under Mowbray, this season is no different. We won't finish the season in the playoffs.

Twists and turns but not for us, we'll continue our fall until we are out of the playoffs and once we're out, we won't be getting back in. 

Yep they are, QPR won, dropping us to 5th and 4 teams below us ready to capitalise on our woeful run and overtake us.

[den]

1 hour ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Form table is frightening.

Top sides all pushing for the play offs are top of the form....except us going the other way.

5 of those sides just below us with a game in hand will put us in 9th.

I can see us finishing 12th with Preston above us. In fact I can't see any other outcome.

Not very long back PNE were 17 points behind us☹️

[chaddyrovers]

3 hours ago, davulsukur said:

Fully aware of the stats but completely ignoring them? The manager is the reason we have only scored 3 goals and won only 3 games.

We are in abysmal form and this isn't the first time either. It's always been the same under Mowbray, this season is no different. We won't finish the season in the playoffs.

Twists and turns but not for us, we'll continue our fall until we are out of the playoffs and once we're out, we won't be getting back in. 

Yep they are, QPR won, dropping us to 5th and 4 teams below us ready to capitalise on our woeful run and overtake us.

Ignoring them? they are facts but the manager isn't the person who is on pitch, its the players who have these chances to sore and haven't taken them. You can only so far and so much keep blaming Mowbray. 

Well lets see what happen for the rest of the season and I think we will make the playoffs. 

Well we have to win the next game and rest will take care of itself. 

[jim mk2]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Ignoring them? they are facts but the manager isn't the person who is on pitch, its the players who have these chances to sore and haven't taken them. You can only so far and so much keep blaming Mowbray. 

 

Oh dear

Some basic misunderstanding of how football works

At a normal club

[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Ignoring them? they are facts but the manager isn't the person who is on pitch, its the players who have these chances to sore and haven't taken them. You can only so far and so much keep blaming Mowbray. 

Well lets see what happen for the rest of the season and I think we will make the playoffs. 

Well we have to win the next game and rest will take care of itself. 

I do think that some of the criticism of Mowbray generally is too much, he isnt useless, many of his derided tactics have worked for much of this season and there is a lack of willingness to acknowledge that we are for now in the play offs. Talk of sacking him right now is crazy.

But to remove any responsibility by suggesting that he isnt on the pitch is bollocks, it totally removes any importance in the manager. Mowbray was worthy of praise when we was winning, equally it was the players on the pitch and not him, surely?

[tomphil]

Hes had heaps of praise this season from plenty who wanted him gone, me included. Win together, lose together and that includes him on both counts.

The one thing that always losses him respect is his ability to totally absolve himself of any responsibility when things are going south.

Players are missing chances, not his fault obviously. Players continue to be played in positions that don't really appear to get the best out of them, that's down to him.

As is the Jan recruitment and lack of a central striker in the entire club.

There is still hope however as when we win under him we tend to go on a little run so this latest death slide will end. Just hope it's soon and two or three wins follow.

 

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

 

But to remove any responsibility by suggesting that he isnt on the pitch is bollocks, it totally removes any importance in the manager. Mowbray was worthy of praise when we was winning, equally it was the players on the pitch and not him, surely?

Yet again you have misread my comments and nowhere did I remove all responsibility from Mowbray but my point was the players have to take some responsibility for missing these chances and Mowbray will take the rest. 

[Gav]

6 hours ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Form table is frightening.

Here is the only table that matters, after our recent run of form its looking tremendous I’d say to still be in touch.

 

Edited March 13, 2022 by Gav

[Upside Down]

6 hours ago, OldEwoodBlue said:

Form table is frightening.

Top sides all pushing for the play offs are top of the form....except us going the other way.

5 of those sides just below us with a game in hand will put us in 9th.

I can see us finishing 12th with Preston above us. In fact I can't see any other outcome.

That's because we aren't pushing for the playoffs and we never were.

 

I am not looking forward to next season. The dingles will absolutely demolish us. It's going to be beyond humiliating. 

[SamTheShrew]

I don’t buy the ‘but who would venky’s replace him with line’. Life’s too short: Mowbray year on year is on par with Einsteins definition of insanity. I’ve reached the point where I don’t care whether it works if not; I’d rather take the gamble and see what happens.
 

heard some Bantam discussing the impact Hughes has had on them in 3 games despite the results. What I’d give for some passion and identity like that. Supporting Rovers is a painful, downright depressing and thankless task again. 

Edited March 13, 2022 by SamTheShrew

[Blue blood]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Ignoring them? they are facts but the manager isn't the person who is on pitch, its the players who have these chances to sore and haven't taken them. You can only so far and so much keep blaming Mowbray. 

Well lets see what happen for the rest of the season and I think we will make the playoffs. 

Well we have to win the next game and rest will take care of itself. 

Am on ignore but could someone please highlight how the manager is to be credited with having us in the playoffs (for now) but excused from being blamed for our poor run of form. Genuine question - how can he be credited with the league position and absolved of recent performances. Surely the same person(s) are responsible for both?

[SuperBrfc]

I'm expecting us to finish 8th or 9th from here. Just watch Mowbray try to dress it up as being a brave, gallant effort from a set of young lads who just fell short in the end against clubs who had bigger budgets. Oh and the injuries to Markanday and Diaz at a key moment in the season will be thrown in there somewhere.

We aren't ever going up with him as manager. He has just thrown away our best chance in years as he doesn't want it. Years of repeated mistakes and a stubborn refusal to change his ways should tell you that. Let's not waste any more time with him. We've already wasted enough.

[jim mk2]

Looking back, from the home Fulham debacle on 3rd Nov to the Wigan FA Cup exit on 8th Jan (the turning point of the season) our good run which took us to 2nd place in the table saw us take

23 points out of 27 from 9 games

Since the Wigan defeat, we have taken

12 points out of 36 from 12 games

On past form, there's a good case for saying Tony's death spiral has now run its course and we're due an upturn in fortunes

On the other hand.....

 

 

[Sparks Rover]

2 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Since the Wigan defeat, we have taken

 

I think the significance of this loss was lost on a lot of board members here...the more savvy knew what was on the horizon...

[Upside Down]

1 hour ago, SamTheShrew said:

I don’t buy the ‘but who would venky’s replace him with line’. Life’s too short: Mowbray year on year is on par with Einsteins definition of insanity. I’ve reached the point where I don’t care whether it works if not; I’d rather take the gamble and see what happens.
 

heard some Bantam discussing the impact Hughes has had on them in 3 games despite the results. What I’d give for some passion and identity like that. Supporting Rovers is a painful, downright depressing and thankless task again. 

I agree, I think his time should be up. He's done all he can here.

I am genuinely worried about who they would get as his replacement though.