Bury FC rip

[ossyian]

Jevans was pathetic in the TV interview with Tony Morris on Granada Reports. All she had to say was "We will learn lessons from this" over and over.  What about the town, fans and local economy that you have wilfully neglected with your deafening silence? How many lessons do you need to fcking learn before you do something? Another 2 or 6 before you have learnt anything? When the whole bloody lot collapses and nowt left then you will come out and say we have now learnt all our lessons and it will never happen again. So then Sky will say top of the table Championsip clash tonight between Sandbanks owned by Harry Redknapp and Bournemouth and Boscombe owned by Sheikh Ali Baba. Please free to bring your picnic and champagne as half time entertainment will be provided by the English Chamber Orchestra. Please respect our very wealthy neighbours and use your sails to depart the harbour rather than turning on your engines after the game

 

[Stuart]

4 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

And each time this happens there will be fresh outrage. Jim White is one of the most remarkable case and points I have ever seen; he stands in front of a deadline day clock, reinvented to count down the hours until a club over 100 years old goes out of business, literally tearing the community apart. Then the next day he sits on his radio station defending it, claiming he has done more than any other to highlight the plight of the club. Well, I'm sorry Mr White but it simply isn't enough. Much like his brief cameo in our situation regarding poor ownership it's all too little, too late. Discussing the plight of a community over a 2 hour talk show, in which you charge fans for the privilege of phoning in, doesn't begin to break the surface, particularly when next week you will be back to discussing the mega-transfer of Alexis Sanchez or Neymar etc. Next week it will be "business as usual" in the Sky, BBC, EFL, PL, TalkSport, BT HQs. Bury will be a sad reminder of the past, when football was a man in the street sport and success wasn't determined by the bank balance of a clubs owner.

MPs will today call for regulation, for a degree of responsibility to be taken by the EFL for the plight of two fine, historical clubs. Then next week they'll be back discussing other issues, and rightly so because football isn't everything, and the rallying calls for reform will be swept away by another claw-for-votes cry for more money to the NHS or the like. Nobody will pick these issues up again in a week because everybody is so engrossed in the glitz and the glamour of the Premier League/European elite.

When we are in a situation where Alexis Sanchez's wage over the past 2 years is enough to save Bury/Bolton then we are sadly past the point of no return. Much like society the gap between the haves and have-nots is increasing at an alarming rate. Yet, much like society, our reliance on private business and foreign investment has also left us without a community anchorage; when back in the day you either attended the game or watch no football children would fall in love with their local team, now they can watch City on tele once a fortnight minimum. Whereas before we'd have local people running clubs, with the interest of the club at heart and the accountability of the local community in mind, we now have distant foreign investment, with no consideration for the people. What was once a game for the local working man is now a battle of egos between the super rich, or an addition to a portfolio to brag about in their yacht parties, or, in the saddest of cases, a business in which losses can be offset or assets can be stripped to make a quick quid.

Modern football is dying. In a weird way I have a slight envy for Bury - they will reform, and they will do well due to the backing they will have, and for a brief few years they'll escape the monotony of the football league. However the only thing that awaits them is a return to the depths of the football league, where smaller town clubs wait to feed from the scraps of the elite. Then, though, much like AFC Wimbledon, at least the club will be theirs. The best thing that could possibly happen to English football is the break away from the PL that will inevitably happen. We are better off without the bastard system that has led to this point. 

That’s a brilliant post.

[Stuart]

4 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

‘Modern football is dying’. Yet most clubs in England, from the Premier League through to non league are attracting higher crowds now for league games than any time since the 60s (we are one of the few to go the other way)

The support is there, the interest is there. However, football’s governance has not changed since the 60s either, a time in which the game was largely run sustainably, clubs run by a local businessman who in many ways would own the club on behalf of the community, though let’s not pretend a Bancroft or Bill Fox were going to invite fans on the board in the style of Germany. And that chairman and his fellow directors would hear many a chant of ‘sack the board’ when a star player was sold, but clubs did try and exist within their means.

