Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Blue blood]

Quick question:

TMs good and bad spells have all come in runs. Do people think fans would look more or less positively on TM if our results were more interspersed rather than a run of wins or losses? If it was more WLWLD would fans look on him more or less favourably? 

I appreciate the runs show other things as well but I do wonder if it skews opinions on his ability. 

[davulsukur]

Just now, Blue blood said:

Quick question:

TMs good and bad spells have all come in runs. Do people think fans would look more or less positively on TM if our results were more interspersed rather than a run of wins or losses? If it was more WLWLD would fans look on him more or less favourably? 

I appreciate the runs show other things as well but I do wonder if it skews opinions on his ability. 

At the minute it's peaks and troughs. You get your hopes up and think we can beat anyone, to not being able to score a goal or seeing where the next win is coming from.

Bristol was about as much of a gimmie as you could get. 19th in the league, not kept a clean sheet since the ice age and poor on the road. And what's happens, because we are on an awful run, they turn up and win. 

If his tenure was more WLD, he'd be viewed as bang average, which he actually is. He just does it in streaks, which polarises the view of him, depending if we are on a high or a low. 

At the end of the day, he isn't getting us promoted irrespective of how the results come. It will always be midtable(ish) under him.

[roversfan99]

12 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

Quick question:

TMs good and bad spells have all come in runs. Do people think fans would look more or less positively on TM if our results were more interspersed rather than a run of wins or losses? If it was more WLWLD would fans look on him more or less favourably? 

I appreciate the runs show other things as well but I do wonder if it skews opinions on his ability. 

I think its a good question and something I agree with. People tend to focus on specific runs which as you say arent irrelevant especially when they tend to happen at similar times albiet to varying degrees. But you often for example hear "2 wins in 17" in relation to last season, which is IMO people selecting specific runs to to suit the point they want to make. All that mattered is how the results levelled out over all 46 games which was in 15th place which was worthy of criticism in itself without needing to focus on 17 specific games.

If we finished say 7th or 8th, it would be justified to an extent to point out us being 2nd/3rd and how we have dropped from there, I totally get that. Equally as you say, if it was linear and we had been there all season or even went up to there near the end of the season, it would be viewed differently.

[MarkBRFC]

21 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

Quick question:

TMs good and bad spells have all come in runs. Do people think fans would look more or less positively on TM if our results were more interspersed rather than a run of wins or losses? If it was more WLWLD would fans look on him more or less favourably? 

I appreciate the runs show other things as well but I do wonder if it skews opinions on his ability. 

I think they probably would, I think I would for sure.

It might be harsh, but the main thing i will remember Mowbray for during his time here are his horrendous winless runs of form.

9 defeats in 11 games in 18-19

2 wins in 17 games in 20-21

2 wins and 2 goals in 10 games (so far) in 20-22.

[RTM08]

4 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

I think they probably would, I think I would for sure.

It might be harsh, but the main thing i will remember Mowbray for during his time here are his horrendous winless runs of form.

9 defeats in 11 games in 18-19

2 wins in 17 games in 20-21

2 wins and 2 goals in 10 games (so far) in 20-22.

It's also important to point out that these runs are constsntly in the same patterns each season. This isn't just bad runs, it's bad runs after the new year.

 When you factor in the same issues at Cov and Boro, that points to a chronic inability to change and by extension an inability to succeed.

[Blue blood]

5 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I think its a good question and something I agree with. People tend to focus on specific runs which as you say arent irrelevant especially when they tend to happen at similar times albiet to varying degrees. But you often for example hear "2 wins in 17" in relation to last season, which is IMO people selecting specific runs to to suit the point they want to make. All that mattered is how the results levelled out over all 46 games which was in 15th place which was worthy of criticism in itself without needing to focus on 17 specific games.

If we finished say 7th or 8th, it would be justified to an extent to point out us being 2nd/3rd and how we have dropped from there, I totally get that. Equally as you say, if it was linear and we had been there all season or even went up to there near the end of the season, it would be viewed differently.

Indeed it really does skew opinion - mine included - and perhaps does detract from things. 

This is a really helpful post not least as it helps me think why the runs are problematic in themselves. As you say the end result is more relevant. 

I think my legitimate issue with the poor runs areas follows:

1) it shows a lack of accountability. Anywhere else such runs would not be tolerated..there's a frustration there is no accountability from on high or even contrition from the man himself. 

2) It shows an inability to react. That the poor form.has come three times in the latter half of the season shows a lack of any plan B - once we are found out it can't be arrested - and insufficient work in. January to capitalise on good form. It seems as a club we are a bit of a one trick pony that gets found out. That's on the manager. 

In short circumstances do matter. For example whilst Coyle was and is a useless manager the record has to show and mitigate for the fact he was utterly shafted with funding. I think the circumstances do have some baring albeit less so than perhaps the focus warrants. 

[rigger]

2 hours ago, Blue blood said:

Quick question:

TMs good and bad spells have all come in runs. Do people think fans would look more or less positively on TM if our results were more interspersed rather than a run of wins or losses? If it was more WLWLD would fans look on him more or less favourably? 

I appreciate the runs show other things as well but I do wonder if it skews opinions on his ability. 

