Let's Talk Tyrhys Dolan

[philipl]

Whatever, he is very steadily improving in each game from what I am seeing of him.

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

I wouldn't hold your breath chaddy.

Neither would I. Dolan's contract should have been sorted 2 years ago. Not leaving. We should have offered him a new improve contract during JDT's first season here. 

[Dreams of 1995]

1 hour ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Neither are absolutely top drawer obviously or they wouldn't be playing here at the moment. 

The Tronstad we saw against Sunderland reflects my general view of him - him and Travis have looked a very good pairing this season but it's no coincidence we struggled last season and against Sunderland without Travis imo.

Dolan blows a bit hot and cold but overall he works incredibly hard and I think he's quite decent. More goals and goal involvements than Cantwell who everyone seems to think is great.

Why is there never any outside interest in Tronstad if he's as good as everyone thinks?

The last part is a bit unfair. He only signed last year, so any interest would only really start to be shown either in Jan or the summer as his contract is starting to run down

I think Tronstad works incredibly hard too. He breaks up play better than any central midfielder we have had in our Championship days. Without him we would be worse off for sure. Whereas we could replace Dolan with a number of players in our squad and not feel the hit

They play in different positions but for me Tronstad is twice the player that Dolan is and ever will be. I also think you could switch your Trav argument around - that Tronstad is next to him allows Travis’ game to improve. Tbh, I am just enjoying having a functional midfield pairing for the first time in recent memory 

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

The last part is a bit unfair. He only signed last year, so any interest would only really start to be shown either in Jan or the summer as his contract is starting to run down

I think Tronstad works incredibly hard too. He breaks up play better than any central midfielder we have had in our Championship days. Without him we would be worse off for sure. Whereas we could replace Dolan with a number of players in our squad and not feel the hit

They play in different positions but for me Tronstad is twice the player that Dolan is and ever will be. I also think you could switch your Trav argument around - that Tronstad is next to him allows Travis’ game to improve. Tbh, I am just enjoying having a functional midfield pairing for the first time in recent memory 

Well argued post. I'm not sure what everyone's obsession with my opinion on Tronstad is tbh. I've always acknowledged that whilst I don't really rate him everyone else does.

Who could we replace Dolan with out of the existing squad and "not feel the hit"?

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Well argued post. I'm not sure what everyone's obsession with my opinion on Tronstad is tbh. I've always acknowledged that whilst I don't really rate him everyone else does.

Who could we replace Dolan with out of the existing squad and "not feel the hit"?

Tronstad has been a very good player for us and shown exactly why we signed him based over a full 1 and half season not just one game

[RevidgeBlue]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Tronstad has been a very good player for us and shown exactly why we signed him based over a full 1 and half season not just one game

Do you think he was good last season when we nearly went down?

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

Do you think he was good last season when we nearly went down?

Yes

[Exiled_Rover]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Do you think he was good last season when we nearly went down?

Yes.

[Dreams of 1995]

5 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Well argued post. I'm not sure what everyone's obsession with my opinion on Tronstad is tbh. I've always acknowledged that whilst I don't really rate him everyone else does.

Who could we replace Dolan with out of the existing squad and "not feel the hit"?

Yeah, football is a game of opinions. That none of us work in the sport tells us where our opinion sits in the grand scheme of things

Eustace has made Tronstad a better player because his system protects the team. It doesn’t allow for players to be left exposed. Certain players have looked far better under him than they did JDT - think Hyam, Tronstad, Pickering, Pears 

I think our best front four would consist of: Hedges, Cantwell and Beck with either Gueye or Ohashi up top

I also think you could swap Dolan with Leonard, Weimann, Cozier Duberry or JRC and we’d be the same 

This leaves Pickering as left back - who really I don’t rate that much - but as above does look better under Eustace

Like you, I have a controversial opinion. I don’t think Hedges is as bad as people say he is. He’s a gifted footballer but injuries have held him back

 

[RevidgeBlue]

12 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Like you, I have a controversial opinion. I don’t think Hedges is as bad as people say he is. He’s a gifted footballer but injuries have held him back

 

Again a very well argued post but I really can't go with you on that last bit, I'd argue Hedges has never done anything of note in his entire career and it was fairly predictable he'd come here and carry on in exactly the same vein.

[Wheelton Blue]

39 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Do you think he was good last season when we nearly went down?

Interesting question.

If you're suggesting that Tronstad couldn't have been good last season, purely because we flirted with relegation, then....

Do you think Szmodics was good last season when we nearly went down?

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

Interesting question.

If you're suggesting that Tronstad couldn't have been good last season, purely because we flirted with relegation, then....

Do you think Szmodics was good last season when we nearly went down?

Errr.......yes because he scored 27 goals and singlehandedly kept us up.

I wouldn't say anyone else apart from Wharton came out of last season with any credit whatsoever personally.

[Wheelton Blue]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Errr.......yes because he scored 27 goals and singlehandedly kept us up.

I wouldn't say anyone else apart from Wharton came out of last season with any credit whatsoever personally.

I'm obviously struggling to understand your original question ... 'Do you think he was good last season when we nearly went down?'

It comes across that you're implying that Tronstad couldn't have had a good season, for the sole reason that we nearly went down.

Hence my question back, which could have been about any other player. I used Szmodics as an extreme example.

