Football League Suspended

[chaddyrovers]

 

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, Stuart said:

In response to the short season suggestion, I wonder if they could split the league into two parts, each fairly even - maybe every other team in league order. Liverpool in one ‘pool’ and City in the other for instance.

- 18 games plus title match.

The winners of each pool play each other for the title and the bottom two in each division go into play-offs the winner stays up.

- 18 games each plus 3 play-off matches.

Second placed teams automatic Champions League places

Third placed teams play each other for final champions league spot, runner up in Europa League.

- 18 games each plus European competition decider

Could probably even fit in the FA cup.

Similar arrangements in the rest of the divisions with 12 teams, so 22 matches - maybe split geographically to reduce costs.

There are lots of imaginative ways out of this, it all comes down to money.

Another good suggestion Stuart. 

Not in favour of shorter season as I think you could fit full season by having no League cup or FA cup for 1 season. If the season was to start in October. 

[JacknOry]

Its a complete mess that will lead to unhappy clubs no matter how it all pans out. The finishing of L1 and 2 as mentioned above, the relegated clubs and those in the playoff hunt will now be readying their lawyers. 

I think the only solution is to null the season and start again in August next year. Sucks for Leeds, Liverpool (poor sods LMAO) and the like but all this behind closed doors nonsense, playing in Australia etc is pointless in my opinion. Also, many players will refuse to play and rightfully so due to COVID.

[Parsonblue]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Another good suggestion Stuart. 

Not in favour of shorter season as I think you could fit full season by having no League cup or FA cup for 1 season. If the season was to start in October. 

As most of next season will be played behind closed doors it really doesn't matter if it's longer or shorter.  Next season will not be a proper season anyway.

[Stuart]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

 

Sunderland to stay down again! Scandalous really given the way a season can change in the final third, even quarter, with the January window recruits and as injuries and suspensions take their toll.

The precedent is set now for the top two divisions.

Perennial bottlers Leeds to finally get promoted by default. The champagne corks will be popping at PL HQ.

? ? ? ? 

I’d feel a bit sorry for Charlton after all they’ve been through in recent years.

Bournemouth to go down despite being one of three teams on 27 points. Definite out of court settlement looming there.

Liverpool to win the PL (not unjustly but unsatisfactorily), Leicester Champions league. United to qualify too instead of City - court case permitting.

Artificially finishing the season is not the same as scrapping it.

[arbitro]

52 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

And what happens if no vaccine is ever found? 

What the Dutch going to do then?

We have heard many of our football clubs rely on fans attending game. Rovers CEO say that 20% of our income. Many league 1 and 2 clubs who are businesses in reality will go bust over the next year I predict. Expect 15 clubs to go bust

UEFA have already said that the season must be finish by End of July. 

Our Footballing authorities? Well the FA has been silent just like UEFA have. Who both havent said much. The Premier League has engaged with the clubs and try to up with workable plan. 

The Government has put health first before our economy by keeping the lockdown in place for seventh week in a row. The government is trying to work with Sporting authorities of different sports. Many sports are affected by this whether it Cricket or Golf or etc. 2 sports where I was set to attend during the summer..

You're asking the wrong person. Not watching sport and keeping people safe is a small price to pay for however long this goes on.

I agree with Parson with the way some leading figures in football have conducted themselves. They have left me feeling disillusioned to such a degree that I don't think I will renew my Sky subscription when football is back on our screens. The biggest thing I've missed about not going to the Rovers is seeing friends and family.

[JacknOry]

12 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Sunderland to stay down again! Scandalous really given the way a season can change in the final third, even quarter, with the January window recruits and as injuries and suspensions take their toll.

The precedent is set now for the top two divisions.

Perennial bottlers Leeds to finally get promoted by default. The champagne corks will be popping at PL HQ.

? ? ? ? 

I’d feel a bit sorry for Charlton after all they’ve been through in recent years.

Bournemouth to go down despite being one of three teams on 27 points. Definite out of court settlement looming there.

Liverpool to win the PL (not unjustly but unsatisfactorily), Leicester Champions league. United to qualify too instead of City - court case permitting.

Artificially finishing the season is not the same as scrapping it.

