Barnsley (h) - the Cauldron Of Hate part 2?

[joey_big_nose]

9 minutes ago, tomphil said:

He's just coming up with systems to accommodate players that's all.  Hoping something just drops or clicks rather than any real drilled in plan.

In his mind he'll probably blame todays poor display on Rothwell !

I don't really agree with this. Tony had a clear plan in the summer with wide right striker formation, and bought players to fit into it.

The issue is the tactics really havent worked out. Further evidenced today by how we struggled against the bottom side in the division.

[simongarnerisgod]

Just now, Husky said:

I agree. As I predicted 3-1 and their 2nd was blatantly handball.

I had no doubt at all we would win. Though I didn't think we'd play so badly.

Barnsley are fucking dire. Those who think we have a chance of going down are deluded. We are pretty shit, but there are definitely 5 worse teams in this poor league. Even if we didn't have a manager we'd still stay up.

Our problem is that a decent manager could  and should have us in the top 6.

The worst thing is to accept the stability of 11-15th place that the happy clappers love.

if barnsley are so bad what does that say about us,they outplayed us in the 2nd half,i was pretty sure we`de avoid relegation,now im`e not sure,that performance was beyond bad and with 4 tough games coming up im`e very worried and angry that mowbray is taking the p**s,picking his favourite players and putting others in stupid positions were they should`nt be,i bet he does`nt start rothwell on wednesday night either,mowbray is dead to me now,the **** has lost the plot

[tomphil]

Just now, joey_big_nose said:

I don't really agree with this. Tony had a clear plan in the summer with wide right striker formation, and bought players to fit into it.

The issue is the tactics really havent worked out. Further evidenced today by how we struggled against the bottom side in the division.

Don't agree with that it seems to me he came up with that system to accommodate what he had and what he knew was in the pipeline in terms of Gallagher.  Him playing wide strikers is nothing new though you can bet your last dollar had Samuel been fit and Gallagher fallen through he'd have been starting out there. 

You'r saying it's not working but why is that is it the system or the players ? 

Either way he's goofed.

Edited November 24, 2019 by tomphil

[Sparks Rover]

Just now, tomphil said:

Don't agree with that it seems to me he came up with that system to accommodate what he had and what he knew was in the pipeline in terms of Gallagher. 

You'r saying it's not working but why is that is it the system or the players ? 

Either way he's goofed.

Players.... in key positions, i.e.goalie, left back, right back and at leat one centre half.  Defenders are coming!

[Crimpshrine]

1 hour ago, DavidMailsTightPerm said:

Wow - what an outburst.

During TM's time as manager - they bank rolled the biggest League 1 budget - and given him £12m to spend on two strikers - as well as continuing to pay the wages.

They are responsible for our demise - however we only need to look to Bolton to see where we could easily be.

 

As Venky's provide money to pay the bills and 'bank roll' the club, net laibilities increase proportionally. What's the debt now £170 million ? 

We may well end up like Bolton if the Bank of India decides it wants some money back.

[Wegerleswiggle]

Just now, Sparks Rover said:

Players.... in key positions, i.e.goalie, left back, right back and at leat one centre half.  Defenders are coming!

So is Father Christmas and we all know how that story ends!!!!

[AllRoverAsia]

39% possession at home to Barnsley results in Mowbray spending his post-match presser praising to high heaven the leagues bottom club.

And telling us performance doesn't matter.

No explanation of why Rothwell was subbed.

A day in the life of honest Mowbray.

[philipl]

I would far rather play abysmally and win than play brilliantly and lose.. I think.

In retrospect I had much better things to do yesterday afternoon and should have left my Rovers engagement to looking up the final score. And one of my proudest moments as a Rovers supporter was that 20 minutes when we had 90% possession at White Hart Lane in the game we eventually lost 3-2 sometime in the mid 2000s...

Let's put how bad Barnsley are in perspective. They have still only won one game all season. Before yesterday they had scored two goals away from home. They had had two weeks under a new manager to generate a new manager bounce, were playing over generous out of confidence hosts and still contrived to lose. Barnsley more than contributed their fare share to the direness of yesterday's spectacle.

All talking up Barnsley does is underline how terrible we were.

And we were terrible. When I look at the ratings of our players I know they are all much better individually than that. Mowbray is not only getting a team that is less than the sum of its parts, he is rapidly diminishing its parts.

At least we had most players in the positions they should be in.

