Goalkeepers

[rigger]

44 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

but is he a good goalkeeper coach. 

Someone like Bobby Mimms was a good goalkeeper coach. Look at his work with Paul Robinson to regain his confidence. 

But if Benson wasn't good enough why would Mowbray keep him in that role? 

Being good at your chosen specialisation is always a good start. Mowbray May keep Benson for the same reason he keeps picking Bennett at left back

[Dreams of 1995]

3 minutes ago, renrag said:

I’m not fussed about having a keeper who pulls off plenty of worldies but who also has a regular mistake lurking around. I prefer the Jim Arnold or John Filan type who, whilst not in the top bracket, are a steady safe pair of hands week after week. Of course, if you can find a Roger Jones or Brad Friedel, you’ve hit the jackpot but they cost money

The goalkeeper should only ever be spoke about for one reason and that is because he made a great save.

Every other week I want to be walking away thinking about something else other than him. If he's a regular focus of conversation then he's usually not a very good goalkeeper.

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Just because Mowbray does something doesnt mean it is right or that the person in question is competent. 

Raya made quite a few mistakes last season, no matter whether you like that he made a solitary error last weekend, he has conceded far less goals and has impressed and got many plaudits working under a new coach.

Walton has been poor this season 

Seems like we can expect another loaned goalkeeper next season. 

Raya has made mistakes this season. 

Working under a new coach? You mean the goalkeeper coach who.left Brentford for Arsenal during season. 

I think I've said Walton has been poor this season. Who hasnt that. Hes not be good enough. 

No its doesn't seems like we can another loan keeper next season. All depends on the budget he gets. Sounds like he has spoken to agents of players we looking at but people are in waiting faze

[windymiller7]

19 minutes ago, AllRoverAsia said:

Mowbray: "the goal keeping department of our football club is something that is going to change quite dramatically"

As always I wonder what he actually means, a complete revamp hopefully

I just hope that this doesn't become next season's "defenders are coming"

[Scotland1]

Rob Elliot has been freed by Newcastle. He’s a handy keeper.

[Mr. E]

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18593677.rovers-loanee-drops-hint-long-term-future-lies/

I think Walton is a bit delusional. I do actually rate him and I do believe he has been better than Reya, but there is no way he is Premiership quality. 

[BlackburnEnd75]

1 hour ago, darrenrover said:

I'm unsure what you were trying to say there but both Hilton and Fisher are well thought of and both need first team action. Luton would be an ideal debut for either.

I was assuming they dont rate the youngsters.

If they think either has a chance of making it and they have been in training then they need to be playing.

[roversfan99]

6 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Raya has made mistakes this season. 

Working under a new coach? You mean the goalkeeper coach who.left Brentford for Arsenal during season. 

I think I've said Walton has been poor this season. Who hasnt that. Hes not be good enough. 

No its doesn't seems like we can another loan keeper next season. All depends on the budget he gets. Sounds like he has spoken to agents of players we looking at but people are in waiting faze

All keepers make mistakes. Im not Rayas biggest fan although I dont get any pleasure out of it when he does now. But hes got plenty of plaudits this season and conceded far less than Walton so people are understandably looking at a superior goalkeeping coachs potential impact. Saw Raya play v PNE last week and he was very impressive.

Would you agree that the decision to sell Raya, buy Gallagher and loan Walton, all of which are connected, has been a really poor one?

Hes conceded farMowbray has mentioned 5-6 loans in his interview today. I suspect considering the financial climate that loans will top the bill.

Of course Venkys are holding us back again with their

[DarthPaul]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Working under a new coach? You mean the goalkeeper coach who.left Brentford for Arsenal during season. 

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything, but I'll bite... 

Surely if the goalkeeping coach has been poached by Arsenal then this goes some way to show how highly rated this coach is. 

And the guy who replaced him has actually played professionally as a goalkeeper. 

Neither of which seems to apply to our current gk coach. 

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, roversfan99 said:

All keepers make mistakes. Im not Rayas biggest fan although I dont get any pleasure out of it when he does now. But hes got plenty of plaudits this season and conceded far less than Walton so people are understandably looking at a superior goalkeeping coachs potential impact. Saw Raya play v PNE last week and he was very impressive.

