Coronavirus - Football Pay & Moral Vacuums

[Atko's Engine]

Liverpool have just reversed their decision to furlough non-playing staff according to the BBC, and will "find alternative means" to fund staff wages.

Well I suppose they got to the right conclusion in the end.

[arbitro]

1 minute ago, Atko's Engine said:

Liverpool have just reversed their decision to furlough non-playing staff according to the BBC, and will "find alternative means" to fund staff wages.

Well I suppose they got to the right conclusion in the end.

They have been embarrassed into reversing the decision and their statement is quite pathetic. Hopefully the mud will stick for some time.

[Blue blood]

Encouraging. It suggests that fan and media power has some (limited) influence. Hopefully it can encourage the premier league and players to actually do something positive. 

[47er]

On 05/04/2020 at 20:20, Bohinen 22 said:

Let's hope the season gets voided and we can all laugh at Liverpool. That would cheer me up. Furloughing staff using government money with the wages they pay out and the money they generate. An absolute parasite of a club.

I don't get why Liverpool are copping all the flack though. Several Premier League clubs are doing the same thing. Spurs and Norwich off the top of my head are 2 of them.

[RevidgeBlue]

42 minutes ago, 47er said:

I don't get why Liverpool are copping all the flack though. Several Premier League clubs are doing the same thing. Spurs and Norwich off the top of my head are 2 of them.

Don't think you can put Norwich and Bournemouth in the same financial category as Spurs and Liverpool though. 

Newcastle are a bit of an exception as Ashley wants to sell therefore he probably doesn't see why he should fund this current loss if he can (legitimately) get away with it.

Edited April 7, 2020 by RevidgeBlue

[47er]

Any Premier League club is rich but why aren't Spurs copping as much flak as Liverpool?

Because Liverpool are runaway leaders?

There's a longer list but I can't remember who's on and who isn't, apart from City who aren't.

[Mattyblue]

Tottenham were getting a lot of flak last week.

However, the reason Liverpool get more grief is their previous tone of moral superiority and sanctimony... ‘we are Liverpool, this means more’, ‘a club steeped in the Socialist ethos of Bill Shankly and our city’ and on it goes.

They’ve been outed as greedy hypocrites no different than any other big football club.

Edited April 7, 2020 by Mattyblue

[K-Hod]

You can be certain that Liverpool fans will find a way to make this all not their fault.

[tomphil]

They already did 'Why's everyone picking on us when xyz are doing similar' .

Failing to grasp the irony of being one of the richest clubs obviously.

Edited April 7, 2020 by tomphil

[HowieFive0]

This is why ..

[chaddyrovers]

 

[OldEwoodBlue]

6 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Tottenham were getting a lot of flak last week.

However, the reason Liverpool get more grief is their previous tone of moral superiority and sanctimony... ‘we are Liverpool, this means more’, ‘a club steeped in the Socialist ethos of Bill Shankly and our city’ and on it goes.

They’ve been outed as greedy hypocrites no different than any other big football club.

tbf Liverpool fans were up in arms about the decision and have contributed to its prompt reversal. Fans can't be tarred with the same brush as their owners.

Shame Rovers fans didn't stand up against Venkys and Kean whilst there was still some power in unity.

Instead the "1%" protested whilst too many others were silent or complicit happy clappers who now pedal the owners are victims line and wave their season tickets as a badge of super fan honour.

 

[Mattyblue]

A good percentage of said happy clappers were never seen again after 2012...

[Bohinen 22]

Great shout by Ian Holloway about that scum bag Kyle Walker. Said he's a disgrace and should be chucked out the club and never play for England again. Said front line nhs and carers should be paid the big bucks. At last a football person sticking his head up and standing up against the greed and selfishness. That little s@&t Grealish should never play for England now either. Meanwhile Jose has a training session with Ndombele and other Spurs players go jogging together. Rules clearly don't apply to them.

[longsiders1882]

On 05/04/2020 at 12:56, Silas said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-jon-walters-coates-4020575.amp

In amongst all the bad press of this,  let's give some credit where it's due.

