FFP Trouble

[Stuart]

4 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

You have this naive trust in Venky's which I find both touching and tragic in equal measures.Nobody with a choice would ever choose them.

Bit like Mowbray didn’t have a choice and little old Rovers have resurrected his career to the point of him being “the best we could ever hope to get”.

Just think if Mowbray ever left. We’d have to shut the club down.

[jim mk2]

1 hour ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Being a member of the Flat Earth Society is a remarkable act of faith - but the members are still potty.

Irrelevant and a non-sequitur - unless you are suggesting that billionaires are potty. 

 

[lraC]

3 hours ago, Leonard Venkhater said:

Quite.

Do we know how many of our player signings / extended contracts share the same criteria?

Brereton could well be attached to the same group, as for the rest, perhaps the owners were badly advised and have learned their lessons. On second thoughts, probably not. 

Edited January 16, 2020 by lraC

[Wegerleswiggle]

Derby in trouble for exceeding permitted losses.

[Leonard Venkhater]

14 minutes ago, Wegerleswiggle said:

Derby in trouble for exceeding permitted losses.

A 12 points deduction would put them in the bottom 2. However, I noted that the expedient penalty for Brum was calculated, so as not to do too much damage in terms of relegation!

[Mashed Potatoes]

16 minutes ago, Wegerleswiggle said:

Derby in trouble for exceeding permitted losses.

Yes, this issue is not going to go away.

[1864roverite]

Is it not as a result of selling the ground?

[Vinjay]

Quite ironic. Rooney played most of his career at a club that was one of the strongest FUP advocates and now the tables have turned. 

[Vinjay]

People are saying complaints from Steve Gibson prompted this. It wasn't Jack's fault that they were deducted 3 points so if this is a way of getting back at him that's pathetic. Maybe he should have blamed his arrogant (and incompetent) manager at that time and ask if he would have done the same to Man United. I doubt it.

Not to mention employing an absolute racist thicko like Jonathan Woodgate. So who the hell is he to tell people how to run things? Jackass.

[Pedro]

10 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

You have this naive trust in Venky's which I find both touching and tragic in equal measures.Nobody with a choice would ever choose them.

Again, steeped in irony that they provided you with your only man for the job. Your lack of factual information and general depth to your opinions is possibly the most tragic thing I've read on here, for quite some time.

 

 

[chaddyrovers]

Derby charged with excess losses

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/january/efl-statement-derby-county-charged-with-excess-losses

[Pedro]

20 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

We couldnt afford Bilic or Pearson wages. People are suddenly thinking we paid more we get one. But I think someone posted on here that Rovers have approach Pearson before and been rejected. Pardew, think him going overseas and trying to manage over there in Holland is a big bonus. 

Rowett and Warburton are both good managers imo similar to Mowbray. 

Chaddy, how on Earth would you know what wages we pay and what those individuals request?  Genuinely no offence, but simply put - you don't have the foggiest. 

Pearson was cast off and on the scrap heap, I doubt he was in a very strong negotiating position. Pardew's stock also tumbled- hence why he is managing a team that nobody has really heard of or cares for.  

[chaddyrovers]

35 minutes ago, Pedro said:

Chaddy, how on Earth would you know what wages we pay and what those individuals request?  Genuinely no offence, but simply put - you don't have the foggiest. 

Pearson was cast off and on the scrap heap, I doubt he was in a very strong negotiating position. Pardew's stock also tumbled- hence why he is managing a team that nobody has really heard of or cares for.  

well like I posted on this site very recently the wages we were paying Kean and Berg in this league. 

How did Coyle get the job when everything was agreed with Warnock to take over? Did he massively uncut how much we were going to pay Warnock per season?

Bilic was on 65k a week when he West Ham manager. Do you really think he would take such a drop in wages to join us? I wanted Bilic when we sacked Allardyce. 

All because you haven't heard who Pardew's new club doesn't mean the rest of us have. 

 

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, Pedro said:

Chaddy, how on Earth would you know what wages we pay and what those individuals request?  Genuinely no offence, but simply put - you don't have the foggiest. 

Pearson was cast off and on the scrap heap, I doubt he was in a very strong negotiating position. Pardew's stock also tumbled- hence why he is managing a team that nobody has really heard of or cares for.  

Wouldn't surprise me if Mowbray is in the upper pay bracket of Championship managers.

I don't think Vs are shy of generosity to people they like.

[Pedro]

30 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

well like I posted on this site very recently the wages we were paying Kean and Berg in this league. 

How did Coyle get the job when everything was agreed with Warnock to take over? Did he massively uncut how much we were going to pay Warnock per season?

Bilic was on 65k a week when he West Ham manager. Do you really think he would take such a drop in wages to join us? I wanted Bilic when we sacked Allardyce. 

All because you haven't heard who Pardew's new club doesn't mean the rest of us have. 

 

Kean started managing this club nearly ten years ago, Berg seven.  

Bilic was managing in the Premier League on those wages - not sure what the relevance of wanting him back then has to do with anything btw.

Coyle - again, I can't answer your questions as nobody knows. What I do know is Twitter rumour doesn't equate facts but the more it is spun and repeated, people seem to absorb it as gospel.

Re your little dig, I have heard of Pardew's team, but as I clearly state - nobody cares about them. Sticking to facts, he won't be on massive wages there because they are a ten-bob Dutch outfit who seemingly need Ben Brereton.  That says it all really.  I'm pretty sure he'd rather have got the call off us and the wage we offer - regardless of some of our super supporters trying to run us down.

