Doncaster Rovers (H) CARABAO CUP RND1 - Sat 29th Aug

[Ossydave]

2 hours ago, matt83 said:

I was talking to my pne mate about him. Apparently don’t have an academy set up like we do. So when players outgrow the youth set up so to speak they can’t just keep players hanging around. Plus they run a tighter ship in terms of wage bill. So with their youth players unless they are pretty much nailed on for first team football they just release them regardless of potential. On yesterday it does beg the question why was he release but hopefully our gain.

Winning goal at deepdale...

They don't even have a reserve team anymore, very odd setup for a championship team, and perhaps the reason they end up playing crap when injuries kick in.

[tomphil]

Said 2 seasons ago the only reason i reckon Preston fell away was because of their lack of depth it seems the only thing missing. 

However they run a tight ship and stick to it they don't say one thing then completely pour millions down the drain on a whim doing the other. Having a proper structure and an owner in proximity is what sets them apart from here though probably.

Edited August 30, 2020 by tomphil

[matt83]

31 minutes ago, Ossydave said:

They don't even have a reserve team anymore, very odd setup for a championship team, and perhaps the reason they end up playing crap when injuries kick in.

I’m not sure how it used to work but not sure had a training ground to call their own either. They’ve recently bought a training ground in euxton off Wigan. Who previously bought it off Bolton. So I’ve been saying you’ve bought a cursed training ground. 
 

As part of the banter they focus on the fact the once mighty Blackburn Rovers are now hovering up pne’s castoffs like a dirty beggar looking for crumbs. Fair enough. But I’d love it if Dolan becomes a player 

Edited August 30, 2020 by matt83

[duckson]

They will own 2 training grounds once the Wigan purchase goes through. 

[matt83]

1 minute ago, duckson said:

They will own 2 training grounds once the Wigan purchase goes through. 

Think one of them becoming a housing development. ?‍♂️

[Stuart]

4 hours ago, Paul Mani said:

Please see managers take on Smallwood and Mulgrew as a reference. Bennett has had his day at Rovers now. He’s a utility man who plays when there’s injuries. He isn’t first choice and is out of contract in the summer when he will likely be moved on or offered a year on reduced terms.

As I said, I’m not losing any sleep.

Who is this season’s captain? Has it been given to Lenihan?

[duckson]

4 minutes ago, matt83 said:

Think one of them becoming a housing development. ?‍♂️

It isn’t, or that’s not the plan I heard the other day at least. 

[jim mk2]

Just seen the highlights - some powder puff defending from Lenihan and dreadful mistake I think by Bell. The goalkeeper could have done better too. Glaring deficencies from last season still not addressed and we won't make "progress" until they are

[Waggy76]

25 minutes ago, matt83 said:

I’m not sure how it used to work but not sure had a training ground to call their own either. They’ve recently bought a training ground in euxton off Wigan. Who previously bought it off Bolton. So I’ve been saying you’ve bought a cursed training ground. 
 

As part of the banter they focus on the fact the once mighty Blackburn Rovers are now hovering up pne’s castoffs like a dirty beggar looking for crumbs. Fair enough. But I’d love it if Dolan becomes a player 

Preston have a superior mamager , end of !!

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

29 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Just seen the highlights - some powder puff defending from Lenihan and dreadful mistake I think by Bell. The goalkeeper could have done better too. Glaring deficencies from last season still not addressed and we won't make "progress" until they are

I'm not impressed with Lenihan, reaching out like that is really dumb defending. You're giving your opponent a chance to make a meal of it and the officials a decision to make,

As for Bell ? Even schoolboys know not to clear the ball into a danger area. He had time to let the ball come across his body and then clear the ball left footed down field. He's brain dead.

[Guest]

Joe Rankin-Costello put in yet another good display. Scored his first senior goal and not a hint of a celebration, grab the ball - back to half way - proper professional who cares about the team. He’s going to be an absolute star for us. 

Ryan Nyambe has been at right back for four, five seasons, sometimes on and off, sometimes permanently. He’s played 115 games for Rovers and never registered a goal contribution. 

