Let's Talk Tyrhys Dolan

[Leonard Venkhater]

1 hour ago, Plastics said:

I only know if the Keith Andrews stuff but that was grim. The "well that's what it's like it could be worse" normalisation is pathetic tbh. Nobody wants to take any responsibility for creating a negative atmosphere even though people pretend it's about supporting the team despite the ownership. "That's just the way it is" is regressive

I think a scapegoating culture can just develop out of frustrated, powerless anger, which bystanders don't challenge enough...

And it's not just Rovers.....

[simongarnerisgod]

33 minutes ago, Plastics said:

I'm not saying they haven't changed, I'm saying there's still a way to go and that downplaying that normalises things and provides an excuse for it. I'm late thirties so evidently missed the pre-prem days

what exactly do you want from a football crowd??

polite applause,the ripple of  positive energy cascading down the stands when you are 2-0 down at half time,apprectiative claps of glowing reverance

football for most people is 90 mins to get away from whatever troubles you have and unwind with a good shout,a few pints and a chance to voice your opinion on players,like others have said,the matchdays now are  a universe away from what it was,anyone under 35 would have to seek therapy if they had the 80`s/early 90`s match day experience😁

[47er]

I do believe Dolan has been singled out for criticism for reasons I don't know. Ewood traditionally loves a committed, whole

hearted trier even if he isn't the crown jewels and I can go back farther than Ally McCleod!

Dolan is better than many fans believe he is.

[bluebruce]

3 minutes ago, 47er said:

I do believe Dolan has been singled out for criticism for reasons I don't know. Ewood traditionally loves a committed, whole

hearted trier even if he isn't the crown jewels and I can go back farther than Ally McCleod!

Dolan is better than many fans believe he is.

I think Ewood also has a problem with flair that sometimes doesn't come off. Bit of an old school attitude of not liking 'fancy dans'.

I'm not saying we don't like flair here, we do, but if the flair doesn't result in highly consistent outputs like Tugay etc they don't take to it. I think Rochina was an example of another player that got a rougher time than he deserved for similar reasons. It's noticeable that Hedges only comes in for similar levels of criticism, if not kinder, when he is objectively a fair bit worse in his output and always has been. Him running the ball out of possession with no flair seems to get less criticism than if Dolan loses it using flair.

Hopefully Ty can up his output and shut them all up. He looks confident again lately.

[47er]

1 hour ago, bluebruce said:

Hopefully Ty can up his output and shut them all up.

and sign a new contract!

[Eddie]

2 hours ago, bluebruce said:

I think Ewood also has a problem with flair that sometimes doesn't come off. Bit of an old school attitude of not liking 'fancy dans'.

I'm not saying we don't like flair here, we do, but if the flair doesn't result in highly consistent outputs like Tugay etc they don't take to it. I think Rochina was an example of another player that got a rougher time than he deserved for similar reasons. It's noticeable that Hedges only comes in for similar levels of criticism, if not kinder, when he is objectively a fair bit worse in his output and always has been. Him running the ball out of possession with no flair seems to get less criticism than if Dolan loses it using flair.

Hopefully Ty can up his output and shut them all up. He looks confident again lately.

Are we sure that Dolan has that much flair? 

I think that's part of the issue. He sometimes thinks he does, but he doesn't really. In the same way that he looks like he's quick, but he's not.

His decision-making is an issue, but not because of flair, more because of selfishness and a tendency to run down blind alleys. He does the occasional stepover and the flips after goals are good, but I don't think there's a lot of flair within his actual game. That isn't meant as a criticism, but he probably does need to realise that he's not quite the trickster he may have imagined himself as when he was 17/18.

He's a lot closer to Alan Mahon than he is to Damien Duff or Keith Gillespie. He's a workmanlike winger. 

Edited February 19 by Eddie

[Upside Down]

1 hour ago, 47er said:

and sign a new contract!

They'd need to offer him one first .

[Ghost7]

2 hours ago, 47er said:

I do believe Dolan has been singled out for criticism for reasons I don't know. Ewood traditionally loves a committed, whole

hearted trier even if he isn't the crown jewels and I can go back farther than Ally McCleod!

Dolan is better than many fans believe he is.

I like to think I know a good footballer when I see one and I'm confident despite recent form that Dolan shouldn't be starting in the top half of the Championship. In fact, if he doesn't sign a new deal here I don't think we'll see much more of him at this level, certainly not as regularly as we're doing. Happy to be proven wrong but don't think I will be.

He doesn't progress the ball enough for the amount of touches he takes, generally doesn't strike the ball well (yes I saw his finish at the weekend), has a poor natural crossing ability and no left foot when passing or shooting. He also has poor awareness (yes I saw his assist at the weekend) but in most games he repeatedly misses opportunities to switch play. He isn't quick enough either. Thankfully he's willing to run his socks off and pressing is his best attribute, he's also not injury prone.