Denise Coates is one of the highest paid women in the World and takes a lot of flack because of the negative connotations attached to gambling. 

But in 2019, she was the single biggest personal tax contributor in the Uk.

Her company paid more taxes in 1 year than Amazon has in 20 years.

She doesn't hide all her money in offshore accounts and fiddle the system. 

And Stoke were one of the first to assure all their staff they will receive full pay for the next 5 months. And, as I understand it, they won't take a penny from the Government. 

Very impressive stuff. 

 

On 07/04/2020 at 10:33, RevidgeBlue said:

Don't think you can put Norwich and Bournemouth in the same financial category as Spurs and Liverpool though. 

Newcastle are a bit of an exception as Ashley wants to sell therefore he probably doesn't see why he should fund this current loss if he can (legitimately) get away with it.

Just for the record we immediately said we would pay all staff and would not be using the government scheme. In premier league terms we are not rich, we don't have a rich benefactor. If we can afford it then most of the others surely can?

[Vinjay]

23 hours ago, HowieFive0 said:

This is why ..

Liverpool fans have many faults (as evidenced by their tedious FUP behaviour recently) but Shankly for the most part is remembered as a God.

Whereas Jack Walker is remembered like an uncle people quite liked. Socialism does not work despite it's downsides the best model is capitalism. Obviously Jack was a capitalist but he could be considered an exceptional "social capitalist".

Edited April 8, 2020 by Vinjay

[Silas]

42 minutes ago, longsiders1882 said:

 

Just for the record we immediately said we would pay all staff and would not be using the government scheme. In premier league terms we are not rich, we don't have a rich benefactor. If we can afford it then most of the others surely can?

So, you've come on a Rovers messageboard hoping we're going to give your mob some credit.  

Now, these may be unprecedented times, the strangest and most mindboggling era of a lifetime....... but let's not get silly eh. 

Come back when you've cured cancer and solved World poverty and we'll chat. ?

Oh......and finally.......stay safe. ?

[jim mk2]

1 hour ago, Vinjay said:

 Obviously Jack was a capitalist but he could be considered an exceptional "social capitalist".

Walker was a tax avoider - the worst kind of greedy capitalist because the tax he avoided paying would have helped to make the lives better of those who worked for him. 

Bill Shankly would have despised Walker. 

[Mattyblue]

A hollow title win for you then, James?

[tomphil]

1 hour ago, jim mk2 said:

Walker was a tax avoider - the worst kind of greedy capitalist because the tax he avoided paying would have helped to make the lives better of those who worked for him. 

Bill Shankly would have despised Walker. 

He did in 1992-1995

[J*B]

2 hours ago, jim mk2 said:

Walker was a tax avoider - the worst kind of greedy capitalist because the tax he avoided paying would have helped to make the lives better of those who worked for him. 

Bill Shankly would have despised Walker. 

Avoided personal tax - perhaps. But economically he almost single handedly revolutionised a small cotton town through his businesses, employing thousands of local people who where all paying tax. He did his bit. 

[Vinjay]

...and with that said I've done my bit.

[jim mk2]

3 minutes ago, J*B said:

Avoided personal tax - perhaps. But economically he almost single handedly revolutionised a small cotton town through his businesses, employing thousands of local people who where all paying tax. He did his bit. 

No doubt about that but it doesn't make it right that as an ultra wealthy individual he chose to avoid paying tax that pays for public services including the NHS, police, armed forces and schools by going to live in the Channel islands. Alot of people couldn't give a flying fig about football or Rovers - they're entitled to be miffed by the actions of him and other wealthy folk who avoid paying the taxes that the little people pay. 

Anyway, back to the coronavirus moral vacuums

[Roverthechimp]

So the latest idea is that footballers will give what they are comfortable with... I'm guessing pre-tax or with tax relief and about 1% p/a on average ?

[arbitro]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52249423

Norwich furlough non playing staff but sign a new player on a three year deal. They haven't admitted if they have paid a few of not but the timing of this is incredibly poor in my view.