Barnsley (h) - the Cauldron Of Hate part 2?

[MarkBRFC]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Not even close to losing the majority of match going fans. 

I’ve never known such a Teflon manager.
 

 

It's strange.

His record over the past 45 games since Preston away last year is pretty poor. 52 points from 45 games, so just enough to keep us out of that bottom three, with over 70 goals conceded in that time, two transfer windows and not a hint of a permanent deal for a defender.

I just can't imagine he survives that anywhere else, are we all really still clinging onto that third division season?

[MarkBRFC]

10 hours ago, simongarnerisgod said:

what would happen if bennett got injured

If it was any sort of serious injury, i honestly think Mowbray would just shut up shop and tell venkys we can't continue as a club anymore.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

Despite this being about as low as I've been about Rovers in my lifetime I still look forward to Saturday's when we're playing. International football can pop itself in the bin until the tournaments, frankly. 

How are you going to ruin my weekend this time, Tony? I foresee an appalling 2-2 draw with Tony really cracking in the interview afterwards and blaming it on Ryan Nyambe despite him not being in the squad before catching himself and talking about "investing in them as human beings on the training pitch next week" 

[Neal]

Been a while since i posted, almost totally lost interest. Got this one down as BTTS, seems to be a good bet for Rovers. 

 

On a separate note, has anyone else heard of any take over/buying in talk?  

[Neal]

Just now, MCMC1875 said:

No Neal, have you heard owt?

#FOV150

Heard something but that's about as much as i can say. Could be way off, hoping someone who may of heard the same might come forward and give it some more substance. 

Edited November 22, 2019 by Neal

[roverstdt]

7 hours ago, bluebruce said:

If we don't get the three points against Barnsley at home, surely there'll hardly be anybody left who doesn't want shut of TM. Anything short of a victory is absolutely and utterly unacceptable. I don't care if the ref sends off two of our players as soon as we kick off for no reason. Enough is enough. Win or fuck off Tony.

Spoiler alert - I'd quite like you to fuck off even if you win, unless you're about to learn and improve your decision-making dramatically, which I doubt.

A bit drastic for someone who took over from Coyle and has taken us to a far better position. I agree with a new voice, but to that level of anger is absolutely bamboozling 

[roverstdt]

2 hours ago, CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber said:

Despite this being about as low as I've been about Rovers in my lifetime I still look forward to Saturday's when we're playing. International football can pop itself in the bin until the tournaments, frankly. 

How are you going to ruin my weekend this time, Tony? I foresee an appalling 2-2 draw with Tony really cracking in the interview afterwards and blaming it on Ryan Nyambe despite him not being in the squad before catching himself and talking about "investing in them as human beings on the training pitch next week" 

Lower than getting relegated to League One? Lower than Steve Kean as manager? I think there are some short term memories. 

[roverstdt]

15 hours ago, JHRover said:

Enough money to give a contract to a perennially injured League One standard player who plays in a position we don't need out of sympathy/loyalty yet not enough money to keep our 15 goal set piece specialist/captain who actually plays and in a position we are short on numbers.

Something doesn't smell right.

Wasn't a pay to play appearance contract if i am not mistaken? 

[MarkBRFC]

Just now, Neal said:

Heard something but that's about as much as i can say. Could be way off, hoping someone who may of heard the same might come forward and give it some more substance. 

Unfortunately I imagine it will probably be miles off, no takeover is happening here, certainly not in the near future if ever. 

[roverstdt]

Would go with

 

-----------------------Walton-----------------

------Nyambe---Tosin-----Williams

Bennett----Holtby-----Travis------Downing

-----------------Dack----------------

-------Armstrong---Gallagher

[CD_93]

Just now, roverstdt said:

Would go with

 

-----------------------Walton-----------------

------Nyambe---Tosin-----Williams

Bennett----Holtby-----Travis------Downing

-----------------Dack----------------

-------Armstrong---Gallagher

Williams is injured.

[Blue blood]

17 minutes ago, roverstdt said:

A bit drastic for someone who took over from Coyle and has taken us to a far better position. I agree with a new voice, but to that level of anger is absolutely bamboozling 

What's the far better position? 