But Gallagher on the wing and Armstrong up front is an experiment that had failed weeks ago. We had 12 attempts on goal and Armstrong off side six times. In other words a third of our likely goal attempts were nullified by Armstrong not doing a striker's most basic job. The fact coaching is failing to sort this out means he has to be dropped.

We are in a relegation battle with the good fortune of an 8 point cushion, 6 of which came in the most fortuitous of circumstances in the last two games. We will get as unlucky as Barnsley were yesterday in key games during the rest of this season.

And we had 39% possession yesterday which for a team that was dominating possession stats only a month ago evidences self-belief is gone.

Sadly Mowbray must go.

Edited November 24, 2019 by philipl

[matt83]

Was on a hospitality do at Stanley today so missed what sounds like a total shambles. It was very Phoenix nights and Stanley are tin pot by comparison but they’re a proper club. That’s a lot more than I can say about rovers currently. 

Andy Holt came over to the table thanked us all for coming and how much he appreciated it. Every game Stanley win he makes the bar a pound a pint. Then had Coleman pre match giving a few words. Not fluent in Scouse but there was a few digs at the bolton fans there which were funny.

Can you imagine it at rovers. The owners don’t know we’re playing but if they did I’m fairly sure they’d want us to win. I remember a united fan saying to me once we’re a much better club than rovers. At the time I said no you’re not you have a better team but don’t make the mistake in thinking you’re a better club. Can’t say that anymore to anyone. 

Ps. In a nuclear holocaust the only 2 things that would survive are cockroaches and Jason Lowe. Jesus wept. How did that guy survive the cull. He gave the ball away 5 times in the first half. 

[Stuart]

7 hours ago, Tom said:

Did you go for a brew for their second goal by any chance?

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[Ossydave]

Just now, matt83 said:

Was on a hospitality do at Stanley today so missed what sounds like a total shambles. It was very Phoenix nights and Stanley are tin pot by comparison but they’re a proper club. That’s a lot more than I can say about rovers currently. 

Andy Holt came over to the table thanked us all for coming and how much he appreciated it. Every game Stanley win he makes the bar a pound a pint. Then had Coleman pre match giving a few words. Not fluent in Scouse but there was a few digs at the bolton fans there which were funny.

Can you imagine it at rovers. The owners don’t know we’re playing but if they did I’m fairly sure they’d want us to win. I remember a united fan saying to me once we’re a much better club than rovers. At the time I said no you’re not you have a better team but don’t make the mistake in thinking you’re a better club. Can’t say that anymore to anyone. 

Ps. In a nuclear holocaust the only 2 things that would survive are cockroaches and Jason Lowe. Jesus wept. How did that guy survive the cull. He gave the ball away 5 times in the first half. 

Yeah they do that every game at Stanley. Fair play on tubbing that shit shower from down the road too ?

[Gone to seed]

6 hours ago, Crimpshrine said:

As Venky's provide money to pay the bills and 'bank roll' the club, net laibilities increase proportionally. What's the debt now £170 million ? 

We may well end up like Bolton if the Bank of India decides it wants some money back.

There is no hole in the Bank of India's finances, nor is there any reason for them to come calling on behalf of our (deluded) benefactors whose cash has been squandered for the past 9 years. If the Venkys wish to finance a weird vanity project for undisclosed reasons, just because they do this via an institution like BoI it doesn't mean BoI have any interest at all in the underlying reasons why they spend their money on us.

[USABlue]

14 hours ago, tomphil said:

Woeful stuff again amazing to say that after a 3-2 win but there it is. No doubt he's busy dressing it up as a 5 star performance against a good team in a false position to his paymasters in INdia via the presser.

Anyone in watching would have seen another insipid disjointed side getting out played by possibly the weakest side in the league. The extra quality we are able to afford over the likes of them saw that through just like it was enough for us in league 1.  Speaking of league 1 that's exactly what that defence is but then we've known that since we went down last time.

However a win is a win and it's all about the points so we'll take them, we've played better and lost but maybe not this season. That had the look of a relegation scrap for sure.

Spot effin on.

[Herbie6590]

7 hours ago, Crimpshrine said:

As Venky's provide money to pay the bills and 'bank roll' the club, net laibilities increase proportionally. What's the debt now £170 million ? 

We may well end up like Bolton if the Bank of India decides it wants some money back.

For the sake of factual accuracy, I know it’s unfashionable during an election campaign...Rovers are not in hock to the Bank of India as per the last accounts. Rovers debt (save for a relatively modest overdraft) is to Venky’s. 

[BankEnd Rover]

He needs to go before we loose our key players. If the right man came in sooner rather than later, the likes of Dack, Rothwell, Lenihan, Graham may stay. 