Would you agree that the decision to sell Raya, buy Gallagher and loan Walton, all of which are connected, has been a really poor one?

Hes conceded farMowbray has mentioned 5-6 loans in his interview today. I suspect considering the financial climate that loans will top the bill.

Of course Venkys are holding us back again with their

and Raya's mistake on Saturday cost Brentford the win. He has made other mistakes aswell this season so dont keep overlooking them. I still remember his mistake against Birmingham at Ewood Park which allowed them a chance back into the game cos they werent coming back until that penalty. 

Well no they arent connected cos Walton wasn't Mowbray 1st 2 choices to replace as we know. if we got them then we wouldn't have gone Walton. I have said that Walton has been poor this season. Not played good enough all season. 

I am fully aware of what Mowbray has said since I was the one who posted the link. Yes Mowbray mention 5 or 6 loans. We need to wait and see

I didn't mention Venkys which you are obsess with instead of listening to exactly what Mowbray said about players agents wanting to wait and see due to the current climate.

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, DarthPaul said:

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything, but I'll bite... 

Surely if the goalkeeping coach has been poached by Arsenal then this goes some way to show how highly rated this coach is. 

And the guy who replaced him has actually played professionally as a goalkeeper. 

Neither of which seems to apply to our current gk coach. 

Raya mention the Brentford GK coach as one of the reasons he signed there. 

And if Mowbray didn't want Benson to stay as GK coach he would have replace him and not offered the job in the 1st place

[darrenrover]

9 minutes ago, renrag said:

In seventy odd years of watching Rovers and, unless my memory is letting me down I can only think of Paul Bradshaw and, to a lesser extent, Graham Moseley and Frank Fielding, who came through the ranks and went on to have decent careers as goalkeepers. That’s not very impressive.

Shay Given didn't do too badly!

[Mercer]

1 hour ago, Bigdoggsteel said:

Mourinho ,along with others, never played professional football. Have ye seen the guy coach? Otherwise what's this opinion based on? 

Seen him at Brockhall and seen his pre match drills.

IMO, the guy has no personality, presence, bounce or drive.  I think he is way, way out of his depth.  From observations, I think Raya had little respect for him.

[MarkBRFC]

 

Just now, darrenrover said:

Shay Given didn't do too badly!

Shay Given was signed though wasn't he? Pretty sure he came up through Celtic's youth team.

[Mercer]

1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

but is he a good goalkeeper coach. 

Someone like Bobby Mimms was a good goalkeeper coach. Look at his work with Paul Robinson to regain his confidence. 

But if Benson wasn't good enough why would Mowbray keep him in that role? 

IMO, for similar reasons that Waggott keeps Mowbray in his role!!!

Mowbray, Venus, Lowe and Benson, IMO, all need binning. 

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, Mercer said:

or similar reasons that Waggott keeps Mowbray in his role!!!

Waggott doesn't have the authority IMO to sack Mowbray as this decision would be done only at Ownership level

[DarthPaul]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Raya mention the Brentford GK coach as one of the reasons he signed there. Again, not really a vote of confidence for our set up. 

And if Mowbray didn't want Benson to stay as GK coach he would have replace him and not offered the job in the 1st place Financial? 

 

[darrenrover]

Just now, MarkBRFC said:

 

Shay Given was signed though wasn't he? Pretty sure he came up through Celtic's youth team.

50/50, I think he was 17 or so when he came to Rovers.

 

[Dreams of 1995]

Just now, Mercer said:

Seen him at Brockhall and seen his pre match drills.

IMO, the guy has no personality, presence, bounce or drive.  I think he is way, way out of his depth.  From observations, I think Raya had little respect for him.

Bloody hell. You must be an observational guy.

You have managed to determine a blokes character, determination and the respect he has from others by watching him perform some pre-match drills.

Was it the way he threw the cones down that had you deduce he had no personality?

[Mattyblue]

2 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Bloody hell. You must be an observational guy.