Alas the money that has flowed into the sport since the establishment of the PL has led to a Wild West industry in which chancers, gamblers and spivs are making merry, from average players making fortunes, agents skimming off millions, clubs recklessly gambling to try and reach the promised land and a whole cadre of dubious characters owning clubs.

The governance of the game is not fit for purpose and needs root and branch ripping up.

Back then club owners knew that it came with a responsibility rather than the right to do what they like.

Football governance has not got to grips with the fact that modern owners are in it for themselves, and when they’ve got what they wanted and got bored or can’t get what they want because they’ve been out-oligarched (I’d be keeping one eye on Chelsea for the foreseeable future) it’s the club that loses.

And by ‘the club’ I mean that, when you break it all down, it is still - and always will be - the fans.

[Pedro]

4 hours ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Just looked at the tweet. What kind of a sad act copies and pastes posts from here and puts them on Twitter? He only has one like as well ? 

He copy/pasted/quoted 2 posts from here, so not sure which one he is referring too. I don't think mine was racist to be honest. If it was, it would have been an issue here. 

Who is doing that?

 

[pjt]

How did the current owner pass the fit and proper ownership criteria that the league set?  Surely the league are at fault for allowing him to "buy" the club. Rather than kicking the club out of the league, it should be passed in to fan ownership via the EFL.

 

[jim mk2]

Did anyone watch the Sky piece last week on Bury's plight? Sky sent a camera crew to one of the player's homes, which he has had to put on the market because he hadn't been paid. The house is near Saddleworth, and very nice it is too, just like you'd expce but it is on the market for £1.2 million which, assuming it is mortgaged, does beg the question of the sort of salary Bury was playing this player and presumably others like him.  

[Herbie6590]

It’s not a great source but £2.5k p.w. average wage two seasons ago

 

https://www.footy.com/footballers-vs-the-fans/#efl-league-one

[old darwen blue]

9 hours ago, longsiders1882 said:

Don't go blaming us!

The whole ownership structure and regulation in this country needs an overhaul with something akin to the German model coming in.

Bugger off and stop talking sense.

[philipl]

Stewart Day rightly gets completely trashed by the Financial Times this morning.

https://www.ft.com/content/5f185398-c9a6-11e9-a1f4-3669401ba76f?segmentId=a7371401-027d-d8bf-8a7f-2a746e767d56

 

[Lancs Rover]

15 hours ago, longsiders1882 said:

Don't go blaming us!

The whole ownership structure and regulation in this country needs an overhaul with something akin to the German model coming in.

You mean like this?

I really can't imagine this happening between, for example, Manchester United and Liverpool. But that is the German equivalent...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/may/02/bayern-munich-dortmund-champions-league

[Pedro]

11 hours ago, Herbie6590 said:

It’s not a great source but £2.5k p.w. average wage two seasons ago

 

https://www.footy.com/footballers-vs-the-fans/#efl-league-one

No word of a lie, I was in a restaurant early last year and one of Bury's directors was right beside me and he was telling one of his friends how ridiculous it was that they were paying 7k a week in wages to some player/players. 

[Neal]

19 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

And each time this happens there will be fresh outrage. Jim White is one of the most remarkable case and points I have ever seen; he stands in front of a deadline day clock, reinvented to count down the hours until a club over 100 years old goes out of business, literally tearing the community apart. Then the next day he sits on his radio station defending it, claiming he has done more than any other to highlight the plight of the club. Well, I'm sorry Mr White but it simply isn't enough. Much like his brief cameo in our situation regarding poor ownership it's all too little, too late. Discussing the plight of a community over a 2 hour talk show, in which you charge fans for the privilege of phoning in, doesn't begin to break the surface, particularly when next week you will be back to discussing the mega-transfer of Alexis Sanchez or Neymar etc. Next week it will be "business as usual" in the Sky, BBC, EFL, PL, TalkSport, BT HQs. Bury will be a sad reminder of the past, when football was a man in the street sport and success wasn't determined by the bank balance of a clubs owner.