Exactly - the above scenario is far more unfair than just starting again with all teams in the same division as they are now. The only losers are the Liverpools, Leeds etc who will feel they deserve their trophies/titles/promotion etc. 

Call me morbid but I am quite interested to see how this is going to pan out and how it will shake up football. I think everything has to be done to keep clubs afloat first and foremost. 

 

[chaddyrovers]

20 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

Its a complete mess that will lead to unhappy clubs no matter how it all pans out. The finishing of L1 and 2 as mentioned above, the relegated clubs and those in the playoff hunt will now be readying their lawyers. 

I think the only solution is to null the season and start again in August next year. Sucks for Leeds, Liverpool (poor sods LMAO) and the like but all this behind closed doors nonsense, playing in Australia etc is pointless in my opinion. Also, many players will refuse to play and rightfully so due to COVID.

I suspect if you null and void the season, clubs will take league authorities to court..can see WBA, Leeds being just 2 of them of loads. 

If you null and void the season how do you sort out the Champions league and Europa leagues spots? 

19 minutes ago, Parsonblue said:

As most of next season will be played behind closed doors it really doesn't matter if it's longer or shorter.  Next season will not be a proper season anyway.

But clubs would still generate some sort of income through tv rights and fans buying I follow subscription like season ticket. 

15 minutes ago, Stuart said:

Sunderland to stay down again! Scandalous really given the way a season can change in the final third, even quarter, with the January window recruits and as injuries and suspensions take their toll.

The precedent is set now for the top two divisions.

Perennial bottlers Leeds to finally get promoted by default. The champagne corks will be popping at PL HQ.

? ? ? ? 

I’d feel a bit sorry for Charlton after all they’ve been through in recent years.

Bournemouth to go down despite being one of three teams on 27 points. Definite out of court settlement looming there.

Liverpool to win the PL (not unjustly but unsatisfactorily), Leicester Champions league. United to qualify too instead of City - court case permitting.

Artificially finishing the season is not the same as scrapping it.

Even scraping it the season will leave clubs bringing lawyers in to sue the leagues authorities. 

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, arbitro said:

You're asking the wrong person. Not watching sport and keeping people safe is a small price to pay for however long this goes on.

I agree with Parson with the way some leading figures in football have conducted themselves. They have left me feeling disillusioned to such a degree that I don't think I will renew my Sky subscription when football is back on our screens. The biggest thing I've missed about not going to the Rovers is seeing friends and family.

This could go on for a lifetime if no vaccine is found for many years. Most Football clubs would be gone..

My sports subscription will resume as soon as live sport is back. 

I miss everything. Seeing family, friends, going football with daughter and friends, watching sport, going on holidays, days outs, and socialising with family and friends in the pub. But I follow the rules and guidelines set by the government and saficise our daily life to stay safe and protect us, others and NHS. 

[K-Hod]

The bottom line for me is public health is much more important than ‘sporting integrity’ (money). End of.

[rigger]

1 hour ago, Stuart said:

In response to the short season suggestion, I wonder if they could split the league into two parts, each fairly even - maybe every other team in league order. Liverpool in one ‘pool’ and City in the other for instance.

- 18 games plus title match.

The winners of each pool play each other for the title and the bottom two in each division go into play-offs the winner stays up.

- 18 games each plus 3 play-off matches.

Second placed teams automatic Champions League places

Third placed teams play each other for final champions league spot, runner up in Europa League.

- 18 games each plus European competition decider

Could probably even fit in the FA cup.

Similar arrangements in the rest of the divisions with 12 teams, so 22 matches - maybe split geographically to reduce costs.

There are lots of imaginative ways out of this, it all comes down to money.

To tell you the truth I couldn’t give a toss about the Premier league and European trophy’s, I am mainly interested in what happens at the Rovers.

[tomphil]

Some really good ideas there Stuart but more than likely way beyond the thinking of the FA and co.

[Mattyblue]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

This could go on for a lifetime if no vaccine is found for many years. Most Football clubs would be gone..

My sports subscription will resume as soon as live sport is back. 

I miss everything. Seeing family, friends, going football with daughter and friends, watching sport, going on holidays, days outs, and socialising with family and friends in the pub. But I follow the rules and guidelines set by the government and saficise our daily life to stay safe and protect us, others and NHS. 

