Summer Transfer Window

[47er]

  On 21/07/2020 at 09:51, phili said:

I think all 5 will be gone as well as a few more at probably pretty low prices.

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If we sell them then the last 3 years will have been a lie. We won't have been "building" at all will we?

[Blue blood]

  On 21/07/2020 at 10:41, rigger said:

So another load of pure speculation 

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No I think it's pretty factual that without those 5 we would be in trouble. You seem to be struggling with the difference between commenting on squad strength and saying players will leave. I'm talking about squad strength not whether they will leave. 

For example if I say without a car I would struggle to do my job I am not predicting the car is going to break down or crash, but rather staying an essential for the job. To dismiss such a statement as pure speculation totally misses the point. It's not about likelihood but capability. 

Likewise in both cases said capacity issue could occur and it's worth thinking on the risks or probability issues. That's what others are talking about, how likely are we to need to sell? Whilst there is a huge element of uncertainty - we can't see into the future - evidence can be weighed up and judges conclusions made. Also scenarios can be formed - of X then Y. Admittedly there is an element of speculation to this but one based on reason and probabilities. 

So, apart from totally misunderstanding my post, since you don't seem to like any sort of uncertainty I would suggest this perhaps isn't the best  thread for you! 

[davulsukur]

  On 21/07/2020 at 10:56, 47er said:

If we sell them then the last 3 years will have been a lie. We won't have been "building" at all will we?

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Exactly.

Players like Samuel, Bennett, Williams, Bell etc should be the ones shown the door and the long term strategy should have been to upgrade on those, not flog our best players that we should be building the team around.

[Bigdoggsteel]

  On 21/07/2020 at 09:49, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I'd put Travis in front of Lenihan, One is improving and the other one isn't. There's no point putting Dack in that list until he's played again.

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I was going off current cost. Do you think Travis would bring in more of a fee than Lenihan? 

[dingles staying down 4ever]

  On 21/07/2020 at 10:40, chaddyrovers said:

 

Aren't the bank of India loans with Venkys London limited? 

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Aren't Rovers only asset that Venky's London Ltd  have? Genuine question Chris 

[Bigdoggsteel]

  On 21/07/2020 at 09:54, dingles staying down 4ever said:

I personally think that out of those five only Armstrong may go for anywhere 5 million. Nymabe is not even a permanent fixture in the team and Dack will need to prove his fitness before anyone will buy him. Lenihan has too many mistakes in him for anyone to pay big money for him.

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What is with the negativity today? Armstrong and Dack are easily worth more than £5 million now and Lenihan not far off it. Didn't Sheffield united bid £4.5 million for him last summer? 

[chaddyrovers]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:11, dingles staying down 4ever said:

Aren't Rovers only asset that Venky's London Ltd  have? Genuine question Chris 

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I think so

[Mashed Potatoes]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:11, Bigdoggsteel said:

What is with the negativity today? Armstrong and Dack are easily worth more than £5 million now and Lenihan not far off it. Didn't Sheffield united bid £4.5 million for him last summer? 

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It's probably going to prove the case that with many clubs forced sellers transfer fees below the very top level will reduce.

[rigger]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:02, Blue blood said:

No I think it's pretty factual that without those 5 we would be in trouble. You seem to be struggling with the difference between commenting on squad strength and saying players will leave. I'm talking about squad strength not whether they will leave. 

For example if I say without a car I would struggle to do my job I am not predicting the car is going to break down or crash, but rather staying an essential for the job. To dismiss such a statement as pure speculation totally misses the point. It's not about likelihood but capability. 

Likewise in both cases said capacity issue could occur and it's worth thinking on the risks or probability issues. That's what others are talking about, how likely are we to need to sell? Whilst there is a huge element of uncertainty - we can't see into the future - evidence can be weighed up and judges conclusions made. Also scenarios can be formed - of X then Y. Admittedly there is an element of speculation to this but one based on reason and probabilities. 

So, apart from totally misunderstanding my post, since you don't seem to like any sort of uncertainty I would suggest this perhaps isn't the best  thread for you! 

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I certainly don’t like these uncertain times

[MarkBRFC]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:09, Bigdoggsteel said:

I was going off current cost. Do you think Travis would bring in more of a fee than Lenihan? 

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I think at the moment he would definitely.

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:11, Bigdoggsteel said:

What is with the negativity today? Armstrong and Dack are easily worth more than £5 million now and Lenihan not far off it. Didn't Sheffield united bid £4.5 million for him last summer? 

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That was the summer before our league one campaign, apart from that I haven't seen a sniff of interest in Lenihan since. He's one of our better players don't get me wrong but i'm not convinced he's good enough for the top flight.

