Season Tickets 2020-21

[Parsonblue]

I suspect the new lockdown in Bolton may will have an impact and that the Government might well be reluctant to sanction crowds gathering in the North West.  Shutting pubs and restaurants in Bolton and then allowing football with fans just ten miles or so down the road would be very questionable.  I think the situation in Bolton shows just how difficult it is for any club to plan for the forthcoming season - the situation is so fluid that restrictions can be imposed at a moment's notice and with devastating results for the community and businesses.  This coming season is not going to be normal in anyway, shape or form. 

[HowieFive0]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

Why don't they just put them on sale now and allow entry for Wycombe to the first 5000 who buy them before the 19th September.

Seems fair to me. We probably won't sell that many by then anyways so don't need to worry. Just let anyone in.

Only problem is that with the club shop closed those who don't have Internet access might struggle to renew. Doubt Rovers will be bothered about that though.

Thats the problem JH ..until things get relaxed even further ie certain areas not under local lockdowns ..daily figures plummeting further ....or certain areas  close to going in  to local lockdown again ...they just wont be able to just let anyone in.

Our supporters bus from Accy will be decimated and i think it probably wont even exist this coming season ..infact the Club it runs from hasnt even opened its doors since March.

Sorry Parson just stated something similar !

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, JHRover said:

Why don't they just put them on sale now and allow entry for Wycombe to the first 5000 who buy them before the 19th September.

Seems fair to me. We probably won't sell that many by then anyways so don't need to worry. Just let anyone in.

Only problem is that with the club shop closed those who don't have Internet access might struggle to renew. Doubt Rovers will be bothered about that though.

is the a day when you don't have a dig at the club? 

How can you sell tickets for a game that fans might never be allow into the stadium to watch? 

Plus the government hasn't authorise the game to be pilot yet or local public health authority either. You need to slow down

Edited September 8, 2020 by chaddyrovers

[roversfan99]

I will be interested to see if the following line is continued post season ticket release later in the week:

"How can you sell tickets for a game that might never happen?"

[Ewood Ace]

I'm off to my 4th football match of the season tonight. I just find it utterly ridiculous that a few thousand aren't allowed into a 31000 capacity stadium.

[JHRover]

14 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

How can you sell tickets for a game that fans might never be allow into the stadium to watch? 

You go on twitter a lot. A word of advice. Take a look at other clubs not just local and not just in the Championship. Your answer is there.

I've already answered this numerous times. I'm not going to repeat it again.

No money and no fans whilst others get on with it. And we wonder why we struggle.

Edited September 8, 2020 by JHRover

[Mattyblue]

‘Is there a day when you don’t have a dig at the club’ to a fella who lives and breathes Rovers and hasn’t missed a game home or away in years.

Supporting the club is about wanting the best for Blackburn Rovers, it doesn’t mean blowing smoke up the club’s arse on a daily basis... well doesn’t for most fans

Edited September 8, 2020 by Mattyblue

[chaddyrovers]

25 minutes ago, JHRover said:

You go on twitter a lot. A word of advice. Take a look at other clubs not just local and not just in the Championship. Your answer is there.

I've already answered this numerous times. I'm not going to repeat it again.

No money and no fans whilst others get on with it. And we wonder why we struggle.

not bothered about what other clubs are doing as I don't support them. You are getting obsess with other clubs. With tougher lockdown restrictions in Bolton, do you really think they will be able to attend a game inside a stadium? would be very surprise. Plus teams are selling season tickets without knowing until whether or when fans will be allowed in at this stage. Plus with the number of people getting infected with the coronavirus rising sharply over the weekend in certain regions in England, I can see the government being very carefully about opening up stadiums in certain areas with tougher lockdown rules in place or where there is a high infection rate. I wouldn't be surprise if the Government pushed the timetable for all fans re entering stadiums further back than October

Now on to the Wycombe game, you cannot start to sell tickets for that game as pilot until the Government and local public health authority gave their ok? Just wait and see. 

of course, I would go to the Wycombe game and buy season tickets but keeping people safe and not infect is the most important issue here and should take priority  

 

 

Edited September 8, 2020 by chaddyrovers

[Ewood Ace]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

not bothered about what other clubs are doing as I don't support them. You are getting obsess with other clubs.

You are when it suits your argument though. See exhibit A and exhibit B below.

On 03/09/2020 at 11:33, chaddyrovers said:

But many clubs are in the same boat tho as us like Middlesbrough, 

Also the window is open to 16th October. We have 1st choice keeper in. hopefully we will have a couple more in by the Bournemouth in. 

Bids are in for players from what we know from local journalists and People on here who have good contacts within the club

 

On 05/09/2020 at 18:17, chaddyrovers said:

A number of managers are struggling to get the players they want like us with defenders, Preston, Derby, Sheffield Wednesday and Birmingham with strikers, Middlesbrough with different positions. 

