January transfer window 2020

[Paul Mani]

1 hour ago, JoeH said:

They're scouting first team players. I feel that comparing this trip to the Kean Portugal Bonzanza is a little unrealistic. 

100%...what on earth does the current crop of scouts in Portugal have to do with the time JA levered Portugese no marks into Rovers for his own personal gain?

[Leonard Venkhater]

1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

100%...what on earth does the current crop of scouts in Portugal have to do with the time JA levered Portugese no marks into Rovers for his own personal gain?

Haha..connectivity...and what on earth did those, who appointed a certain, outstanding candidate in 2016 have to do with JA and greasy spivs from a previous era?

[SkipDonoghue]

On 17/12/2019 at 13:21, islander200 said:

I just don't see the club sending a player who has been in and around the first team squad down as far the conference to continue his development and I would agree with that.

I would think he would have interest at league one level and would send him there to see how he gets on 

You're right it wouldn't happen, Buckley would not benefit in any way from a loan move any lower than league 1, he has been in every match day squad this season and is highly thought of, dropping into non league football and getting kicked to death isn't going to help him develop (even if some on here think he would hmmm) 

He is a technical player if I was looking after him I would want a loan only to the top half of L1, I wouldn't bother with anything lower, what some seem to forget is not all footballers are the same they have differing strengths and weekness, JRC would cope down in league 2 because he is robust enough to cope with the physical side, Buckley wouldn't, it would be counter productive, he could come back worse than when he went, some players need to develop organically, some need to be Pushed, Buckley is one of the organic types, he will be better served sticking around the 1st team for now as I think it will be an issue placing him sonewhere that's suits all parties

 

[arbitro]

1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

100%...what on earth does the current crop of scouts in Portugal have to do with the time JA levered Portugese no marks into Rovers for his own personal gain?

Wasn't it Shebby Singh who, through a Portuguese agent who he knew signed all of them? I have a vague recollection that the agent was the son of a guy who was connected to the Malaysian national team for who Singh had a gazillion caps.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/blackburns-portuguese-players-fuming-after-1835598

Irrespective of who it was the level of corruption around that time was staggering.

[The Axe]

1 hour ago, Paul Mani said:

100%...what on earth does the current crop of scouts in Portugal have to do with the time JA levered Portugese no marks into Rovers for his own personal gain?

You'd have trouble if JA opted for litigation. Nuno Gomes signed after his agent (his brother) trawled him around Europe looking for a last big contract. Nuno Gomes recommended Fabio Nunes which brought his agent Marco Correia de Oliveira in contact with Shebby Singh. He convinced him that because of the low compensation calculations for young players in Europe it was financially advantageous to sign young Portuguese players, which was how the next three players arrived. The final one, Nuno Henrique, was Shebby's  attempt at free lancing where he was conned by Academica. Anderson was well off the Ewood scene by then, apart from pleading for a new contract for his son. 

[SkipDonoghue]

On 16/12/2019 at 23:25, Sparks Rover said:

He needs to go to Conference North on loan for 6 months or a full season. Come back stronger and more conditioned to play.

No chance, you don't do this when developing players, I wouldn't recommend any player that is in and around the 1st team no matter what build or strgths or weekness they have dropping any lower than L2

Rovers u23s play at the highest level of youth football available in this country, I see players dropping into conference North etc and think its a waste, if you aren't getting game time fair enough I see that maybe your only option, but to think any of the highly rated players would benefit from dropping down so many levels is ridiculous and counter productive for both the player and the club, especially the likes of Buckley, JRC, Butterworth, Vale etc

Edited December 19, 2019 by SkipDonoghue

[Sparks Rover]

3 minutes ago, SkipDonoghue said:

No chance, you don't do this when developing players, I wouldn't recommend any player that is in and around the 1st team no matter what build or strgths or weekness they have dropping any lower than L2

Rovers u23s play at the highest level of youth football available in this country, I see players dropping into conference North etc and think its a waste, if you aren't getting game time fair enough I see that maybe your only option, but to think any of the highly rated players would benefit from dropping down so many levels is ridiculous and counter productive for both the player and the club, especially the likes of Buckley, JRC, Butterworth, Vale etc

Wrong.