[Amo]

44 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

well like I posted on this site very recently the wages we were paying Kean and Berg in this league. 

How did Coyle get the job when everything was agreed with Warnock to take over? Did he massively uncut how much we were going to pay Warnock per season?

Bilic was on 65k a week when he West Ham manager. Do you really think he would take such a drop in wages to join us? I wanted Bilic when we sacked Allardyce. 

All because you haven't heard who Pardew's new club doesn't mean the rest of us have. 

 

You never answered his question. 

[chaddyrovers]

14 minutes ago, Pedro said:

Kean started managing this club nearly ten years ago, Berg seven.  

Bilic was managing in the Premier League on those wages - not sure what the relevance of wanting him back then has to do with anything btw.

Coyle - again, I can't answer your questions as nobody knows. What I do know is Twitter rumour doesn't equate facts but the more it is spun and repeated, people seem to absorb it as gospel.

Re your little dig, I have heard of Pardew's team, but as I clearly state - nobody cares about them. Sticking to facts, he won't be on massive wages there because they are a ten-bob Dutch outfit who seemingly need Ben Brereton.  That says it all really.  I'm pretty sure he'd rather have got the call off us and the wage we offer - regardless of some of our super supporters trying to run us down.

Its show the wages we were paying then. I don't see they paying much more than that now. That's my opinion. I have shown what we paying. 

Do you have anything that show what we pay now or not? 

[DE.]

Considering the amounts we spent on Gallagher & Brereton, plus what it would have cost to extend costly contracts like Mulgrew and Evans I can't believe the money isn't there to afford a good manager if we were so inclined to do so. Unfortunately Venky's have always had it backwards in this respect, continually going for the cheap option for the management position even when spending decent money on players at times. Fair to say if we'd used to combined £12m it cost for Gallagher and Brereton and instead used it on a top Championship manager we'd likely be in a much better position right now. 

[JHRover]

Let's see what happens to Derby. Big brave talk on the League media platforms to show everyone how serious they are about breaches. Not quite the same as actually enforcing a significant points deduction.

When Birmingham did it they waited months and months until Birmingham had no realistic chance of promotion or relegation and then did them for 9 points which Birmingham were more than happy with. Suspect something similar will occur with mid table Derby.

Imagine the trouble if a deduction relegated a club or cost them promotion. A legal minefield awaits.

[Mashed Potatoes]

30 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Let's see what happens to Derby. Big brave talk on the League media platforms to show everyone how serious they are about breaches. Not quite the same as actually enforcing a significant points deduction.

When Birmingham did it they waited months and months until Birmingham had no realistic chance of promotion or relegation and then did them for 9 points which Birmingham were more than happy with. Suspect something similar will occur with mid table Derby.

Imagine the trouble if a deduction relegated a club or cost them promotion. A legal minefield awaits.

As I mentioned earlier on this thread last week 5 unnamed Championship clubs visited the EFL to register their dissatisfaction with the failure to set a date for the hearing on the Sheffield Wednesday situation and over Wednesday continuing to sign players. Clubs are now prepared to use lawyers to force the EFL to apply the FFP rules and a legal minefield also awaits if the EFL do not do so.

[Vinjay]

7 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

5 unnamed Championship clubs 

Cowards.

[RoverCanada]

13 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

As I mentioned earlier on this thread last week 5 unnamed Championship clubs visited the EFL to register their dissatisfaction with the failure to set a date for the hearing on the Sheffield Wednesday situation and over Wednesday continuing to sign players. Clubs are now prepared to use lawyers to force the EFL to apply the FFP rules and a legal minefield also awaits if the EFL do not do so.

Aye. It's one thing for clubs' highly-paid lawyers to run rings around the EFL (I see it all the time in my line of work with respect to poorly paid and overworked regulators!), but once other clubs' own highly-paid lawyers start lining up on the EFL's side...

We're also seeing that with clubs complaining to the EFL about Bolton's relatively lenient treatment in missing fixtures. It's not just the club facing sanctions but the implications for other clubs fighting for promotion/relegation.

Easy to get frustrated with the EFL's failings and all the fighting going on, but I actually see it as a welcome re-balancing. Maybe some self-policing is needed if the EFL isn't up to it. Thinking longer-term, at least as an interim measure if the EFL needs some time to retrench and improve its internal capacity after being so exposed.

Maybe a couple of the clubs will get away with the stadium selling gambit (it's actually kinda clever, and it's also important to keep in mind that it also raises running costs due to introducing stadium leasing costs. It only really helps within the 3-year FFP window that the profit is realised), but Derby claiming they sold their stadium at an 'independently-valued' £80m after having it valued in their accounts at £41m looks particularly egregious (good luck arguing for £39m in 'intangibles' there!)

Edited January 17, 2020 by RoverCanada

[Miller11]

The minutes have landed. Very vague.

[K-Hod]

8 minutes ago, Miller11 said:

The minutes have landed. Very vague.

Don’t be shy lad, link me up Scotty!

[Miller11]

4 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Don’t be shy lad, link me up Scotty!

https://www.rovers.co.uk/contentassets/397cfa67d2c44384a0c159ed2ab47774/ff-minutes-13.1.20.pdf

 

Its mostly pie talk.