If I were him I'd jump at any 4 year deal at this level, particularly with us if the wage is reasonable. I suspect he's receiving some bad advice and his career will suffer. There will be people in his ear telling him he should be a top earner..... he shouldn't.

[bluebruce]

1 hour ago, Eddie said:

Are we sure that Dolan has that much flair? 

 

Yes. Thanks for asking.

[Mattyblue]

People still saying he won’t get another gig at this level - he will, no question.

[47er]

He's a regularly good performer in a better than average Championship team. I think that's his level and that's where we'll see him in the future.

[philipl]

Dolan is also different from your run of the mill Championship pro. Always willing to try something different.

Haters hate him for losing the ball when doing his tricks.

Football commentators love him for relieving the tedium of their job.

[Eddie]

3 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

People still saying he won’t get another gig at this level - he will, no question.

Who's saying that?

[Mattyblue]

Hi Eddie 👋

Ghost two posts above mine (and throughout the thread).

Edited February 19 by Mattyblue

[Ghost7]

2 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Hi Eddie 👋

Ghost two posts above mine (and throughout the thread).

 

I mean minutes. He'll sign for another Championship club and find himself unused first. He's featured for us too often due to a lack of investment in those areas. I've seen enough of him over 4 seasons to know he plays badly more often than he plays well, and there is a risk he drops down a division in 3 or 4 years time.

I'll be interested to see how his career goes and I suspect through a combination of overhype, bad advice, greed of people around him and not enough ability... it will be downwards.

He'd be better off focusing on the length of a contract here rather than the amount, then improve his game but yes... he deserves a pay rise and will be asking for too much from the club that sees him every day.

He and people around him have pushed the "Championship Baller" agenda too much, without doing enough in games, as a top earning winger should. The Sky cameras will get him a better contract elsewhere but I don't think that will help his career.

We're actually the makers of our own downfall here as usual, if you don't invest in better quality the ones that aren't quite good enough feature more and more, then get carried away with their demands.

If he goes I will miss his running and enthusiasm on the pitch but that's about it.

[Mattyblue]

He’s 23 with 200 games under his belt, for a side that’s spent the majority of it far closer to the top 6 than the bottom one. He’s a Championship player (now if he falls down the leagues due to making wrong career moves/greedy agents that’s a different issue and he won’t be the last on that score).

[roverblue]

My biggest criticism with Dolan is that he continually makes the same mistakes each week and it's so frustrating he hasn't learned after 4-5 full seasons playing with us.

He does all the hard work getting into great positions and beating his man but then ruins it by not releasing the ball. It's such a simple thing to fix and he just can't seem to learn to do it.

Other than that I love his attitude and work rate and really want to see him do well - seems a great club ambassador as well.

[bluebruce]

On 18/02/2025 at 19:42, Plastics said:

It will all be relative and not feel that way to the person on the receiving end. Young players jeered by their own fans has an impact.

No Rovers player gets jeered by their own fans. There are groans and moans when someone fucks up sometimes, and there is criticism online, but what isn't happening is jeering.

[Blueandwhitemike]

 

I like Dolan, he seems like a really nice lad and gives 100%.  He has some skill and has some good games but he's not kicked on as much as I'd hoped yet and his lack of pace hurts him as well as inconsistency.  I would really like him to sign a new contract but he's not one of our best players and doesn't deserve to be paid as one.  If he's willing to accept being In the middle then great, he deserves that at least.  We don't really have any idea what he's asking for or what he has been offered though,

[ben_the_beast]

If an entire team is one paced it hurts everyone. Dolan, like the rest has struggled with us not having players who can stretch games which is also compounded by the fact people tend to look to him to provide it due to the position he often plays. 

I think his true position could be as a number 10. He can turn on a sixpence and has a good touch. He's very difficult to get the ball off, it's just he struggles in one v one situations. 

If I cast my eye over to Qpr, there have been managers who have played Ilias Chair out wide and his productivity has dropped off a cliff. Get him central and he's one of the best attacking midfielders in the division. Dolan isn't at his level, but I don't think it's a stretch to say he could get there or even surpass. 

[rigger]

6 minutes ago, ben_the_beast said:

If an entire team is one paced it hurts everyone. Dolan, like the rest has struggled with us not having players who can stretch games which is also compounded by the fact people tend to look to him to provide it due to the position he often plays. 

I think his true position could be as a number 10. He can turn on a sixpence and has a good touch. He's very difficult to get the ball off, it's just he struggles in one v one situations. 

If I cast my eye over to Qpr, there have been managers who have played Ilias Chair out wide and his productivity has dropped off a cliff. Get him central and he's one of the best attacking midfielders in the division. Dolan isn't at his level, but I don't think it's a stretch to say he could get there or even surpass. 

Dolans best point is his ability to change directions quickly, ( a low center of gravity must help ). So through the middle will probably be his best position. Will we ever play him there ?

[KentExile]

1 minute ago, rigger said:

Dolans best point is his ability to change directions quickly, ( a low center of gravity must help ). So through the middle will probably be his best position. Will we ever play him there ?

He did, at the start of this season