You have managed to determine a blokes character, determination and the respect he has from others by watching him perform some pre-match drills.

Was it the way he threw the cones down that had you deduce he had no personality?

“During my highly successful time in business, I could tell in 0.25 seconds if someone ‘has it’. If they don’t I sack them before they’ve taken their coat off”

Edited July 20, 2020 by Mattyblue

[darrenrover]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Waggott doesn't have the authority IMO to sack Mowbray as this decision would be done only at Ownership level

He probably doesn't but he should be able to put a case together for a decision to be sanctioned by the owners, including a potential list of replacements.

The issue is, Mowbray may be achieving, or even overachieving the goals stipulated by the owners, as far as we know. If that's the case, as I suspect it well may be, Mowbray's going nowhere unless he jacks.

[Mercer]

Just now, Dreams of 1995 said:

Bloody hell. You must be an observational guy.

You have managed to determine a blokes character, determination and the respect he has from others by watching him perform some pre-match drills.

Was it the way he threw the cones down that had you deduce he had no personality?

When you go to football matches anywhere, whether it be Brockhall, Ewood, Leyland etc, you look to see what's going on.

You don't need to be Einstein to see which managers / coaches fizz and which fall into the mogadon category.  Look at the drills, how innovative, how sparky, how do the players respond. 

[roversfan99]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

and Raya's mistake on Saturday cost Brentford the win. He has made other mistakes aswell this season so dont keep overlooking them. I still remember his mistake against Birmingham at Ewood Park which allowed them a chance back into the game cos they werent coming back until that penalty. 

Well no they arent connected cos Walton wasn't Mowbray 1st 2 choices to replace as we know. if we got them then we wouldn't have gone Walton. I have said that Walton has been poor this season. Not played good enough all season. 

I am fully aware of what Mowbray has said since I was the one who posted the link. Yes Mowbray mention 5 or 6 loans. We need to wait and see

I didn't mention Venkys which you are obsess with instead of listening to exactly what Mowbray said about players agents wanting to wait and see due to the current climate.

I havent overlooked Rayas mistakes. I didnt see the Stoke game but from all accounts he made a bad error. I also recall one he did v Hull in a 5-1 win and he was responsible for giving us a penalty (which possibly was unfair) but still showed he has that rashness.

My point was from the games I have seen from him, he looks better than he did. I never felt totally confident with him in goal here, I dont think he progressed much and he was very error prone especially last year. I feel that some over rate him. BUT I have seen him a few times for Brentford who are often on TV and he seems much more assured. Is getting more plaudits, is conceded far fewer goals and seemingly making less mistakes. I still think hes probably a goalkeeper who may always have that element of fear instilled in the fans of the team he plays for but he seems to have improved far more this season.

In comparison, Walton has made a number of mistakes into double figures and is a big reason why we have again conceded into the 60s, despite an upgrade at CB. He is worse than Raya and youve been quite complimentary of him until very recently, constantly echoing (with implied knowledge) that Brighton really rate him. Its no good withholding judgement because Mowbray also had other targets, you judge him on what he did do, he sold a young but flawed goalkeeper to fund a striker to play out of position, and plugged the hole that it left with a inferior loanee.

The main point I am making is that, with a highly rated goalkeeping coach that has since been poached as well as a manager who can set up a defence, it seems that Raya has really progressed as a goalkeeper more so than he did here. The errors are still there but not as common and he is conceding less and getting more praise.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, darrenrover said:

He probably doesn't but he should be able to put a case together for a decision to be sanctioned by the owners, including a potential list of replacements.

The issue is, Mowbray may be achieving, or even overachieving the goals stipulated by the owners, as far as we know. If that's the case, as I suspect it well may be, Mowbray's going nowhere unless he jacks.

Is it in Waggott's remit of his job description to judge Manager's performance? Cos I don't think he got any sort of power or remit from the owners

Yet again we don't know what the owners set the target for Mowbray this season?

[darrenrover]

Whilst folk are critical of Raya, he'll be Spain's number 1 before too long if the competition is currently in goal for United. De Gea in the £80 million bracket and on £13 million a year!

Edited July 20, 2020 by darrenrover