[chaddyrovers]

4 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

You are when it suits your argument though. See exhibit A and exhibit B below.

isn't the season ticket thread? 

talking season tickets not transfers tho. Thats the problems when you start mixing different threads comments. 

also the coronavirus is stopping fans from returning to the stadiums. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 8, 2020 by chaddyrovers

[Ewood Ace]

8 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

also the coronavirus is stopping fans from returning to the stadiums. 

It's not Covid that is stopping you returning to stadiums, it is the government. As I said earlier, I'm off to my 4th football match of the season tonight. It is utterly ridiculous that at least a few thousand aren't allowed into a 31000 capacity stadium.

Edited September 8, 2020 by Ewood Ace

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

It's not Covid that is stopping you returning to stadiums, it is the government. As I said earlier, I'm off to my 4th football match of the season tonight. It is utterly ridiculous that at least few thousand aren't allowed into a 31000 capacity stadium.

 

well its is the Coronavirus and the infection rate thats is stopping us returning us re entering football stadiums. 

The government is right to be cautions on this. 

well I hope you enjoy your night wherever you going. 

but we all know who caused all this pandemic and it ain't the UK government or people

Edited September 8, 2020 by chaddyrovers

[Mattyblue]

15 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

isn't the season ticket thread? 

talking season tickets not transfers tho. Thats the problems when you start mixing different threads comments. 

So why is it ok for you to talk about other club’s transfer policies, but not ok for JH to talk about other club’s ticketing policies?

Edited September 8, 2020 by Mattyblue

[Ewood Ace]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

well its is the Coronavirus and the infection rate thats is stopping us returning us re entering football stadiums. 

The government is right to be cautions on this. 

Yet pubs across the country are open with people crammed into them. It's much safer be stood outside in the fresh air watching a game of football than sat inside a cramped pub.

[Parsonblue]

1 minute ago, Ewood Ace said:

Yet pubs across the country are open with people crammed into them. It's much safer be stood outside in the fresh air watching a game of football than sat inside a cramped pub.

I suspect that will come into the thinking with regard to reopening grounds.  Fans will naturally go into pubs before the game for a drink and then into the ground and that may well delay opening League grounds in this area.  I'm still struggling with the fact that I'm not able meet a friend in the garden, socially distanced, but it seems perfectly OK to go into a packed pub according to the government.

[matt83]

24 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

It's not Covid that is stopping you returning to stadiums, it is the government. As I said earlier, I'm off to my 4th football match of the season tonight. It is utterly ridiculous that at least a few thousand aren't allowed into a 31000 capacity stadium.

I’ve been to 3 games. Think they capped them all at 400 fans. Frankly could have let more in. Not that there’d be many more wanting to go. Could easily start with a bare minimum of 6k at ewood as a trail then ratchet things up 

[Ben Frost]

7 hours ago, JHRover said:

Why don't they just put them on sale now and allow entry for Wycombe to the first 5000 who buy them before the 19th September.

Seems fair to me. We probably won't sell that many by then anyways so don't need to worry. Just let anyone in.

Only problem is that with the club shop closed those who don't have Internet access might struggle to renew. Doubt Rovers will be bothered about that though.

Because putting anything on sale for the Wycombe match before there is government approval for the pilot would be even more stupid than selling Season Tickets.

You do realise that when grounds in the Football League and Premier League DO get permission to allow fans back in, the Track and Trace protocols will make going to the post-Covid pub or restaurant look like a picnic, don't you? 

"Just let anyone in" just isn't an option. I'm astonished you have even typed those words in that order. 

5 hours ago, JHRover said:

No money and no fans whilst others get on with it. And we wonder why we struggle.

I've repeatedly said that Rovers have taken the sensible and correct approach by delaying Season Ticket sales, in order to protect fans from buying a product that can't be delivered. Your favourites, the Lutons etc, will now be wasting admin resources on refunding money or issuing streaming codes because they have taken cash from their fans on false pretences.

[Ben Frost]

4 hours ago, matt83 said:

I’ve been to 3 games. Think they capped them all at 400 fans. Frankly could have let more in. Not that there’d be many more wanting to go. Could easily start with a bare minimum of 6k at ewood as a trail then ratchet things up 

Congratulations. In the meantime somewhere near Sunderland, 300 fans are having to self isolate because they went to one similar game. Pay your money, take your chance. 

[JHRover]

Just now, Ben Frost said:

Because putting anything on sale for the Wycombe match before there is government approval for the pilot would be even more stupid than selling Season Tickets.

You do realise that when grounds in the Football League and Premier League DO get permission to allow fans back in, the Track and Trace protocols will make going to the post-Covid pub or restaurant look like a picnic, don't you? 

"Just let anyone in" just isn't an option. I'm astonished you have even typed those words in that order. 