Graham and Mulgrew are years older and fading. A nice collection of midfielders aside the squad still looks unbalanced and weak in places. We've spent £15 million and have no credible replacement for Graham. We have a keeper who is Steele-esque at times (who we don't even own), we have a limited right midfielder as captain and right back, we're woefully short on defenders and in the summer will need to replace 5/6 players just to stand still! 

Yes we have some very good midfielders - Dack, Holtby and Travis -and I do think a better manager could get us doing much better with the squad we have, but when so many players aren't performing well, the squad is so unbalanced, we've spend £15 million on little return and we leak 2 goals a game I struggle to see massive improvement.  

[Neal]

38 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

Unfortunately I imagine it will probably be miles off, no takeover is happening here, certainly not in the near future if ever. 

Seems that way.

[roverstdt]

4 minutes ago, MCMC1875 said:

We are back to where we were when Mowbray came in.

Really? So i assume you would rather have:

Gordon Greer, Henley, Wes Brown, Jason Lowe, Hoban, Hendrie, Ward, Feeney, Akpan, Guthrie,Joao all back in the squad? 

We have a stronger squad and are not in the relegation zone, and have a far more stable club...You are right though lets go back to the glory days of 2017

[roverstdt]

13 minutes ago, Blue blood said:

What's the far better position? 

Graham and Mulgrew are years older and fading. A nice collection of midfielders aside the squad still looks unbalanced and weak in places. We've spent £15 million and have no credible replacement for Graham. We have a keeper who is Steele-esque at times (who we don't even own), we have a limited right midfielder as captain and right back, we're woefully short on defenders and in the summer will need to replace 5/6 players just to stand still! 

Yes we have some very good midfielders - Dack, Holtby and Travis -and I do think a better manager could get us doing much better with the squad we have, but when so many players aren't performing well, the squad is so unbalanced, we've spend £15 million on little return and we leak 2 goals a game I struggle to see massive improvement.  

If you want to give yourself a heart here is the squad he took over from: Now please don't tell me we are not in a better position...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_Blackburn_Rovers_F.C._season

[MarkBRFC]

Just now, roverstdt said:

If you want to give yourself a heart here is the squad he took over from: Now please don't tell me we are not in a better position...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_Blackburn_Rovers_F.C._season

On paper yes our squad is better than that one obviously, but our league position isn't showing much improvement at all from back then.

[JHRover]

1 hour ago, MarkBRFC said:

Unfortunately I imagine it will probably be miles off, no takeover is happening here, certainly not in the near future if ever. 

A consortium made up of the Sultan of Brunei, King of Saudi Arabia, Emir of Qatar and Bill Gates could publicly ring Venkys every day for a month to try and buy the club and they'd refuse to even answer and Rovers fans would still believe nobody was interested and Venkys are the best we can hope.for.

[roverstdt]

Just now, MarkBRFC said:

On paper yes our squad is better than that one obviously, but our league position isn't showing much improvement at all from back then.

We were relegated that year we haven't and finished 22nd right now we are 18th so if we are picking on technicalities yes we have. The memory of a fan is incredible. I am not even saying keep Mowbray in charge, but to think he is a villain and hasn't improved us in 2 and a half years is delusional. He got us up from League One, finished mid table the following season, have a stronger squad...I mean is it really that hard for fans to say he was actually one of the few managers under Venky's who has done an admirable job? 

[joey_big_nose]

48 minutes ago, CD_93 said:

Williams is injured.

Could end up with Bell in a back three. We tried it last season and actually won I think. Same game as Magloire made his debut.

[joey_big_nose]

Just now, roverstdt said:

We were relegated that year we haven't and finished 22nd right now we are 18th so if we are picking on technicalities yes we have. The memory of a fan is incredible. I am not even saying keep Mowbray in charge, but to think he is a villain and hasn't improved us in 2 and a half years is delusional. He got us up from League One, finished mid table the following season, have a stronger squad...I mean is it really that hard for fans to say he was actually one of the few managers under Venky's who has done an admirable job? 