Automatic reply - Please walk Tony.

[Blue blood]

Game summed up our season. 

We have a few good players of top quality who can grab us a few points. 

We can rag a few wins to keep our head above water. 

Other clubs exist that have more issues than us. 

Overall our performance levels are poor, turgid and uninspiring. 

We also always leak 2 goals a game and need 3 to win. 

Our failings are compounded by an unbalanced squad and the clown of a manager playing multiple players who shouldn't be in the team in wrong positions, making us worse than we should be. 

 

No wonder fans are getting fed up! The silver lining is the whopping 7 points between us and relegation which means our shambles of a season probably won't end in relegation. 

[den9112]

Just now, Blue blood said:

Our failings are compounded by an unbalanced squad and the clown of a manager playing multiple players who shouldn't be in the team in wrong positions, making us worse than we should be. 

Hammer , Nail Head.......

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, BankEnd Rover said:

He needs to go before we loose our key players. If the right man came in sooner rather than later, the likes of Dack, Rothwell, Lenihan, Graham may stay. 

Automatic reply - Please walk Tony.

Its very easy for fans to keep posting please walk Mowbray when its not your job

[BankEnd Rover]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Its very easy for fans to keep posting please walk Mowbray when its not your job

Yeah...

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, BankEnd Rover said:

Yeah...

I felt he was ready to walk if we hadnt won. 

I also felt fans were ready to turn if Barnsley had took the lead. 

Atmosphere was awful. 

Edited November 24, 2019 by chaddyrovers

[Stuart]

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Its very easy for fans to keep posting please walk Mowbray when its not your job

Are we now supposed to keep him on because he needs the money?

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Stuart said:

Are we now supposed to keep him on because he needs the money?

Stuart, my view on Mowbray is the same as for the past few weeks. We need a change. The people I go with to Football all agree we need of manager. We discussed potential candidaties as I posted yesterday. 

Mowbray cant get us top 6 or even challenging for top 6 which IMO he should be doing so

[arbitro]

22 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Its very easy for fans to keep posting please walk Mowbray when its not your job

I and many others believe that the only way Mowbray will leave is if he does it of his own volition. We are £175m in debt which is rising each season, we have no leadership in the boardroom, we have (Dack aside) no discernible assets on the field, the ground is shabby and a plethora of other things. We have spent £12m on two young strikers who we would struggle to give away.

To address most of the above we need Premier League football and the vast majority feel that under the current set up (on and off the field) we haven't got a chance. I would like to say that at least we are treading water but we are not - we are regressing. There was more talk of relegation yesterday around where I sit because the reality of where we are as a club is biting. 

Can Mowbray deliver a promotion?

So to go back to my point I don't believe under the current ownership and structure Mowbray will be sacked. He has ingratiated himself on the owners and pretty much put himself at the top of the Ewood power base. So when people plead within to walk they believe it will be his decision.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, arbitro said:

I and many others believe that the only way Mowbray will leave is if he does it of his own volition. We are £175m in debt which is rising each season, we have no leadership in the boardroom, we have (Dack aside) no discernible assets on the field, the ground is shabby and a plethora of other things. We have spent £12m on two young strikers who we would struggle to give away.

To address most of the above we need Premier League football and the vast majority feel that under the current set up (on and off the field) we haven't got a chance. I would like to say that at least we are treading water but we are not - we are regressing. There was more talk of relegation yesterday around where I sit because the reality of where we are as a club is biting. 

Can Mowbray deliver a promotion?

So to go back to my point I don't believe under the current ownership and structure Mowbray will be sacked. He has ingratiated himself on the owners and pretty much put himself at the top of the Ewood power base. So when people plead within to walk they believe it will be his decision.

Well the spending of 12 mil on 2 strikers was Mowbray choice and it should be part of the reasons he loses his job. 

No Mowbray cannot deliver Top 6 finish IMO. My view has changed since the summer. 

We will be mid table team and nothing else under Mowbray..we wont be lower 16th but no higher than 12th which is a huge dissappointment to me. 

The owner have a decision to make. If they want promotion a change need to happen now

[K-Hod]

Whilst obviously, I’m glad (more relieved tbh) that we won yesterday. We were so poor.

Armstrong and Gallagher playing in the wrong positions, Walton dropping another clanger and Bennett being Bennett, we won in spite of those hinderances tbh. 
 

I do wonder how badly Armstrong has to play to be dropped, though. Taking Rothwell off instead of him was pathetic. 
 

Only real positive was a substitute scoring again.