It’s a huge shame for Joe that Ryan is so good defensively these days, because I think JRC gets into our team at right-back without him there. 

The conundrum then becomes, where do you play Rankin-Costello? Tough one, I think he’s twice the left-back that Amari’i Bell is, but Mowbray doesn’t see it that way. We’ll end up wasting a great talent and losing JRC if we don’t find a permanent way of getting him into the team full time.

[jim mk2]

41 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

I'm not impressed with Lenihan, reaching out like that is really dumb defending. You're giving your opponent a chance to make a meal of it and the officials a decision to make,

As for Bell ? Even schoolboys know not to clear the ball into a danger area. He had time to let the ball come across his body and then clear the ball left footed down field. He's brain dead.

 At times Lenihan looks what he is  - a converted midfield player. As a centre back he was fine in League One but he gets caught out too often in the Championship, either for pace, positioning or basic errors like against Doncaster. Hes not the tallest either . Ideally, I'd like to see 2 new centre backs 

Anyone know what the situation is with Tosin? 

[JacknOry]

16 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Joe Rankin-Costello put in yet another good display. Scored his first senior goal and not a hint of a celebration, grab the ball - back to half way - proper professional who cares about the team. He’s going to be an absolute star for us. 

Ryan Nyambe has been at right back for four, five seasons, sometimes on and off, sometimes permanently. He’s played 115 games for Rovers and never registered a goal contribution. 

It’s a huge shame for Joe that Ryan is so good defensively these days, because I think JRC gets into our team at right-back without him there. 

The conundrum then becomes, where do you play Rankin-Costello? Tough one, I think he’s twice the left-back that Amari’i Bell is, but Mowbray doesn’t see it that way. We’ll end up wasting a great talent and losing JRC if we don’t find a permanent way of getting him into the team full time.

There's no rush. He has got himself into the first team squad and in contention for starts. All he has to do is take his chances much like he has been doing when he gets them. A spot will open up for him if he continues to impress. I really do not see him as a full back though although he has shown he can fill in there. Defensively he is not great even if I agree he is better than Bell. I think he is best suited further up on the left.

 

[SBlue]

30 minutes ago, JoeH said:

Joe Rankin-Costello put in yet another good display. Scored his first senior goal and not a hint of a celebration, grab the ball - back to half way - proper professional who cares about the team. He’s going to be an absolute star for us. 

Ryan Nyambe has been at right back for four, five seasons, sometimes on and off, sometimes permanently. He’s played 115 games for Rovers and never registered a goal contribution. 

It’s a huge shame for Joe that Ryan is so good defensively these days, because I think JRC gets into our team at right-back without him there. 

The conundrum then becomes, where do you play Rankin-Costello? Tough one, I think he’s twice the left-back that Amari’i Bell is, but Mowbray doesn’t see it that way. We’ll end up wasting a great talent and losing JRC if we don’t find a permanent way of getting him into the team full time.

The biggest compliment I can give JRC is that you could play him pretty much anywhere and you’d get at least a 7 or 8 out of 10 performance.

 

Hopefully it’s not his downfall as a young player though, you could argue that he needs to specialise and get a solid preferred position.

 

What did he play for the u23s?

[jim mk2]

7 minutes ago, OnePhilT said:

I think Darragh only played 14 games for us in League One. Difficult to judge him, I think, when he's injured on and off like that.

As for Tosin, forget him. He's not signing for any Championship club this season.

 In that case, we need 2 new centre backs - good ones. 

[Richard Oakley]

6 minutes ago, S8 & Blue said:

What did he play for the u23s?

RB and then wide right of the 4 when the U23s switched to 3-4 at the back.

[SBlue]

5 minutes ago, Richard Oakley said:

RB and then wide right of the 4 when the U23s switched to 3-4 at the back.

Wing backs will definitely be needed if we play a poundshop Pirlo/Tugay in Holtby with Travis + Johnson in front...

Bloody love our academy me.

