Let's Talk Tyrhys Dolan

[BankEnd Rover]

Excuse me for being dumb, what's in it for a player to sign for a club on a free? Presume a signing on fee, what are we talking roughly? 
 

My point is that you'd think Dolan, as a thank you, to the club would sign a contract and leave anyway in summer, so we can generate a fee.

Edited December 28, 2024 by BankEnd Rover

[Forever Blue]

10 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

He’s a decent Championship player. Works his arse off, always looking to get involved and makes thing happen. Is he also inconsistent? Make the wrong decisions? Yes, it’s why this is his level.

I think it’s a bit more nuanced than that. There are levels within levels. He isn’t at the level of some other Championship attackers. Then again we can’t afford those players. 
 

Personally I think he could easily disappear into League 1 …..when he’s bad he can be really bad (like most away games) 

[Forever Blue]

4 minutes ago, BankEnd Rover said:

Excuse me for being dumb, what's in it for a player to sign for a club on a free? Presume a signing on fee, what are we talking roughly? 
 

My point is that you'd think Dolan, as a thank you, to the club would sign a contract and leave anyway in summer, so we can generate a fee.

He doesn’t owe the club anything.

if he leaves on a free there’s no fee for the buying club so he can ask for more. If he signs a contract the buying club in the summer then has to pay a fee, money that could otherwise have been spent giving him a bigger wage.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Forever Blue

[Mattyblue]

Doesn’t seem nuanced to me, hundreds of pros at this level and he’s a standard one. Can be crap, can be very good, like most of them.

I’d be absolutely amazed if he doesn’t get a three year gig or whatever for a Championship club. That’s him a long way from League 1… Buckley on the other hand.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Mattyblue

[BankEnd Rover]

5 minutes ago, Forever Blue said:

He doesn’t owe the club anything.

if he leaves on a free there’s no fee for the buying club so he can ask for more. If he signs a contract the buying club in the summer then has to pay a fee, money that could otherwise have been spent giving him a bigger wage.

Didn't nobbers release him, branding him not good enough...We've more or less raised him to where he is now.

You can then look at it from his side, if we aren't offering a pay increase, he's probably seen his arse.

[Forever Blue]

1 minute ago, Mattyblue said:

Doesn’t seem nuanced to me. I’d be absolutely amazed if he doesn’t get a three year gig or whatever for a Championship club. That’s him a long way from League 1… Buckley on the other hand.

I was talking more from an ability standpoint. I’m sure he will get a Champ contract, just as Hedges has and will. I think they’re both top end L1/bottom end Championship attackers. 
 

Dolan’s next contract may be his last in the Championship. He may pick a club that doesn’t utilise him properly and he disappears into L1. 

Patrick Robert’s, to give a topical example,  is a level above both.

 

[Forever Blue]

3 minutes ago, BankEnd Rover said:

Didn't nobbers release him, branding him not good enough...We've more or less raised him to where he is now.

You can then look at it from his side, if we aren't offering a pay increase, he's probably seen his arse.

I think he probably had a big input into where he is now. We have him a chance and he took it. He owes us nowt. 
 

We are offering a pay rise, just clearly not as big as he wants. 

[Mattyblue]

Of course always levels, there is in every division. But for me his graft and ability to make things happen will keep him solidly in this division and he’ll make a decent living. Which is some achievement from being released from PNE after being on loan at Clitheroe.

[cesus]

Has Dolan ever actually signed a new contract here? He must be on pretty grim money if he is still on the same contract and tiered rises he signed for when he was let go by PNE.

[M_B]

Dolan is, for some reason,held to much higher standards than anyone else. He even has his very own 38 page thread.

In that respect, he doesn't do too badly.

[Forever Blue]

14 minutes ago, M_B said:

Dolan is, for some reason,held to much higher standards than anyone else. He even has his very own 38 page thread.

In that respect, he doesn't do too badly.

I think he just divides opinion because his performances are quite erratic. 

[MarkBRFC]

1 hour ago, cesus said:

Has Dolan ever actually signed a new contract here? He must be on pretty grim money if he is still on the same contract and tiered rises he signed for when he was let go by PNE.

Yeah, he joined in July 2020. and signed a new deal in February 2021.

[riverholmes]

1 hour ago, cesus said:

Has Dolan ever actually signed a new contract here? He must be on pretty grim money if he is still on the same contract and tiered rises he signed for when he was let go by PNE.

Yes, he signed in 2020 and then signed a new three and half-year contract in 2021, that took him to last summer. He's now in the 12 month extension period.

