Tony Mowbray Discussion

[Gone to seed]

Turkeys do not, under any circumstances, vote for Christmas. Mowbray probably doesn't even acknowledge that there is a problem, either to himself, the press or the players - but it is clear that there is a considerable distance between his view of 'reality' and that experienced by the playing staff and the supporters.

To me there is a resounding clamour for change. Unfortunately from the club and Pune based dupes there is a cacophony of silence (oxymoron intended)

[AAK]

5 hours ago, Gavlar Somerset Rover! said:

Seen on Twitter that @Kamy is a believer. I’d love to hear you explain why Kamy. Nobody else can offer a defence.

No disrespect to the fella, but i couldnt give a shite what he says. People on here treat him like hes the font of all knowledge, hes a standard football fan, with no more knowledge or experience in the game than me or you, who for some reason gets touted about like he has lots of contacts.

[MCMC1875]

Just now, AAK said:

No disrespect to the fella, but i couldnt give a shite what he says. People on here treat him like hes the font of all knowledge, hes a standard football fan, with no more knowledge or experience in the game than me or you, who for some reason gets touted about like he has lots of contacts.

Stuck his head above the parapet and got some serious flak when most looked the other way. Fair play to him.

[Leonard Venkhater]

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, RTM08 said:

In all honesty were any of us expecting more than midtable with our defence? The only reason anyone got their hopes up is because TM opened his big mouth. He keeps doing it more and more with talk of "easier fixtures" and points targets that clearly this squad just aren't capable of hitting.

He needs to either walk or shut up and do his job properly.

That is what is so galling. We all knew and we have known for at least two windows. Tony knew too....

Edited October 27, 2019 by Leonard Venkhater

[Mashed Potatoes]

14 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Not even hearing any whispers of meetings taking place.

From a certain point of view, the best signing the club has made during Mowbray’s tenure is Steve Waggott.

Who would be in these meetings ?

[Paul Mani]

4 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

You honestly expect the likes of Dunn or Gallagher, ex players that live locally and work with the club to publicly call for the manager to be sacked?

I’m 100% sure that if Dunny thought the manager needed changing, he would say so. Yes.

[Mattyblue]

I don’t, he’d be telling us to ‘get real’ first.

[roversfan99]

Mowbrays mate, the incompetent Steve Waggott was telling fans yesterday that basically Mowbray is going nowhere. Naive to think otherwise.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

Mowbrays mate, the incompetent Steve Waggott was telling fans yesterday that basically Mowbray is going nowhere. Naive to think otherwise.

Why do you think Steve Waggott is incompetent ?

[chaddyrovers]

42 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Not even hearing any whispers of meetings taking place.

From a certain point of view, the best signing the club has made during Mowbray’s tenure is Steve Waggott.

well the meetings would be taking place over the phone and I'm sure the owners aren't happy with the start to this season. 

The owners will want promotion within the next couple of seasons after their investment in the team. 

we need a fresh manager with new ideas and thinking. I know who I would want to interview for the job and then select from there. 

alot of Rovers fans I've spoken to since yesterday and before the game on Friday says its time for change. We need a change. 

 

[roversfan99]

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

Why do you think Steve Waggott is incompetent ?

I think he is incompetent for the work he has done off the field, as shown by a repeated failure to hit sales/attendance targets for example.

He also is somewhat biased in his role, if he has any impact in potentially sacking Mowbray, because he is his friend from a previous job.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

Mowbrays mate, the incompetent Steve Waggott was telling fans yesterday that basically Mowbray is going nowhere. Naive to think otherwise.

wont be his decision to make tho. If the Owners decide its time for a change then it will be made, 

If you was owner of football club surely you would make the decision the manager not the CEO? 

I know it would be my decision and Ive would have made it by now. Then I would be involved in selecting the new manager, structure and the way forward

[martonrover]

48 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Not even hearing any whispers of meetings taking place.

From a certain point of view, the best signing the club has made during Mowbray’s tenure is Steve Waggott.

Ah yes, the actor Steve Waggott, currently playing the role of the invisible man.

Any decision would surely come from India, but they will no doubt make one when it's too late.

[roversfan99]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

wont be his decision to make tho. If the Owners decide its time for a change then it will be made, 

If you was owner of football club surely you would make the decision the manager not the CEO? 