MPs will today call for regulation, for a degree of responsibility to be taken by the EFL for the plight of two fine, historical clubs. Then next week they'll be back discussing other issues, and rightly so because football isn't everything, and the rallying calls for reform will be swept away by another claw-for-votes cry for more money to the NHS or the like. Nobody will pick these issues up again in a week because everybody is so engrossed in the glitz and the glamour of the Premier League/European elite.

When we are in a situation where Alexis Sanchez's wage over the past 2 years is enough to save Bury/Bolton then we are sadly past the point of no return. Much like society the gap between the haves and have-nots is increasing at an alarming rate. Yet, much like society, our reliance on private business and foreign investment has also left us without a community anchorage; when back in the day you either attended the game or watch no football children would fall in love with their local team, now they can watch City on tele once a fortnight minimum. Whereas before we'd have local people running clubs, with the interest of the club at heart and the accountability of the local community in mind, we now have distant foreign investment, with no consideration for the people. What was once a game for the local working man is now a battle of egos between the super rich, or an addition to a portfolio to brag about in their yacht parties, or, in the saddest of cases, a business in which losses can be offset or assets can be stripped to make a quick quid.

Modern football is dying. In a weird way I have a slight envy for Bury - they will reform, and they will do well due to the backing they will have, and for a brief few years they'll escape the monotony of the football league. However the only thing that awaits them is a return to the depths of the football league, where smaller town clubs wait to feed from the scraps of the elite. Then, though, much like AFC Wimbledon, at least the club will be theirs. The best thing that could possibly happen to English football is the break away from the PL that will inevitably happen. We are better off without the bastard system that has led to this point. 

Take a bow. Might be worth while BRFCS twitter account sending this to talk Sport. 

[philipl]

sorry repeat post

Edited August 29, 2019 by philipl

[longsiders1882]

1 hour ago, BRFC64 said:

You mean like this?

I really can't imagine this happening between, for example, Manchester United and Liverpool. But that is the German equivalent...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/may/02/bayern-munich-dortmund-champions-league

It would have been like Blackburn lending us a few bob back in '87 ...

But yes, ultimately as fans, owners and clubs we need to accept we are responsible for the whole of football, that ultimately our health is very closely aligned to the health of the total game, grass roots up. The reason, IMO, why the premier league has traditionally been so popular is because of the strength of the foundations below it in the football league. We ignore that at our peril - and that is what we are doing. That said we also need regulation that actually stops rogue owners overspending, saddling clubs with huge debts then bailing out. Of course it won't happen because as fans we are very self centred. We hate people "buying the league" until its our club the billionaire wants, then we don't care. And we don't care about any knock on it might have on the wider game. In the main only when it starts to unravel do we start to cry foul.

I guess it comes to this - do we care about our club only or do we care about our club and football as whole. I'm not sure what the answer to that is if I'm honest.

[Mattyblue]

Forums like this are seeing the wider picture of a corrupt industry, lack of governance and all the rest of it.

But your general fan on Facebook groups doesn’t see it that way, ‘why is it the league’s fault?’, ‘they spent too much’ etc etc.

[perthblue02]

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EFL board meeting with Bury on the agenda - proposed sale to an international consortium as I understand it. Details to follow. I hope EFL will reconsider their decision and revoke the expulsion.

[Claytons Left Boot]

If they don’t reconsider and revoke, I would be inclined to get a legal team together to sue the incompetent bar stuards at the EFL seeing as they should have carried out a Fit and a Proper test in the first place. They kept allowing extensions in Bolton’s case but seemed like they wanted to simply stick the boot into Bury.

