Let's Talk Tyrhys Dolan

[Eddie]

4 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

He’s a decent Championship player, like he has been for years. A load of clubs at this level will be more than happy to take a free transfer.

He won’t be a free transfer.

There will be compensation. 

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, Eddie said:

He won’t be a free transfer.

There will be compensation. 

It will only be relatively nominal won't it?

300k sort of level?

[KentExile]

24 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

It will only be relatively nominal won't it?

300k sort of level?

based on his age, and how many games he has played, I would be amazed if it is under £1M

Obviously assuming he stays in this country and that Rovers have offered him a contract on more than his current one

I think this is the rules as of last year (April 2024),but its based on the following

 

• The status of each Club 

• The age of the player 

• The amount of any transfer fee paid by the former Club on acquisition of the player and the length of time the former Club has held the player’s registration 

• The terms of the new contract offered to the player by each Club 

• The training and development of the player at the former Club (specialist coaching, education, welfare) 

• The player’s playing record and achievements 

• Substantiated interest shown in the player by other Clubs 

• Other costs incurred by the former Club directly or indirectly attributable to the training and development of the player, including any relevant medical or rehabilitation costs 

• Attempts made to reach an agreement concerning the amount of compensation due (evidence of any written correspondence as well as details of any phone calls or meetings between the two clubs will be required) 

[Mattyblue]

Ok, sorry:

 

‘He’s a decent Championship player, like he has been for years. A load of clubs at this level will be more than happy to take a free transfer him for 800k‘

[Eddie]

1 hour ago, Mattyblue said:

Ok, sorry:

 

 

‘He’s a decent Championship player, like he has been for years. A load of clubs at this level will be more than happy to take a free transfer him for 800k‘

Let’s say we get 1-1.5m.

Is he worth much more than that? Would we be happy signing the Dolan equivalent for 2.5m? Doubt it. 

[chaddyrovers]

Need to get a new contract sorted for Dolan. 

[roversfan99]

We dont do new contracts here.

[Mattyblue]

Doesn’t matter if he’s ‘worth’ 1.5m+, he’ll actually go for 500k-800k which is more than a decent deal for a Championship club.

[Eddie]

30 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Doesn’t matter if he’s ‘worth’ 1.5m+, he’ll actually go for 500k-800k which is more than a decent deal for a Championship club.

I think it will be quite a bit more than that. 

[Mattyblue]

Ok, a million, 1.2million, whatever. There will be plenty of suitors, why? Because he’s an established Championship player and they’ll see it as a more than reasonable price.

[Upside Down]

6 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Ok, a million, 1.2million, whatever. There will be plenty of suitors, why? Because he’s an established Championship player and they’ll see it as a more than reasonable price.

The real question is how much would it cost to replace him like for like.

Most likely 2-3 million plus a decent wage.

[Eddie]

37 minutes ago, Upside Down said:

The real question is how much would it cost to replace him like for like.

Most likely 2-3 million plus a decent wage.

Would it?

Far too early to judge, but I'd say we will get more out of Kargbo than we get out of Dolan.

Dolan basically averages 5 goals and 5 assists per season whenever he gets 30+ appearances. I think we can get that for under 2 million and without breaking the bank on the wage front.

He is a very average Championship player, but he does a few things right that make it look like he could be more than that. 

[M_B]

5 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Would it?

Far too early to judge, but I'd say we will get more out of Kargbo than we get out of Dolan.

Dolan basically averages 5 goals and 5 assists per season whenever he gets 30+ appearances. I think we can get that for under 2 million and without breaking the bank on the wage front.

He is a very average Championship player, but he does a few things right that make it look like he could be more than that.

 Would we get more out of Kargbo without Dolan, or like yesterday with him?

[Eddie]

Just now, M_B said:

 Would we get more out of Kargbo without Dolan, or like yesterday with him?

As I said, it's too early and Kargbo could end up being absolute rubbish, but we do have quite a large sample size with Dolan and have seen enough to know that he is far from reliable and, even at his very best, is hardly a devastating asset. 

Decent player, should be a squad player for a Championship side in the top half.

[Admiral Nelsen]

53 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Would it?

Far too early to judge, but I'd say we will get more out of Kargbo than we get out of Dolan.

Dolan basically averages 5 goals and 5 assists per season whenever he gets 30+ appearances. I think we can get that for under 2 million and without breaking the bank on the wage front.

He is a very average Championship player, but he does a few things right that make it look like he could be more than that. 

 

I think like most Championship attackers, Dolan isn't good enough to excel if you don't play to his strengths. When he has a bit of space to play with he's very handy at this level. Without it he can be totally anonymous. Yesterday was a perfect case in point - he struggled in the first half, then looked top drawer once we scored and they started leaving a bit more space.