PNE use Lancaster City and they are in the northern premier....I'd say they have had more youth breakthrough than us recently....its not about levels at this stage....he can play, but he cant play mens football twice a week for a full season,  that's what he needs.  Sorry mate, if you don't understand how football works it's not my fault .  

He needs guaranteed football and he would never get that in the football league, there's too much at stake.....Have you seen him, he's a little lad really.....a local non league team would be perfect for what he needs

[bluebruce]

7 hours ago, The Axe said:

If they were interested in a Tondela player it was probably the goalkeeper Claudio Ramos. He's one of the best in Portugal and out of contract in June. However he's very similar to Raya which would tend to discount this.

If he's of similar quality to Raya, too, I don't see why.

As far as we know, TM didn't have it in for Raya. He just thought the money would help him trade. This guy will be far cheaper. He can still buy another in summer, as is meant to be the plan.

[The Axe]

Just now, bluebruce said:

If he's of similar quality to Raya, too, I don't see why.

As far as we know, TM didn't have it in for Raya. He just thought the money would help him trade. This guy will be far cheaper. He can still buy another in summer, as is meant to be the plan.

What I was alluding to was that he is a small keeper with lightning fast reflexes. TM said that he wanted a big man to dominate the area. That's not Ramos.

[tomphil]

If they can fix up some loans out or better still sales or loan with a view to buy then Smallwood, Gladwin, Samuel out. That's saved a good few grand to start with not much need for anymore pruning.

Brereton i'd loan out it'll do him good to start a bit more further down the leagues. Whilst i don't want to pan him iv'e also heard enough of this boo hoo he's no confidence it's a shame, wrong position etc etc. Sheer fact is at this juncture in his career the lad is out of his depth it was a shocking gamble of millions so lets try and salvage something. Give him the rest of the season to cut his teeth somewhere then get him back in summer hopefully confident and refreshed to try again.

I hope there is a bit of ruthlessness in all this now to free up a few quid and get at least one quality player who'll contribute more than that lot put together.

[chaddyrovers]

https://twitter.com/BBCLancsSport/status/1207693829798866944?s=20

Edited December 19, 2019 by chaddyrovers

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, arbitro said:

Wasn't it Shebby Singh who, through a Portuguese agent who he knew signed all of them? I have a vague recollection that the agent was the son of a guy who was connected to the Malaysian national team for who Singh had a gazillion caps.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/blackburns-portuguese-players-fuming-after-1835598

Irrespective of who it was the level of corruption around that time was staggering.

An absolute feeding frenzy all started by Anderson and Kean whether they were connected or not.  If i was Venkys head woman i'd go after every single stinking one of them.

May they all rot !

[bluebruce]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

https://twitter.com/BBCLancsSport/status/1207693829798866944?s=20

Oh ffs. He's still at it. Learnt nothing from Bauer.

[Stuart]

6 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

Oh ffs. He's still at it. Learnt nothing from Bauer.

This kind of thing just says to me that he stumbles on things rather than plans for success.

Our squad depth is awful. We absolutely need a central defender. Lenihan, for all his strengths, is a huge risk due to fitness issues.

[bluebruce]

Anyone else surprised to see Rodwell supposedly in with a chance of a move to Sheff U? His even more surprising Roma move broke down this summer, for those who missed it (like me).

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

Just now, Stuart said:

This kind of thing just says to me that he stumbles on things rather than plans for success.

Our squad depth is awful. We absolutely need a central defender. Lenihan, for all his strengths, is a huge risk due to fitness issues.

He's loyal to a fault. I just hope this year it doesn't bite him/us on the arse as we're a couple of buys off making a real go at the play offs. 

[bluebruce]

Just now, Stuart said:

This kind of thing just says to me that he stumbles on things rather than plans for success.

Our squad depth is awful. We absolutely need a central defender. Lenihan, for all his strengths, is a huge risk due to fitness issues.