[CrouchingNunhiddenCucumber]

Thought it was a pretty standard 'Rovers under Mowbray' type game. Good in patches appalling in others. Losses of concentration and disinterest with glimpses of what players could be with a better coach - Brereton especially. As a team we mimic Mowbray and sadly he's too long in the tooth to change. We'll finish between 10th-14th I suspect, probably where we deserve to be given Rovers in 2020, shame on you Venkys. 

[Rogerb]

Prize money for this victory was £5k. With the lack of any gate receipts in present circumstances you have to ask is it cost effective!

[Rogerb]

35 minutes ago, OnePhilT said:

Both clubs will have also received money for the match passes, too (£7 per match pass is what a club supposedly receives), and there'll obviously be revenue generated for the next round that Doncaster won't get.

I'd like to see us make a go of the Carabao Cup this season, because we seem to have a lot of players in the squad who'd benefit from that game time. The revenue might only be minor, overall - and I know you're angling at whether or not there's a profit - but it's better than a kick in the bollocks, particularly if you can progress to the later rounds and really take a profit from it. Sounds like we could do with every bit of financial gain that we can get!

I suppose £5k plus match pass is better than nothing but I do wonder just how many match passes were sold particularly in view of people's experience in accessing as shown on here earlier in the thread. Wouldn't expect it to be more than a couple of hundred for this

[roversfan99]

3 hours ago, JoeH said:

Joe Rankin-Costello put in yet another good display. Scored his first senior goal and not a hint of a celebration, grab the ball - back to half way - proper professional who cares about the team. He’s going to be an absolute star for us. 

Ryan Nyambe has been at right back for four, five seasons, sometimes on and off, sometimes permanently. He’s played 115 games for Rovers and never registered a goal contribution. 

It’s a huge shame for Joe that Ryan is so good defensively these days, because I think JRC gets into our team at right-back without him there. 

The conundrum then becomes, where do you play Rankin-Costello? Tough one, I think he’s twice the left-back that Amari’i Bell is, but Mowbray doesn’t see it that way. We’ll end up wasting a great talent and losing JRC if we don’t find a permanent way of getting him into the team full time.

Good to see him score but you can tell that he is not a full back because he was caught out of position and beaten numerous times. I was amazed that he was given the man of the match award because I felt that he was, albeit certainly not half as much as the clown on the other side, somewhat of a liability defensively against a poor side. I dont think he was great going forward either really.

Put him at left back and he is even less at home as he is on his wrong foot.

Nyambe got an assist v Swansea but I would agree that he is very limited going forward but the most important thing is that he can defend. I think Rankin Costello should play where Chapman played.

[roversfan99]

7 minutes ago, OnePhilT said:

I'm not convinced of that. I've seen Nyambe make his fair share of individual and clumsy errors at the back. I think he's decent, but I think he gets overrated because he isn't Elliott Bennett (which I think is a bit sad).

Thats unfair although to be honest, if Bennett starts at full back, theres a 50% chance that he will concede a penalty and ive never seen a full back who dives in so much.

I would agree that Nyambe isnt a brilliant defender but he is our only competent full back and one who really progressed last season. Rankin Costello doesnt have Bennetts rashness but shares his positional misjudgements when playing that role.

[chaddyrovers]

17 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Nyambe got an assist v Swansea

as a centre back that game. He played centre back with Adarabioyo with Bennett and Bell as full back. So no assists from his game time at right back

[bazza]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

as a centre back that game. He played centre back with Adarabioyo with Bennett and Bell as full back. So no assists from his game time at right back

Good heavens, Chaddy. That's a bit picky isn't it? Or is the word pedantic?

[chaddyrovers]

7 minutes ago, bazza said:

Good heavens, Chaddy. That's a bit picky isn't it? Or is the word pedantic?

no it is being picky at all or pedantic cos it the fact! He isn't good enough in the attacking side of his game. doesn't assist enough or get into the box like Rankin Costello did yesterday. He gets forward but his final pass or cross isn't good enough and don't end up with us scoring goals. 

I am impress with his defensive mostly but his attacking game hasn't come on at all. 

I think Nyambe will end up being a centre back IMO

Edited August 30, 2020 by chaddyrovers