Compared to 16/17 hes definitely improved us in one area - midfield - but we are undoubtably weaker in defence, and strikers (despite spending 12m) we're arguably significantly worse. At least in the last Coyle season we had Emnes on loan who was streets ahead of Gallagher and Brereton, and Graham was younger. Plus Lucas Jao made an impact, and we had Gallagher on loan then too.

He's really made his mistakes in terms of poor transfers. All the decent ones have been attacking mids. Everyone else has been weak except Cunningham and he got injured.

He's only got himself to blame for poor prioritisation.

Also he tactically committed to wide striker system which just has not worked at all. We're scrambling to find an effective way to play.

All hall marks of a manager on limited time.

Edited November 22, 2019 by joey_big_nose

[roverstdt]

Just now, joey_big_nose said:

Compared to 16/17 hes definitely improved us in one area - midfield - but we are undoubtably weaker in defence, and strikers (despite spending 12m) we're arguably significantly worse. At least in the last Coyle season we had Emnes on loan who was streets ahead of Gallagher and Brereton, and Graham was younger. Plus Lucas Jao made an impact, and we had Gallagher on loan then too.

He's really made his mistakes in terms of poor transfers. All the decent ones have been attacking mids. Everyone else has been weak except Cunningham and he got injured.

He's only got himself to blame for poor prioritisation.

Also he tactically committed to wide striker system which just has not worked at all. We're scrambling to find an effective way to play.

All hall marks of a manager on limited time.

No arguing his limits as a manager, more that overall he has left us in a better position. From the defence side i really struggle to see how? Greer and Brown were absolutely torrid players. I would very much take Tosin, Nyambe, Lenihan, WIlliams in our defence any day of the week than Greer Brown Hoban Hendrie and so forth. 

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, roverstdt said:

A bit drastic for someone who took over from Coyle and has taken us to a far better position. I agree with a new voice, but to that level of anger is absolutely bamboozling 

I can only think you haven't been paying attention. Suit yourself, but be prepared to be embarrassed by that stance the more time goes on. Going nowhere good under Tony anymore I'm afraid.

[roverstdt]

Just now, bluebruce said:

I can only think you haven't been paying attention. Suit yourself, but be prepared to be embarrassed by that stance the more time goes on. Going nowhere good under Tony anymore I'm afraid.

Oh I have mate, but are you telling me you would take Owen Coyle back any day over Mowbray? Are we last in the league? Are we in the relegation zone? Wishing upon a Steve Kean return? I think you will be embarrassed by your comments. I never said keep Mowbray, what i am saying is that you are massively overreaction and demonizing someone who has actually done a decent job for the club. 

[roverstdt]

 

Just now, MCMC1875 said:

We are headed for relegation with a weaker defence. That's my comparison.

That the beautiful think we heading doesn't guarantee anything we may stay up, like i can say "we are heading for promotion" there is no way even opinion can be proven contrary as we cannot predict the future. What i am saying today on the 22nd of November 2019 compare to 22nd of November 2016 are we in a better position as a club, with our squad and with our manager? Yes we are.

[Blue blood]

41 minutes ago, roverstdt said:

If you want to give yourself a heart here is the squad he took over from: Now please don't tell me we are not in a better position...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_Blackburn_Rovers_F.C._season

That's not a squad, that's a horror story! And pretty compelling. That's a nightmare of a squad.

Think my point is - or perhaps more clearly stated or ammended to - not so much we're not in a better position but that we've not improved that much given 5 windows and £15 million. The first choice keeper is still appalling, The defence is still threadbare - most bar the City lad are still the same as the ones who got relegated - and the squad is still very unbalanced. In fact I'd suggest the striker options that year are better than now. Most of all both squads have a horrible short termism to them with age and loan returns meaning there is no sustainability or momentum to them. 

Honestly that previous squad was a joke and utterly appalling. I'm not sure we could have a worse squad. But for us to be marginally better is not much of an achievement. Certainly given the time and money spent to have far too many similarities with this squad is a travesty. 

Yes there is improvement but not enough to write home about. In fact in the circumstances so little improvement is a sad indictment of TMs reign.