The wider game I’ve increasingly disliked over the past decade and I’m not missing it one bit, and it’s antics this past month has only reinforced that.

I am missing seeing friends and family at Ewood, that routine I’ve followed for decades, that joy and excitement of representing ‘the club’ on away days etc. In general the sense of belonging to ‘Blackburn Rovers’, the ‘club’ not being carpetbaggers like Waggott who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing, but that feeling of being part of something, bound up in family ties and a link to your town and heritage going back nearly 150 years, Bobby Robson summed it up so well 

However, a lot of Ewood attendees aren’t fanatics like me and you, they go out of habit and once it’s broken (along with health and financial worries) many will drop their ST without hesitation.

For a match going fanbase that has never recovered from the Kean debacle, it will be further decimation (unless there is a hell of an enticing offer on season tickets).

 

Edited May 8, 2020 by Mattyblue

[JacknOry]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

I suspect if you null and void the season, clubs will take league authorities to court..can see WBA, Leeds being just 2 of them of loads. 

If you null and void the season how do you sort out the Champions league and Europa leagues spots? 

That's still far fewer upset clubs than if you end the season on a points-by-game basis. You will have all relegated clubs up in arms and anyone currently in 4th, 5th and 6th and those that had a chance of making the playoffs. You cannot just guestimate how the season will finish - its wrong. You either finish the season or null and void it. As the former is a logistical mess - the easiest option is the latter. 

As for your second question, dunno, perhaps a poker tournament involving PL managers? Draw straws? i dont really care. Put the same teams that were in it this season.

[arbitro]

An interesting idea for the PL if 'Project Restart' doesn't happen. It's points per game but weighted with separate home and away from taken into account. And the real beauty of this is that West Ham would be relegated ??.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/premier-league-table-decided-weighted-21995675

[Norbert Rassragr]

Will all this mean Coventry City are promoted? About time the club had some good news. Now all they need to do is sort out a ground. 

[chaddyrovers]

 

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, JacknOry said:

That's still far fewer upset clubs than if you end the season on a points-by-game basis. You will have all relegated clubs up in arms and anyone currently in 4th, 5th and 6th and those that had a chance of making the playoffs. You cannot just guestimate how the season will finish - its wrong. You either finish the season or null and void it. As the former is a logistical mess - the easiest option is the latter. 

As for your second question, dunno, perhaps a poker tournament involving PL managers? Draw straws? i dont really care. Put the same teams that were in it this season.

Like I said you cant just null and void due to a number of factors like Champions league places, Europa leagues places and who go down. 

The argeement is that 3 teams go down and 3 go up..that's agreement is between PL and EFL. 

Plus if teams like WBA and Leeds dont go up it wont end in the court room if it null and void. 

Put the teams that was in it last season? So Leicester, Sheff Utd and Wolves wont object to that aswell? Arsenal and Spurs arent in those spots. 

[chaddyrovers]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

The wider game I’ve increasingly disliked over the past decade and I’m not missing it one bit. 

I am missing the game and other sports aswell as all my family and friends are. I meant to be attend a couple of sporting events over this summer with Friends so that's sucks but understandable in the current situation. 

 

[JacknOry]

12 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Like I said you cant just null and void due to a number of factors like Champions league places, Europa leagues places and who go down. (nobody goes down)

The argeement is that 3 teams go down and 3 go up..that's agreement is between PL and EFL. (nobody goes up or down)

Plus if teams like WBA and Leeds dont go up it wont end in the court room if it null and void. (it will already end up in court either way - all clubs being relegated throughout the leagues without the season finishing will be there alongside anyone in or close to the playoffs should the result be that the top 3 go up)

Put the teams that was in it last season? So Leicester, Sheff Utd and Wolves wont object to that aswell? Arsenal and Spurs arent in those spots. (dont care about Champions League or Europa at this point - don't put any teams in those competitions then) 

My point is that you either have to finish the season or null it. Guessing how the season finishes is completely unfair. How do we know that Leeds might not collapse again? How do we know that we might make a surge and finish in the playoffs? How do we know that one of the bottom three might put a good run together and avoid relegation? 