[roversfan99]

54 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Yeah, football is a game of opinions. That none of us work in the sport tells us where our opinion sits in the grand scheme of things

Eustace has made Tronstad a better player because his system protects the team. It doesn’t allow for players to be left exposed. Certain players have looked far better under him than they did JDT - think Hyam, Tronstad, Pickering, Pears 

I think our best front four would consist of: Hedges, Cantwell and Beck with either Gueye or Ohashi up top

I also think you could swap Dolan with Leonard, Weimann, Cozier Duberry or JRC and we’d be the same 

This leaves Pickering as left back - who really I don’t rate that much - but as above does look better under Eustace

Like you, I have a controversial opinion. I don’t think Hedges is as bad as people say he is. He’s a gifted footballer but injuries have held him back

 

That front 4 perhaps shows how well Eustace is doing to have us where we are. Id personally have ACD in there for a bit of spark instead of Hedges. You have one wide man who doesnt do anything in attack and a left back either side of potentialy a striker with a solitary goal.

What does or even before injuries did Hedges offer in attack?

[rigger]

18 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

Why is he playing in the fourth division, rigger?

Because he has been loaned to a fourth division club.

[RevidgeBlue]

15 minutes ago, Wheelton Blue said:

I'm obviously struggling to understand your original question ... 'Do you think he was good last season when we nearly went down?'

It comes across that you're implying that Tronstad couldn't have had a good season, for the sole reason that we nearly went down.

Hence my question back, which could have been about any other player. I used Szmodics as an extreme example.

It was more due to the fact that pre Eustace we were conceding around 3 goals per game with a player in the side who I kept reading was exceptionally good at sniffing out danger.

I know it wasn't all his fault and also that a substantial proportion of those goals were due to Wahlstedt throwing the ball in the net.

Nevertheless I didn't think anyone emerged with any credit last season apart from AW and SS.

Let's see how we go on for the period Travis is missing.

[rigger]

2 hours ago, philipl said:

Whatever, he is very steadily improving in each game from what I am seeing of him.

Very soon then, he may be at the required standard for a full game.

[Mattyblue]

8 minutes ago, rigger said:

Because he has been loaned to a fourth division club.

Indeed. Weird place to send a Championship ready player though ay?

[Dreams of 1995]

34 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

That front 4 perhaps shows how well Eustace is doing to have us where we are. Id personally have ACD in there for a bit of spark instead of Hedges. You have one wide man who doesnt do anything in attack and a left back either side of potentialy a striker with a solitary goal.

What does or even before injuries did Hedges offer in attack?

I like Hedges. Always have done. I think he is a tidy player and has a great left foot. When you watch him, he makes runs that drags players out and opens space up. He has scored some good goals for us in his time here. On top of that, he’s versatile and has shown he can player either wing and even fill in at full/wing back. And the full back must like playing in front of him because he will get back and help out. He will also make himself available to take that pass out wide, making it easier to play your way out 

His injuries hampered his time here. He played most in JDTs season and we finished 7th. This season, where he has been injury free, we look as though we could beat that finish. For me, that is saying something

Edited December 28, 2024 by Dreams of 1995

[rigger]

2 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Indeed. Weird place to send a Championship ready player though ay?

Can you point out where I have said Markanday is championship ready player ?

[Mattyblue]

You said he was the ready made replacement for Dolan. Apologies if I misinterpreted that as you meaning Markanday is Championship ready.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Mattyblue

[chaddyrovers]

1 hour ago, roversfan99 said:

That front 4 perhaps shows how well Eustace is doing to have us where we are. Id personally have ACD in there for a bit of spark instead of Hedges. You have one wide man who doesnt do anything in attack and a left back either side of potentialy a striker with a solitary goal.

What does or even before injuries did Hedges offer in attack?

you have watch enough of Hedges to not keep asking those questions. You have been very clear that you don't rate Hedges and wouldn't offer him a new contract

[roversfan99]

44 minutes ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

I like Hedges. Always have done. I think he is a tidy player and has a great left foot. When you watch him, he makes runs that drags players out and opens space up. He has scored some good goals for us in his time here. On top of that, he’s versatile and has shown he can player either wing and even fill in at full/wing back. And the full back must like playing in front of him because he will get back and help out. He will also make himself available to take that pass out wide, making it easier to play your way out 

His injuries hampered his time here. He played most in JDTs season and we finished 7th. This season, where he has been injury free, we look as though we could beat that finish. For me, that is saying something

He is tidy enough and he does undoubtedly work hard. I wouldnt disagree with either of those things but I would want a lot more than that. Lacks pace, doesnt beat players, doesnt score, isnt creative.

You mention his goals and obviously one stands out but they are so infrequent that they are an exception to the rule. Mokoena scored a couple of great goals but that wouldnt be mentioned if you was to say what he is good at.

You also mention his versatility but I just dont think he is good enough to warrant a regular place in his actual position but we always have a small squad so he likely will find game time somewhere.

Edited December 28, 2024 by roversfan99

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, rigger said:

Because he has been loaned to a fourth division club.

I had to chuckle at that one. Ask a stupid question......

Bravo Sir.

No offence Matty.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

3 hours ago, Dreams of 1995 said:

Yeah, football is a game of opinions. That none of us work in the sport tells us where our opinion sits in the grand scheme of things

Eustace has made Tronstad a better player because his system protects the team. It doesn’t allow for players to be left exposed. Certain players have looked far better under him than they did JDT - think Hyam, Tronstad, Pickering, Pears 

I think our best front four would consist of: Hedges, Cantwell and Beck with either Gueye or Ohashi up top

I also think you could swap Dolan with Leonard, Weimann, Cozier Duberry or JRC and we’d be the same 

This leaves Pickering as left back - who really I don’t rate that much - but as above does look better under Eustace

Like you, I have a controversial opinion. I don’t think Hedges is as bad as people say he is. He’s a gifted footballer but injuries have held him back

 

Before Tronstad arrived I was usually pulling my hair out at the number of free shots opponents had from in and around the “ D” . Quite a few ended up in the back of our net. That doesn’t seem to happen anything like as often now. Of course in could all be a coincidence but I think it’s down the player patrolling that area.