I've repeatedly said that Rovers have taken the sensible and correct approach by delaying Season Ticket sales, in order to protect fans from buying a product that can't be delivered. Your favourites, the Lutons etc, will now be wasting admin resources on refunding money or issuing streaming codes because they have taken cash from their fans on false pretences.

I'm not talking about specifically selling tickets for the Wycombe fixture on its own. I am talking about getting season tickets on sale asap before Wycombe so we can sell as many as possible with the incentive to buy being the first 5000 to do so will know they are going to get entry for the 'pilot' fixture. Those who delay won't be guaranteed admission.

'Just let anyone in' was in reference to the fact that we are unlikely to be in a position to need to exclude anyone. The way we are going we will do well to shift more than 5000 season tickets. Especially in little over a week. My point was that given likely sales figures at this late stage in the day we are not going to be in a position where we need to turn thousands away or run some elaborate ballot system to select the lucky ones. Pretty much everyone who wants a ticket will be able to get in even at only 15-20% of capacity. 

How many do you think we would shift before the Wycombe game given they aren't even on sale yet. I reckon 5000 max. No away fans or single match tickets - there should be ample room for all those people at Ewood.

You think Rovers have been sensible, I don't. They aren't interested in 'protecting fans' as they are already lining up another price increase. You do realise that we are in a very small minority here? Do you really think the Venky installed operation with Waggott here is ahead of the game and competition on this or just behind as usual?

[Parsonblue]

1 minute ago, Ben Frost said:

Because putting anything on sale for the Wycombe match before there is government approval for the pilot would be even more stupid than selling Season Tickets.

You do realise that when grounds in the Football League and Premier League DO get permission to allow fans back in, the Track and Trace protocols will make going to the post-Covid pub or restaurant look like a picnic, don't you? 

"Just let anyone in" just isn't an option. I'm astonished you have even typed those words in that order. 

I've repeatedly said that Rovers have taken the sensible and correct approach by delaying Season Ticket sales, in order to protect fans from buying a product that can't be delivered. Your favourites, the Lutons etc, will now be wasting admin resources on refunding money or issuing streaming codes because they have taken cash from their fans on false pretences.

The new restrictions coming in on Monday have surely put paid to fans in grounds for the immediate future.  The club are in a no win situation really - damned if they do and damned if they don't.  As you say, if tickets had been sold before government approval the club would be facing the same reaction they got in March with regard to refunds.

The situation is so fluid in terms of local lockdowns - and now a national lockdown in terms of socialising - it's difficult to see when and how fans will be allowed back in any numbers.  A few hundred in a ground is one thing but several thousands is another something which wouldn't make any sense at the moment.

[Ben Frost]

7 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I'm not talking about specifically selling tickets for the Wycombe fixture on its own. I am talking about getting season tickets on sale asap before Wycombe so we can sell as many as possible with the incentive to buy being the first 5000 to do so will know they are going to get entry for the 'pilot' fixture. Those who delay won't be guaranteed admission.

'Just let anyone in' was in reference to the fact that we are unlikely to be in a position to need to exclude anyone. The way we are going we will do well to shift more than 5000 season tickets. Especially in little over a week. My point was that given likely sales figures at this late stage in the day we are not going to be in a position where we need to turn thousands away or run some elaborate ballot system to select the lucky ones. Pretty much everyone who wants a ticket will be able to get in even at only 15-20% of capacity. 

How many do you think we would shift before the Wycombe game given they aren't even on sale yet. I reckon 5000 max. No away fans or single match tickets - there should be ample room for all those people at Ewood.

You think Rovers have been sensible, I don't. They aren't interested in 'protecting fans' as they are already lining up another price increase. You do realise that we are in a very small minority here? Do you really think the Venky installed operation with Waggott here is ahead of the game and competition on this or just behind as usual?

I don't understand why you want the club to rush into selling STs before Wycombe when they can't tell us what we are buying. 

Look at it from a different angle. You are relatively young in the Rovers ST demographic. We have a significant percentage of less young ST holders, and many who would be classed as vulnerable in these strange times. 

They don't care when they are able to buy a ST. They just want to hear evidence that if they go to Ewood they will be safe so that buying a ST is even an option.

Who cares if not selling a product that can't be delivered means we're in a "small minority"? Even if that's true, why does it matter?

And the earlier argument (as in a few weeks ago) that ST money was needed to buy players was clearly wrong. Half a million quid appeared for the keeper and just short of a million for Kipre (bid accepted by Wigan).

Ready cash does not seem to be an issue, so why sell Season Tickets when the product is unavailable? 

[RevidgeBlue]

38 minutes ago, Ben Frost said:

I don't understand why you want the club to rush into selling STs before Wycombe when they can't tell us what we are buying. 