Quick answer : 

No.

[Upside Down]

Consistently the end result has not been good enough.

Unless of corse, the goal of the people in charge is to have us plonked in the middle of this division for all eternity.

[Spartakfenni]

Mowbray, Waggot, Venus OUT, OUT, OUT

[47er]

Barnsley 2 Bristol City 0 says it all for me.

[simongarnerisgod]

1 hour ago, Spartakfenni said:

Mowbray, Waggot, Venus OUT, OUT, OUT

the 1st one will do at the end of the season for me😃

[tomphil]

First half a prize turkey of his own making i texted my mate within 3 mins and said no way are we scoring this half.

From nil one down to the end of the game virtually invisible in plain sight.

Go figure.

[toogs]

2 minutes ago, tomphil said:

First half a prize turkey of his own making i texted my mate within 3 mins and said no way are we scoring this half.

From nil one down to the end of the game virtually invisible in plain sight.

Go figure.

All a bit bizarre wasn’t it. 

[tomphil]

Certainly was but thank god some common sense prevailed in the second half with the subs.

A pity he didn't seem to want to join in the superb effort on the pitch and in the stands.  I thought we were all in it together ?

[DE.]

It was certainly curious as Mowbray very, very rarely makes subs at HT, let alone two. A message was sent from one side to another at HT. Whether that was from manager to players or the other way around, it saved us from another disaster of a result in the end. We can only hope some lessons were learned because we have no room for error now - as it stands top six is not even in our own hands anymore, so picking up as many points as possible during the run in is absolutely essential to give us any chance of getting over the line. 

[Dan]

I saw someone mentioned on Twitter(I know, I know), that Travis shouted in the first half questioning why the hell are we playing a DMF up front. 
 

Hopefully if it was player pressure the manager doesn’t choose another daft line up to spite them/us. He seems the type to be a bit of a spiteful bastard. 

[RoversClitheroe]

Just seen Mowbrays post match press conference, he didn't look well. 

Hope he's okay

[AllRoverAsia]

6 hours ago, tomphil said:

Certainly was but thank god some common sense prevailed in the second half with the subs.

A pity he didn't seem to want to join in the superb effort on the pitch and in the stands.  I thought we were all in it together ?

He looked like he didn't want to be at the post match interview even though his 'interviewer' was very careful with his questions and phrasing. 

[Blue blood]

I struggle to convey how bad the Johnson gaff was and how that makes TM a liability even though he has his plus points. 

Using a building analogy. He knows how to build a wall. He can build a decent if not great one. But you have every chance he will use pritt stick glue instead of mortar. It undermines everything he does

 Contrast with the likes of Coyle who would struggle to create said wall, but would never confuse mortar and glue. 

His mistakes are that bad. 

[G Somerset Rover]

Very concerning interview. We know from former players that he can really get the hump when things aren’t going right, but this looked more than that. Be interesting to see how he responds on Saturday both in set-up/personnel and his general demeanour. 

Feelings on his managerial ability aside, if it’s bringing him down this much, surely a parting of ways in the summer would be sensible for both parties.

[Wheelton Blue]

He painted himself into a corner last night with that selection, and had no choice but to do something drastic at half time.

He's wasted a quarter of a season with his stubborness and poor decision making. Let's hope that the penny dropped last night, but with several other teams hot on our heels and the likelihood that we haven't seen the last of his idiocy, we will have to go some to nail a play off place.

It would not surprise me one bit to see Buckley back as a false 9 on Saturday.

[lraC]

Most fans could see what was wrong last night in the first half, so you can be sure that the players could.

It is a guess, but perhaps some of the players turned on him at half time and he threw his toys out of the pram and said okay do it your way.

I can't imagine the players would normally have a say in who is taken off and how the formation should be changed, but neither can I imagine why the manager would sit there with a face like thunder, when the changed, worked a treat and we had the 2 goals in 7 minutes.

Again just a guess, but if he has had total control (which he should have) for the previous 9 matches and he then delegated to either the players, or a coach, who immediately broke the goal draught, perhaps that's worth sulking about.

It might be total crap what I have just posted, but I can't work work it out any other way

[JHRover]

9 hours ago, 47er said:

Barnsley 2 Bristol City 0 says it all for me.

So in 19 away games Bristol City have conceded 38 goals and kept 2 clean sheets - both against us 

[tomphil]

2 hours ago, AllRoverAsia said:

He looked like he didn't want to be at the post match interview even though his 'interviewer' was very careful with his questions and phrasing. 

Nobody gives him an easy time like Bayes.

Looking back now i think last nights antics were a shred of embarrassment from TM the guy knew he's ballsed it up.  He was clearly angry and some players they obvious weren't doing as they'd planned, that's fair enough.

But

The the set up was down to him and it did nothing but play into the hands of one of the leagues poorest sides. He knew it and he slunk away, not for the first time. Not sure what message that sends to players or fans but from the outside it looks very poor on his part.

I'd take the week off if i was him.

Edited March 16, 2022 by tomphil

[47er]

6 minutes ago, JHRover said:

So in 19 away games Bristol City have conceded 38 goals and kept 2 clean sheets - both against us 

Uncanny!