 

I'm really hoping that Kargbo's pace alongside Gueye's form could be a catalyst to bring more from the rest of our attack. Dolan's an obvious one who would benefit from the extra space, but Cantwell hasn't really had anyone running in behind to aim for until now. We've seen that Ohashi has a quality finish on him but can be easy to defend against if all you're doing is hitting it long towards him. We've been lacking a decent blend for as long as I can remember, but all of a sudden it seems like we've got a nice mixture of pace, power, finishing and hold up play. A lot of that is relying on Kargbo kicking on from his promising cameos though. 

[M_B]

37 minutes ago, Eddie said:

As I said, it's too early and Kargbo could end up being absolute rubbish, but we do have quite a large sample size with Dolan and have seen enough to know that he is far from reliable and, even at his very best, is hardly a devastating asset. 

Decent player, should be a squad player for a Championship side in the top half.

I've been watching back yesterday's game, Dolan was our best forward,didn't realise at the time but the lay off for Forshaw's goal was quality, his finish was really good and his work rate is second to none.

To not sign him up and let him go for next to nothing would be a dereliction of duty.

[M_B]

2 minutes ago, Admiral Nelsen said:

 

I think like most Championship attackers, Dolan isn't good enough to excel if you don't play to his strengths. When he has a bit of space to play with he's very handy at this level. Without it he can be totally anonymous. Yesterday was a perfect case in point - he struggled in the first half, then looked top drawer once we scored and they started leaving a bit more space.

 

I'm really hoping that Kargbo's pace alongside Gueye's form could be a catalyst to bring more from the rest of our attack. Dolan's an obvious one who would benefit from the extra space, but Cantwell hasn't really had anyone running in behind to aim for until now. We've seen that Ohashi has a quality finish on him but can be easy to defend against if all you're doing is hitting it long towards him. We've been lacking a decent blend for as long as I can remember, but all of a sudden it seems like we've got a nice mixture of pace, power, finishing and hold up play. A lot of that is relying on Kargbo kicking on from his promising cameos though. 

He assisted the  first goal.

[Admiral Nelsen]

4 minutes ago, M_B said:

He assisted the  first goal.

 

He did. Nice lay off, but until then he was struggling to impose himself like he often has done when he is denied space. Lots of effort on show as always. 

Second half was a totally different story. When he can isolate defenders Dolan looks really dangerous, just as he can do when he's playing with another forward with feet as quick as his, like Kargbo seems to have. To be clear, I'd be delighted if he were to sign an extension, as unlikely as it seems now. 

[bluebruce]

8 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Need to get a new contract sorted for Dolan. 

The most unfairly maligned player at the club. By some distance.

[Neal]

34 minutes ago, bluebruce said:

The most unfairly maligned player at the club. By some distance.

Which is partly why he will leave. He'll no doubt feel under appreciated and will get higher wages elsewhere. We can forget about him staying here. 

[JamieUK]

Gallagher MK II for me. Both show a lot of promise but often don't deliver.

I expect he'll leave to a similar level of club as Gallagher went to and we'll bring in a replacement for a similar amount with more end product.

I'd keep him - he's a decent squad player but think we can do better.

To get compensation don't we need to offer a contract on equal terms to what he's on? Wouldn't surprise me if they cock that up..

[harryhealless1928]

No one covers the hard yards(certainly as a forward rather than midfielder)better than Dolan.

Ridiculous if we let him go for almost zero pence.

He could even improve and given the large number of old stalwarts in the squad(some of whom have been good aka Baath) we need at least the odd player with re-sale value.

I like him and so do the youngsters who I know that attend(they probably like his hair-style)??

[ben_the_beast]

With the amount of games Dolan has played for us, I think people forget just how young he is. 

If he was playing like he currently is having only made the first team within the past year, people would be more optimistic about his potential. 

He does have a ceiling. His lack of pace dictates much of that. But the consistency he is criticised for not having is rare for a player of his age. Given time, I think it'll come. Unfortunately it probably won't be with us.

[Eddie]

16 minutes ago, ben_the_beast said:

He does have a ceiling. His lack of pace dictates much of that. But the consistency he is criticised for not having is rare for a player of his age. Given time, I think it'll come. Unfortunately it probably won't be with us.

He's also not THAT young. 

He'll turn 24 next season and he's already played a lot, as you point out. There's not much improvement to be expected.

It reminds me a bit of the clip of Mourinho discussing Rashford. Dolan already has so much experience that you can't expect further experience to really improve him unless he is to play at a higher level/standard.

There's no reason to think that another 100 Championship matches will radically see what we get out of him now. Over the 30ish matches we get from him a season we will get 10 good, 10 bad, 10 average and we will see an end product of 10 goals/assists.

That's fine, but his limitations are serious enough that he should be viewed as a squad player. 

[RevidgeBlue]

We need to be getting Dolan signed up and binning off Hedges.

Unfortunately the opposite will probably occur.