Edit: It's always difficult to know when to sell players - even more so when the club recruitment is so poor. However, I do think he should've been sold (assuming there'll be bidders). He's not an integral player and is, in theory, replaceable.

Edited December 28, 2024 by riverholmes

[chaddyrovers]

36 minutes ago, riverholmes said:

Yes, he signed in 2020 and then signed a new three and half-year contract in 2021, that took him to last summer. He's now in the 12 month extension period.

Edit: It's always difficult to know when to sell players - even more so when the club recruitment is so poor. However, I do think he should've been sold (assuming there'll be bidders). He's not an integral player and is, in theory, replaceable.

Eustace wants him to stay and I would say he is deffo integral player to Eustace. 

[Mattyblue]

Of course he’s an integral player, he’s largely been a first choice attacking player for years.

[MarkBRFC]

43 minutes ago, riverholmes said:

He's not an integral player and is, in theory, replaceable.

Of course he is.

I think he has started all but 5 games since Eustace has been in charge, and one of those he was suspended.

Like has been said, he will end up somewhere similar to here next year but on a bit more money, because we are unwilling to pay the going rate.

[Dreams of 1995]

For me it is time for Dolan to go. He’s given a good period of service in a Rovers shirt but if he wants the going rate for a starting top end Championship winger then we can go and get better quality

He doesn’t do enough for me. I also think that he occupies some good spaces under Eustace but is then at fault for attacks breaking down far too often with either under hit passes or a baggy touch

Dolan could be the the little girl with the little curl for when he is good he is very very good but when he is bad…he is horrid 

[RevidgeBlue]

I actually rate him as one of our better players. He'll be on a relative pittance currently and as with all our better players in recent times we won't be offering him enough to entice him to re-sign.

If he does leave as seems likely you can bet your bottom dollar the replacement won't be as good.

But at least "Hedgy" will no doubt re-sign and do the square root of naff all for a further two years so happy days.

Edited December 28, 2024 by RevidgeBlue

[cesus]

2 hours ago, MarkBRFC said:

Yeah, he joined in July 2020. and signed a new deal in February 2021.

I would guess he wouldn't be on great wages if he hasn't signed another contract beyond being here for 8 months. He has highly likely achieved all his wage rise triggers for appearances etc but you have to think he would only be a mid earner at the club.

It is a bizarre situation really with all his Champ experience he hasn't wanted to earn more here or push for a move by categorically confirming he wants out, which would benefit both parties.

 

[Hasta]

Dolan is replaceable if you spend an average budget on proven championship players. The problem is we won’t. Therefore when he leaves I suspect it will be a  noticeable loss to our squad. I also suspect he will spend most of his time ending up at a similar club to us with similar performance levels in the Championship - only better paid.

[RevidgeBlue]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Eustace wants him to stay and I would say he is deffo integral player to Eustace. 

So does that mean you think he'll still be here next season then chaddy?

[Dreams of 1995]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I actually rate him as one of our better players. He'll be on a relative pittance currently and as with all our better players in recent times we won't be offering him enough to entice him to re-sign.

If he does leave as seems likely you can bet your bottom dollar the replacement won't be as good.

But at least "Hedgy" will no doubt re-sign and do the square root of naff all for a further two years so happy days.

I am flabbergasted Rev

You give Tronstad pelters for going invisible but Dolan drifts out of games for far longer spells and is way more inconsistent. I know they’re in different positions, but why give Dolan the credit but no Tronstad? 

[chaddyrovers]

10 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

So does that mean you think he'll still be here next season then chaddy?

I hope so. All depends whether he can agreed terms

[RevidgeBlue]

7 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

I am flabbergasted Rev

You give Tronstad pelters for going invisible but Dolan drifts out of games for far longer spells and is way more inconsistent. I know they’re in different positions, but why give Dolan the credit but no Tronstad? 

Neither are absolutely top drawer obviously or they wouldn't be playing here at the moment. 

The Tronstad we saw against Sunderland reflects my general view of him - him and Travis have looked a very good pairing this season but it's no coincidence we struggled last season and against Sunderland without Travis imo.

Dolan blows a bit hot and cold but overall he works incredibly hard and I think he's quite decent. More goals and goal involvements than Cantwell who everyone seems to think is great.

Why is there never any outside interest in Tronstad if he's as good as everyone thinks?

[RevidgeBlue]

20 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I hope so. All depends whether he can agreed terms

I wouldn't hold your breath chaddy.