Let's Talk Tyrhys Dolan

[KentExile]

28 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Cut costs? 

The reported wage bill has roughly been the same over the years 

Fixed it for you

However if the wage bill is correct with no shenanigans at all in play.  Then the wage bill is about the same despite numerous cuts to the playing staff and confirmation that both Waggott and Suhail (& quite possibly others at board level)  have had pay increases 

Edited yesterday at 09:46 by KentExile

[chaddyrovers]

58 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

It won't be going forward when the likes of Travis, Hyam, Brittain & Tronstad don't sign new deals and are replaced with cheaper equivalents. 

Yes you probably said the same thing when Nyambe and Lenihan left yet we bought in Hyam and Brittain. 

 

42 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Fixed it for you

However if the wage bill is correct with no shenanigans at all in play.  Then the wage bill is about the same despite numerous cuts to the playing staff and confirmation that both Waggott and Suhail (& quite possibly others at board level)  have had pay increases 

The wage bill is part of the club accounts and signed off by accountants outside of the club. They would have access to more important and knowledge then we do. 

[KentExile]

43 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

The wage bill is part of the club accounts and signed off by accountants outside of the club. They would have access to more important and knowledge then we do. 

Like who is being paid the money that was previously being allocated to the playing squad?

However I think most of us know the answer to that already 😉 

Edited yesterday at 11:17 by KentExile

[TugaysMarlboro]

3 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Cut costs? 

The wage bill has roughly been the same over the years 

Doesn't that worry you Chaddy? 

If your wage was the same now as it was back in 2019, would you be happy with that?

Looking at it wider, if we have the same wage bill now as 2019 then that indicates one of 2 things to me:

1. We've replaced senior players from the 2019 era with players who will be happy to take very similar terms to what the previous players were on. Which considering a 6 year difference likely means the new players are of inferior quality.

2. Senior players have had wage rises, but we've reduced the overall number of "senior players" and increased the number of academy players in the first team, who are naturally on less money and thus the cost balances out when taking the whole squad into consideration.

Either way, if they're cutting costs or keeping costs the same, we will only go backwards.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:20 by TugaysMarlboro
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[roversfan99]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Cut costs? 

The wage bill has roughly been the same over the years 

Just to clarify, you dont think there has been an attempt to cut costs in recent years?

[47er]

13 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

The wage bill has roughly been the same over the years 

Then that's a cut in  real terms! 

Remember that one Chaddy?!!

[47er]

3 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

We also have a number of other key players who have said that they havent been offered a new deal so it sums it up. Players willing to sit down who are critical to the team yet absolutely nothing forthcoming.

The Plan is that they leave and are replaced by frees and Academy players ( ready or not).

All about reducing the wage bill. No ambition, nothing to look forward to, Wrexham will hammer us.

[USABlue]

Dolan been playing better last few games, shop window thing?  Dud anyone pick up that he was giving the fans goodbye waves?  I wasn't quite sure but I think we've seen the last of him at Ewood (barring unlikely playoffs) in a Rovers shirt.  I think he will go to Derby with his Papa.

[Mercer]

2 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

 

The wage bill is part of the club accounts and signed off by accountants outside of the club. They would have access to more important and knowledge then we do. 

As an accountant, I can tell you I have played many a tune with the accounts when working in industry/commerce and it is not too difficult to tie external auditors up in knots!

As I have said before, I would love to be let loose on a spot of due diligence on Rovers!

 

Edited yesterday at 12:43 by Mercer

[roversfan99]

As a free agent aside from some nominal compensation, many assume he will just go to Derby and that may be the case but you would think a better side would fancy him even if its not to play every game?

He has certainly improved more this season than IMO any other in his development and I think has benefitted from the simplicity of playing from the right.

[KentExile]

17 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

As a free agent aside from some nominal compensation, many assume he will just go to Derby and that may be the case but you would think a better side would fancy him even if its not to play every game?

He has certainly improved more this season than IMO any other in his development and I think has benefitted from the simplicity of playing from the right.

 

Derby seems fanciful to me.  They are not flush with cash and Dolan didn't sign at Rovers when Eustace was here....  Who is to say that Eustace will even be at Derby in a years time? it would be an insane decision by Dolan to move there. 

I imagine the most likely destination for him is a Championship club who will throw money at him and offer ambition (Birmingham maybe?), although I could see a world where a Sunderland/Sheff Utd/Leeds (no matter which division they end up in next season) or one of the clubs relegated for the Prem take a punt on him

Edited yesterday at 13:01 by KentExile

[booth]

54 minutes ago, USABlue said:

Dolan been playing better last few games, shop window thing?  Dud anyone pick up that he was giving the fans goodbye waves?  I wasn't quite sure but I think we've seen the last of him at Ewood (barring unlikely playoffs) in a Rovers shirt.  I think he will go to Derby with his Papa.