May be a show of solidarity by football fans from up and down the country to support Bury’s position. Marches and demonstrations etc. Even if it takes a couple of months for a potential takeover to be approved and go through, they could simply be relegated to League 3 and go again next season, rather than have their registration withdrawn. All seems rather sudden when they are trying their hardest for the situation to be resolved. A hundred and thirty odd years of history being brushed under the carpet.

[arbitro]

There is a petition to try and get the EFL to overturn their decision. Please share if possible.

https://www.change.org/p/debbie-jevans-efl-efl-bring-back-bury-fc

[old darwen blue]

3 minutes ago, arbitro said:

There is a petition to try and get the EFL to overturn their decision. Please share if possible.

https://www.change.org/p/debbie-jevans-efl-efl-bring-back-bury-fc

Signed and tweeted. 

[Hanks]

35 minutes ago, arbitro said:

There is a petition to try and get the EFL to overturn their decision. Please share if possible.

https://www.change.org/p/debbie-jevans-efl-efl-bring-back-bury-fc

Signed and shared via FB

[Proudtobeblue&white]

EFL confirmed won't re-open decision about expelling Bury. Despite keen interest. Sad, very sad.

[Claytons Left Boot]

2 hours ago, arbitro said:

There is a petition to try and get the EFL to overturn their decision. Please share if possible.

https://www.change.org/p/debbie-jevans-efl-efl-bring-back-bury-fc

Signed and shared on Facebook.

 

Just now, Proudtobeblue&white said:

EFL confirmed won't re-open decision about expelling Bury. Despite keen interest. Sad, very sad.

I’ve a feeling this will grow and grow. Marches, demonstrations, strike action, pitch invasions should be the order of the day. A bit of solidarity to show the EFL that they can’t treat ‘smaller’ clubs in this way. Wan*ers.

[Mattyblue]

Just now, Claytons Left Boot said:

Signed and shared on Facebook.

 

I’ve a feeling this will grow and grow. Marches, demonstrations, strike action, pitch invasions should be the order of the day. A bit of solidarity to show the EFL that they can’t treat ‘smaller’ clubs in this way. Wan*ers.

You reckon any of that will happen? Without the go to of a Football League match every weekend they will quickly be forgotten about.

A great advantage that Blackpool fans had in contrast were regular league  fixtures, that gave protesting/boycotting fans a focal point, they could get to the gates of Bloomfield Road on a match day etc, local media coverage etc.

I’m afraid Bury will vanish from the game’s consciousness rapidly and most other club’s fans won’t particularly give a toss in a few weeks over a passing comment at their game; ‘shame about Bury, weren’t it?’ 

Edited August 29, 2019 by Mattyblue

[rigger]

Just now, Mattyblue said:

You reckon any of that will happen? Without the go to of a Football League match every weekend they will quickly be forgotten about.

A great advantage that Blackpool fans had in contrast were regular league  fixtures, that gave protesting/boycotting fans a focal point, they could get to the gates of Bloomfield Road on a match day etc, local media coverage etc.

I’m afraid Bury will vanish from the game’s consciousness rapidly and most other club’s fans won’t particularly give a toss in a few weeks over a passing comment at their game; ‘shame about Bury, weren’t it?’ 

To tell the truth I don't give a toss now.

[JHRover]

Bury will vanish as Hereford, Darlington and Stockport did from the national consciousness. 

The national media and Sky Sports have taken interest this week because it fills a couple of days of headlines but they'll soon lose interest and get back to talking about people being nasty to Paul Pogba or how many millions Spurs are planning on spending in January. You know, the really important stuff.

The only ones who will maintain interest are the fans of the club who will have to either rebuild or do something else with their free time. 

Even the local politicians aren't that bothered really, they just recognise the positive PR to be had in rallying to the cause now. Havent heard their MP or Council leaders say much over the last 2-3 years as the clubs existence was gambled away.

Shame but that's the London-Premier League centric media for you. 

Would anyone on here be as bothered if it was Crawley or Newport going out? There would be sympathy of course and concern but not on the scale we've seen for Bury because they are just down the road.