In fairness, depth is precisely what he's talking about adding. But we need someone as good or better than Tosin and Lenihan. Not that they're not good enough, but one is injury prone and one will be gone in the summer.

Aiming for 'depth' instead of quality, and telling the potential signings they will struggle to get game time is exactly how you end up with either nobody, or someone who isn't good enough and sucks up a wage to sit on the bench at best. It's exactly how you end up not winning promotion.

Our need for a quality goalie is the absolute most pressing one though.

[tomphil]

He never seems to learn he'll be complaining next time Lenihen breaks down.

Waggot says we don't want gap fillers but that is exactly what TM seems to specialise in. If he was presented a good quality player and told we could afford it he'd snub it if it meant actually replacing someone i'm sure of it.

[DE.]

All recent comments from Mowbray and Waggott lead me to think we're in for another dry January. Hope I'm wrong on that though. 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, bluebruce said:

Oh ffs. He's still at it. Learnt nothing from Bauer.

I disagree. we have 2 very in form centre backs in the team so any new signing is going have to wait for their chance and take it. 

Mowbray's biggest problem is he is far too honest at times. Rather have him over certain past managers we had

[ossyian]

14 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Argh...that’s so out of context. Buckley is the chosen one. But yes, JRC was the big mover by the end of the summer because he’d gone from long term injury to potential first team in such a short space of time. TM and Jonty were pleasantly surprised. He’d travelled the furthest at that point...from obscurity to forefront 

Ah thanks for explaining that Paul. Take it JRC is still at the forefront of their minds still?

[Stuart]

1 hour ago, bluebruce said:

In fairness, depth is precisely what he's talking about adding. But we need someone as good or better than Tosin and Lenihan. Not that they're not good enough, but one is injury prone and one will be gone in the summer.

Aiming for 'depth' instead of quality, and telling the potential signings they will struggle to get game time is exactly how you end up with either nobody, or someone who isn't good enough and sucks up a wage to sit on the bench at best. It's exactly how you end up not winning promotion.

Our need for a quality goalie is the absolute most pressing one though.

All good points. Completely agree.

[roversfan99]

4 hours ago, SkipDonoghue said:

You're right it wouldn't happen, Buckley would not benefit in any way from a loan move any lower than league 1, he has been in every match day squad this season and is highly thought of, dropping into non league football and getting kicked to death isn't going to help him develop (even if some on here think he would hmmm) 

He is a technical player if I was looking after him I would want a loan only to the top half of L1, I wouldn't bother with anything lower, what some seem to forget is not all footballers are the same they have differing strengths and weekness, JRC would cope down in league 2 because he is robust enough to cope with the physical side, Buckley wouldn't, it would be counter productive, he could come back worse than when he went, some players need to develop organically, some need to be Pushed, Buckley is one of the organic types, he will be better served sticking around the 1st team for now as I think it will be an issue placing him sonewhere that's suits all parties

 

 I dont think he would get regular football at a top half League 1 side if I am honest. I definitely wouldnt send him to the Conference but he definitely needs game time, part of his education will involve toughening up and becoming more robust. Theres no use keeping him for the second half of the season as kids football isnt what he needs and we cant afford to carry him whilst he develops at this stage as hes not good enough to contribute at the same level as his team mates at the moment.

[stinny1]

Two quality loan signings that can go straight  into the team left back and a center half . I hope they give it a go if where still pushing for playoffs  in January

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I disagree. we have 2 very in form centre backs in the team so any new signing is going have to wait for their chance and take it. 

Mowbray's biggest problem is he is far too honest at times. Rather have him over certain past managers we had

Well it is a problem, as we will end up with some filler at best, sucking up a wage but may be no better than our youth defenders.

What we need is genuine, genuine competition for the two we have. If we can find someone better, then even better. Why wouldn't you want us to do that?

A prospective signing there should be told that at the very least we expect them to be a starter next season when Tosin leaves, and that they'll be given a real chance of breaking into the team this season. We will have fixture congestion, and they should expect to get a chance then, or during injury/suspension and be told if they take it they'll be in.

GK should be getting told they're the number one. Walton hasn't shown enough.