Ismael is getting more out of him than Eustace (and the rest). He's not as frustrating to watch.

It could just be a coincidence but it's the same with Cantwell too.

[DuffsLeftPeg]

4 hours ago, chaddyrovers said:

Yes you probably said the same thing when Nyambe and Lenihan left yet we bought in Hyam and Brittain. 

That was before the owners current financial “issues” reared their head and the “project changed” - according to JDT anyway!

So I don’t expect Dolan to be replaced with someone of similar quality, commitment or the better consistency & output he has shown this season. 

If we’re looking at cutting costs surely that should be with getting rid of Buckley & JRC rather than letting one of our best performers leave for free. Offer the lad £15k, he deserves it!

 

[Tomphil2]

6 hours ago, Mercer said:

Never really been a Dolan fan, however, in recent games he's been in the form of his life.

If what has been posted above is correct (on £4k pw and now offered £8k) it's both a feckin disgrace and nonsensical.  Let's put that into context - it's roughly an extra £200k per annum and we are presently shelling out circa £400k over 5 months for Dennis!  Just how much do Rovers think a half decent replacement will cost!?!?

It's the economics and management of a mad house.  Ewood sadly remains an ambitionless and nous free zone. 

I think the assumption was he's already on 8k and been offered the same which would sum this lot up perfectly.

Looks like they have a different ceiling for academy grads that they won't go beyond but will happily throw money at short term signings and loans.

 

[Exiled_Rover]

2 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

As a free agent aside from some nominal compensation, many assume he will just go to Derby and that may be the case but you would think a better side would fancy him even if its not to play every game?

He has certainly improved more this season than IMO any other in his development and I think has benefitted from the simplicity of playing from the right.

Considering Eustace is one of the better managers in this division, why wouldn't he go to Derby?

They'll finish above us next year. 

[JHRover]

I still don't think people realise how bad things are at Rovers and fail to recognise that a move to just about any other club in this league would be a major step up in terms of getting a solid competitive contract as opposed to whatever derisory terms the stooges have concocted whilst having one eye on their own interests and cost cutting.

[Tomphil2]

Yep i doubt they could offer Ty a standard 10k a week plus bonuses contract over 3 or 4 years and a signing on/loyalty bonus due to not knowing wtf will happen beyond the next year or so's guaranteed income.

[KentExile]

30 minutes ago, Tomphil2 said:

Yep i doubt they could offer Ty a standard 10k a week plus bonuses contract over 3 or 4 years and a signing on/loyalty bonus due to not knowing wtf will happen beyond the next year or so's guaranteed income.

Yep, there is a reason why there are zero senior players signed up beyond the summer of 2027 (granted that some do have options for the club to extend for a further year)

Edited yesterday at 16:50 by KentExile

[roversfan99]

1 hour ago, Exiled_Rover said:

Considering Eustace is one of the better managers in this division, why wouldn't he go to Derby?

They'll finish above us next year. 

He certainly is, but I was thinking whether its in this league or abroad, for at most nominal compensation, he could surely do better than Derby. They have such a poor squad.

[Tomphil2]

17 minutes ago, KentExile said:

Yep, there is a reason why there are zero senior players signed up beyond the summer of 2027 (granted that some do have options for the club to extend for a further year)

The shit will simply have to hit the fan at some point unless someone turns into a 20 mill player or they resume serious funding.

I see a firesale starting next summer.

[rigger]

3 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

He certainly is, but I was thinking whether its in this league or abroad, for at most nominal compensation, he could surely do better than Derby. They have such a poor squad.

Although of late Dolan has improved, to me he is just a squad player at best. He just isn't consistent enough.

[jim mk2]

Dolan's upturn in form has coincided very neatly with his contract talks this summer - or is that a cynical view?

He's no doubt played well the last few games but dearie me, he's had some real stinkers this season, including a few that I've seen, and I'm sure if you look back on the thread over the course of the season there would have been plenty of fans calling for him to be sold.

Have to say I'm ambivalent whether he stays or not but on the basis that he might finally be emerging into a half decent Championship player and is unlikely to be replaced were he to leave, then you have to hope he and the club can come to an agreement. 

 

[SIMON GARNERS 194]

He's one of our better Players and he could leave for free?

It's happening again folks..the running of this club is beyond belief.

[roversfan99]

56 minutes ago, rigger said:

Although of late Dolan has improved, to me he is just a squad player at best. He just isn't consistent enough.

Dont you think Markanday is better?

[rigger]

1 minute ago, roversfan99 said:

Dont you think Markanday is better?

Than Dolan yes, but neither are good enough as regular starters for the Rovers. The saying of, beggars can't be choosers, is very apt.