[roversfan99]

I dont understand this focus on potential legal cases. If the season is finished behind closed doors, there will be legal cases. If the season is declared null and void, there will be legal cases. Whoever misses out will enforce legal proceedings. It shouldnt be an issue anyway, the legalities are not a reason to base a decision on in such a situation.

You cannot maintain any sort of integrity by finishing the top league or top 2 leagues, but having a situation where some teams are relegated having played a full season and replaced by teams who havent been able to get promoted justifiably. Absolutely farcical.

If its null and voided across the board then at least theres consistency. Essentially the 2019/2020 season is wiped from the record books, there is no need to rush teams to finish half arsed seasons, with potentially reluctant or unwilling players risking their health imminently, the season re starts after all clubs have had discussions over the summer regarding mutually agreed terms in regards to a potentially partially behind closed doors season. The leagues in which teams are in and continental qualification just is based on last season. Not ideal, but no way is ideal.

Also, with games behind closed doors assuming the season is to be finished, income is massively restricted. The primary expense to a football club is player wages, which at the moment are reduced. Surely they would revert back to 100% if they were playing games again?

I see that Fiorentina has had 6 new cases including 3 players and Torino also have a new one. This sort of thing will surely not be a one off.

[rigger]

The league should make a decision. If they are then taken to court. A ruling should be made that these are unpresidented circumstances, and all cases against the league are thrown out.

It won’t suit everyone, but shit happens.

[chaddyrovers]

58 minutes ago, JacknOry said:

My point is that you either have to finish the season or null it. Guessing how the season finishes is completely unfair. How do we know that Leeds might not collapse again? How do we know that we might make a surge and finish in the playoffs? How do we know that one of the bottom three might put a good run together and avoid relegation? 

We don't but if you finish the season then teams cant too complain as they have finish the season. 

Null it will just leave to massive legal battles

[rigger]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

We don't but if you finish the season then teams cant too complain as they have finish the season. 

Null it will just leave to massive legal battles

Only if the legal system recognised the complaints. They could just say that these are unprecedented circumstances and rule against the complaints.

[chaddyrovers]

59 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

I dont understand this focus on potential legal cases. If the season is finished behind closed doors, there will be legal cases. If the season is declared null and void, there will be legal cases. Whoever misses out will enforce legal proceedings. It shouldnt be an issue anyway, the legalities are not a reason to base a decision on in such a situation.

You cannot maintain any sort of integrity by finishing the top league or top 2 leagues, but having a situation where some teams are relegated having played a full season and replaced by teams who havent been able to get promoted justifiably. Absolutely farcical.

If its null and voided across the board then at least theres consistency. Essentially the 2019/2020 season is wiped from the record books, there is no need to rush teams to finish half arsed seasons, with potentially reluctant or unwilling players risking their health imminently, the season re starts after all clubs have had discussions over the summer regarding mutually agreed terms in regards to a potentially partially behind closed doors season. The leagues in which teams are in and continental qualification just is based on last season. Not ideal, but no way is ideal.

Also, with games behind closed doors assuming the season is to be finished, income is massively restricted. The primary expense to a football club is player wages, which at the moment are reduced. Surely they would revert back to 100% if they were playing games again?

I see that Fiorentina has had 6 new cases including 3 players and Torino also have a new one. This sort of thing will surely not be a one off.

Legal issues will be considered by the PL and EFL teams if the season is null and void or finished now. Simple as. 

League 1 and 2 clubs seem happy to end the season now as their players have been furlough and some players contract end at this month. Premier League and Championship clubs want to finish. Burnley's Ben Mee has said they want to finish the season and even in neutral venues. 

You cannot based the continental qualification on last seasons as a number of those clubs aren't in the current spots for those competition. Like Spurs who are 8th currently but would qualify for Champions league but Leicester who are 3 don't qualified for champions league football. Arsenal are 9th or 10th but qualify for Europa league. 

If you look at Rick Parry's comments about a couple of seasons ago the PL received 3 billions pounds in TV revenue which all went on Players wages. 

Rovers players wages are cut till end of June so they wont be back 100% till after that. 

But we don't know the circumstances of those players inflected and how in Italy. But lets see how the German model goes on for a couple of weeks. If it goes well there then surely it can here