[phili]

  On 21/07/2020 at 10:56, 47er said:

If we sell them then the last 3 years will have been a lie. We won't have been "building" at all will we?

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I would agree we should be building around them.

A building strategy is always a silly idea, as things change. If you have a chance for promotion you go for it whenever it arises as you may never get another chance.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:11, Bigdoggsteel said:

What is with the negativity today? Armstrong and Dack are easily worth more than £5 million now and Lenihan not far off it. Didn't Sheffield united bid £4.5 million for him last summer? 

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That was before Corvid 19 so it is time to see what effect this will have on prices but lets be realistic. The only figure I saw for Lenihan was 2.5 mill, which I think is more like the price a defender with no premiership experience will bring.

[dingles staying down 4ever]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:12, chaddyrovers said:

I think so

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So another genuine question, please dont get offended, but if the loan is agianst Venky's London where can it raise capital if not Rovers so technically whats the difference if the loan is against Rovers or Venkys London?

Edited July 21, 2020 by dingles staying down 4ever

[Bigdoggsteel]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:13, Mashed Potatoes said:

It's probably going to prove the case that with many clubs forced sellers transfer fees below the very top level will reduce.

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Perhaps and if that is the case, we could pick up the likes of Curtis from Pompey cheaper 

[Bigdoggsteel]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:15, MarkBRFC said:

I think at the moment he would definitely.

That was the summer before our league one campaign, apart from that I haven't seen a sniff of interest in Lenihan since. He's one of our better players don't get me wrong but i'm not convinced he's good enough for the top flight.

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No chance IMO, not right now. 

[K-Hod]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:11, Bigdoggsteel said:

What is with the negativity today? Armstrong and Dack are easily worth more than £5 million now and Lenihan not far off it. Didn't Sheffield united bid £4.5 million for him last summer? 

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Whilst I agree that they should command greater fees than those, it’s not necessarily just about what someone is willing to pay, as much as it’s about what Venky’s are willing to accept....

[tomphil]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:11, dingles staying down 4ever said:

Aren't Rovers only asset that Venky's London Ltd  have? Genuine question Chris 

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Apart from the 3 million they invested in Akon.....

[Mashed Potatoes]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:20, Bigdoggsteel said:

Perhaps and if that is the case, we could pick up the likes of Curtis from Pompey cheaper 

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If we're buyers you are correct. The question is : will we be in that position ?

[RoversClitheroe]

  On 21/07/2020 at 10:46, Norbert Rassragr said:

Mark Robins said Coventry city will have the lowest budget in the league on Saturday when he was a guest on Final Score. SISU have also been asset strippers for years, selling any good players/promising prospects as soon as they can. It's surprising they've spent any money at all so far.

 

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Wycombe less of a budget

[Bigdoggsteel]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:16, dingles staying down 4ever said:

That was before Corvid 19 so it is time to see what effect this will have on prices but lets be realistic. The only figure I saw for Lenihan was 2.5 mill, which I think is more like the price a defender with no premiership experience will bring.

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Do you really need examples of defenders without PL experience moving for more than that? It will be interesting to see if prices go down that much, but back in January 2.5 million wouldn't get you a top League 1 defender 

[Bigdoggsteel]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:20, K-Hod said:

Whilst I agree that they should command greater fees than those, it’s not necessarily just about what someone is willing to pay, as much as it’s about what Venky’s are willing to accept....

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Of course and we don't know their thoughts(not even Mowbray seems to!) but I don't think they are going to start selling cheaply whilst Mowbray is here. 

[Mashed Potatoes]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:22, RoversClitheroe said:

Wycombe less of a budget

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Yes - Coventry and Wycombe are 2 of the clubs whose own position means that they are likely to oppose proposals to relax the FFP rules.

[Bigdoggsteel]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:21, Mashed Potatoes said:

If we're buyers you are correct. The question is : will we be in that position ?

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[phili]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:23, Bigdoggsteel said:

Of course and we don't know their thoughts(not even Mowbray seems to!) but I don't think they are going to start selling cheaply whilst Mowbray is here. 

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If history is any indicator, he won't have a say. 

[tomphil]

  On 21/07/2020 at 11:08, davulsukur said:

Exactly.

Players like Samuel, Bennett, Williams, Bell etc should be the ones shown the door and the long term strategy should have been to upgrade on those, not flog our best players that we should be building the team around.

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Some if not all of those should have been moved on before now but that's not how he works. I think some of the 'i build football clubs' spiel is a covering line for him keeping all the pals together.