I know it would be my decision and Ive would have made it by now. Then I would be involved in selecting the new manager, structure and the way forward

Possibly not but he certainly could influence the owners, and lets put it this way, hes hardly going to be currently trying to convince them to sack his chum.

You also are implying that Venkys are logical, reasonable people. He wont be going anywhere. Dont get your hopes up.

[Boroblue]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

Mowbrays mate, the incompetent Steve Waggott was telling fans yesterday that basically Mowbray is going nowhere. Naive to think otherwise.

On the general question if he doesn’t feel he has a decision to make now he’s going to have because 32 points from 31 games is appalling by any standard and it’s not getting better.

 On his specific statement unless he doesn’t know this games aren’t won at half time. Winning at any moment during the game other than at the end . Nil points 

[JHRover]

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

Why do you think Steve Waggott is incompetent ?

He's overseen a reduction in home attendances despite promotion and an improved atmosphere around the club. 

That takes some doing but he's managed it.

That must make us one of very few clubs to have declining crowds and he must take responsibility for it.

[martonrover]

Just now, JHRover said:

He's overseen a reduction in home attendances despite promotion and an improved atmosphere around the club. 

That takes some doing but he's managed it.

That must make us one of very few clubs to have declining crowds and he must take responsibility for it.

Any chief executive of a professional sports club who signs off a sponsorship deal with a nicotine pushing company is an impostor.

Edited October 27, 2019 by martonrover

[LDRover]

At no sane club can a manager keep his job despite having TWO separate considerable runs of games without a win within 12 months yet here we are. Spot the deliberate use of words in that sentence.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

Possibly not but he certainly could influence the owners, and lets put it this way, hes hardly going to be currently trying to convince them to sack his chum.

You also are implying that Venkys are logical, reasonable people. He wont be going anywhere. Dont get your hopes up.

Waggott will do as they say. simple as. Plus Suhail is here aswell. Wonder what he will say?

 

[JHRover]

Since this date last year we've played 46 league games (a full season). We've won 15 and collected 54 points during that period. That includes 3 wins at the back end of last season against Bolton, QPR and Forest which were complete dead rubbers between teams with nothing to play for.

We've also had a negative goal difference in that time. 

So effectively we're at best scraping the survival mark or ignore the dead rubbers and its relegation form.

That's over a year/season so the fools who keep saying it's a blip or bad patch haven't done their homework. 

How much longer is needed?

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, JHRover said:

He's overseen a reduction in home attendances despite promotion and an improved atmosphere around the club. 

That takes some doing but he's managed it.

That must make us one of very few clubs to have declining crowds and he must take responsibility for it.

Don't understand this. According to Wikipedia last 3 seasons attendances have been :

2016-17    12871

2017-18    12173

2018-19    14552

[JHRover]

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

Don't understand this. According to Wikipedia last 3 seasons attendances have been :

2016-17    12871

2017-18    12173

2018-19    14552

Not intested in those numbers as they were before Waggott arrived and his policies implemented. 

Numbers of home fans are declining. Season ticket sales are down and numbers at Ewood are falling despite what official figures are put out.

[Mashed Potatoes]

Just now, JHRover said:

Not intested in those numbers as they were before Waggott arrived and his policies implemented. 

Numbers of home fans are declining. Season ticket sales are down and numbers at Ewood are falling despite what official figures are put out.

If you are not going to go by the official numbers then any discussion of attendances gets rather silly as people can just make up their own numbers !

[booth]

4 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Mowbrays mate, the incompetent Steve Waggott was telling fans yesterday that basically Mowbray is going nowhere. Naive to think otherwise.

Daft argument from Waggott, we're 2-0 up at half time so he doesn't deserve the sack even though we conceded 3 goals after that?

A big goal keeping error by a goalkeeper signed by the manager who doesn't deserve the sack?

Part of managing is bringing in the right players Steve.

That said, he's never going to disclose any intentions towards sacking Mowbray with fans. Only Shebby Singh would try that one.

[Sparks Rover]

2 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

If you are not going to go by the official numbers then any discussion of attendances gets rather silly as people can just make up their own numbers !

You mustn’t go to ewood then....