Because, if the Club were upfront about it  and put ST's on sale on the clear understanding that if they were unable to deliver full attendance due to Government restrictions there would be no refunds, I and many others might have bought one regardless to help out at a difficult time in the form of a quasi donation. We would also have had the advantage of knowing that by by acting now, if numbers were severely restricted, we'd be more likely to get in when allowed.

Those that would prefer to know exactly what they were getting before purchasing should also have that option at any point but on the understanding that it's first come first served and all availability might be gone by that time. I really can't see the issue.

[Stuart]

5 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Because, if the Club were upfront about it  and put ST's on sale on the clear understanding that if they were unable to deliver full attendance due to Government restrictions there would be no refunds, I and many others might have bought one regardless to help out at a difficult time in the form of a quasi donation. We would also have had the advantage of knowing that by by acting now, if numbers were severely restricted, we'd be more likely to get in when allowed.

Those that would prefer to know exactly what they were getting before purchasing should also have that option at any point but on the understanding that it's first come first served and all availability might be gone by that time. I really can't see the issue.

People seem to keep ignoring this Rev.

Plus the fact that nobody got a refund last season and there has been no mention of ST holders getting any kind of discount as was mooted at the time (to avoid refund requests).

We have a VERY forgiving fanbase. Just look at all of the crap we have put up with. They should have been on sale with a big caveat, and with seat numbers suspended for this season or made it renewals only. There will be people who want to buy to secure their seat and some of these people don’t want to lose their seat but are fearful of attending. Not allowing sales to anyone reduces this risk.

There are lots of ways we could have managed this but there just isn’t any imagination.

[Paul]

8 hours ago, Ben Frost said:

I don't understand why you want the club to rush into selling STs before Wycombe when they can't tell us what we are buying. 

Look at it from a different angle. You are relatively young in the Rovers ST demographic. We have a significant percentage of less young ST holders, and many who would be classed as vulnerable in these strange times. 

They don't care when they are able to buy a ST. They just want to hear evidence that if they go to Ewood they will be safe so that buying a ST is even an option.

Who cares if not selling a product that can't be delivered means we're in a "small minority"? Even if that's true, why does it matter?

And the earlier argument (as in a few weeks ago) that ST money was needed to buy players was clearly wrong. Half a million quid appeared for the keeper and just short of a million for Kipre (bid accepted by Wigan).

Ready cash does not seem to be an issue, so why sell Season Tickets when the product is unavailable? 

I feel the first half of your argument sums up the situation very well. I'm an extremely fit 66 year old, my son is a vulnerable young person who lives in a household with three other vulnerable people looked after by carers. To date to the huge credit of the carers the house has remained Covid-19 free. The organisation which provides my son's care will need to complete a Risk Assessment before he will be able to attend matches regardless of my views on safety. My wife is vulnerable.

 I want/need the club to announce the protocols which will be put in place. Without this information the necessary Risk Assessment cannot begin. Based on previous RAs the organisation has carried out provided government guidelines are adhered to the RA will be successful. Providing the information allows me to make an informed decision on whether or not it is worth taking the risk on purchase. I will take this risk if the protocols the club put in place appear acceptable and likely to pass the RA. I would make the purchase the day STs go on sale.

The Stoke offer seems praiseworthy though I struggled a bit with the red/white lists idea. I read the review of PL club policies which in the main I find disgraceful and unfair. These boil down to those who pay the most get in. The rest go in to a ballot. Both situations are utterly unfair. A ballot is unacceptable unless it is pre-season and "winners" are allowed a maximum of, for example, one-third of all games - assuming the club is allowed to use one-third of capacity.

Away fans have to be forbidden to maximise capacity for home supporters and eliminate the inherent risk of fans sharing transport.

To my mind the single biggest issue will be enforcing protocols within a crowd. Who/how will those ignoring protocols be dealt with? It's extremely unlikely stewards would successfully control anyone who failed to follow guidance. Imagine the chaos of attempting to eject fans breaking the protocols.

What is clear to me is there is absolutely no possibility of fans returning in numbers in mid-October. Four weeks away and there is nothing in place. It will not happen. Do we really want to go in to a crowd of 10000 when no planning of any sort has yet been announced by the authorities? There have been enough failures in policy, we don't need another especially one which is so easily avoided by simply not permitting crowds.

In May I spoke to someone in the football "industry" about this subject. The reply was it will be at least 9 months meaning we are looking at March 2021. I still believe this true.

The coming winter is of huge concern. The government is not going to allow meetings of 10-20000 individuals until we have passed this potential second wave.

The one thing I do want to see ASAP is iFollow details so I can purchase this for my lad. I won't be watching unless I can find away to get it on my TV as my laptop screen is too small.

Edited September 9, 2020 by Paul

[1864roverite]

It’s all bollocks to me! Covid surges will no doubt put a spanner in the proposals to have fans in the ground v Wycombe