Luton Town v Rovers Sat 21st Nov. 3pm

[Mattyblue]

Bit disingenuous, just because he wasn’t deemed ‘injured’, does mean managers thought he was fit to play/can play twice a week. He does well to get over 30 starts a season and it’s often been way below that...

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/daniel-ayala/leistungsdaten/spieler/78966/plus/0?saison=2012

With Williams and Lenihan also being injury prone it’s no surprise Wharton has not been sent on loan.

Edited November 20, 2020 by Mattyblue

[tomphil]

They do all this research beforehand they tell us enough, how many deals have fallen through because of it ?  A few i'll bet.

Yet when it comes to ex boro players......

In all honesty old pals acts aside Rovers have long had a policy under venkys of chucking risky contracts to older or injury prone players. I think TM in his stint think he can cover them so collects a few extras especially in midfield as we all know Holtby, Evans, Johnson are never going to play back to back games for any period of time even if we only had 1 per week.

Given that it's odd we didn't get another centre half of some sort through the door but nothing new we've been here before. It's a risky policy to operate though and i feel is another thing that holds us back a bit. Getting decent players here these days has proved difficult though so it's something we have to live with if you want a bit of quality and experience in the squad.

 We still should've signed Bauer though he would have proved decent vfm by now for sure, no world beater but no worse than anything we've got. 

 

 

[chaddyrovers]

              Kaminski

JRC Lenihan Wharton Douglas

   Rothwell  Holtby  Johnson

    Elliott   Armstrong   Brereton

[joey_big_nose]

  On 20/11/2020 at 08:46, chaddyrovers said:

              Kaminski

JRC Lenihan Wharton Douglas

   Rothwell  Holtby  Johnson

    Elliott   Armstrong   Brereton

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Mowbray has said Holtbys out.

[chaddyrovers]

  On 20/11/2020 at 08:47, joey_big_nose said:

Mowbray has said Holtbys out.

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Andy Bayes said yesterday he doubtful 

 

 

[J*B]

  On 20/11/2020 at 07:39, tomphil said:

They do all this research beforehand they tell us enough, how many deals have fallen through because of it ?  A few i'll bet.

Yet when it comes to ex boro players......

In all honesty old pals acts aside Rovers have long had a policy under venkys of chucking risky contracts to older or injury prone players. I think TM in his stint think he can cover them so collects a few extras especially in midfield as we all know Holtby, Evans, Johnson are never going to play back to back games for any period of time even if we only had 1 per week.

Given that it's odd we didn't get another centre half of some sort through the door but nothing new we've been here before. It's a risky policy to operate though and i feel is another thing that holds us back a bit. Getting decent players here these days has proved difficult though so it's something we have to live with if you want a bit of quality and experience in the squad.

 We still should've signed Bauer though he would have proved decent vfm by now for sure, no world beater but no worse than anything we've got. 

 

 

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Ayala when fit is one of the best centre backs in the league and would get into most teams. Hugely experienced, multiple promotion winner and captain. He’s worth the risk for me, if we get him starting 32 games (or whatever the average earlier in this thread) he will pay for himself. 

[arbitro]

  On 19/11/2020 at 19:25, philipl said:

From transfer mart:

DANIEL AYALA INJURY HISTORY

 

Season	Injury	from	until	Days	Games missed
20/21	Groin Strain	Oct 22, 2020	Nov 22, 2020	31 days	6
19/20	Ankle Injury	Jan 2, 2020	Sep 27, 2020	269 days	6
16/17	Ankle Injury	Jul 6, 2016	Aug 20, 2016	45 days	1
13/14	Ankle Injury	Feb 2, 2014	Apr 11, 2014	68 days	12
11/12	Ankle Injury	Feb 4, 2012	Mar 3, 2012	28 days	5
11/12	Knee Injury	Aug 25, 2011	Sep 10, 2011	16 days	1

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I don't know the credibility of this website but it covers the missing years from above. He missed almost a third of each of the seasons.

https://www.flashscore.com/player/ayala-daniel/OtrQ5vXo/

[Mattyblue]

  On 20/11/2020 at 09:47, J*B said:

Ayala when fit is one of the best centre backs in the league and would get into most teams. Hugely experienced, multiple promotion winner and captain. He’s worth the risk for me, if we get him starting 32 games (or whatever the average earlier in this thread) he will pay for himself. 

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32 is a good season, his average is 20 odd.

You’d wager that’s only going to get worse as gets older, but I suppose Mulgrew came here with an injury prone reputation and we got plenty of games out of him, so perhaps worth the risk given his quality - but it is a crucial position that already contains two players often out of action...

[tomphil]

  On 20/11/2020 at 09:47, J*B said:

Ayala when fit is one of the best centre backs in the league and would get into most teams. Hugely experienced, multiple promotion winner and captain. He’s worth the risk for me, if we get him starting 32 games (or whatever the average earlier in this thread) he will pay for himself. 

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Never in doubt but neither was his injury record.

That's the gamble and it can't be any surprise he's out already. My point was it's a similar story with the midfield so TM has a pool of them to cover it.

Defence he keeps going over the same old turf with Williams the only other expericed one. Somebody increasingly injury prone himself.

[LeftWinger]

  On 20/11/2020 at 09:51, Mattyblue said:

32 is a good season, his average is 20 odd.

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That's nonsense.

Last 6 seasons:

2014/15: 38 appearances

2015/16: 39 appearances

2016/17: 17 appearances

2017/18: 39 appearances

2018/19: 39 appearances

2019/20: 25 appearances

[Mattyblue]

  On 20/11/2020 at 10:18, LeftWinger said:

That's nonsense.

Last 6 seasons:

2014/15: 38 appearances

2015/16: 39 appearances

2016/17: 17 appearances

2017/18: 39 appearances

2018/19: 39 appearances

2019/20: 25 appearances

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League Starts? I’ve obviously been misreading the stats then.

 

Great stuff if that’s the case and he should be largely available going forward, as we’ll need it with the other two often out.

 

Edited November 20, 2020 by Mattyblue

[LeftWinger]

  On 20/11/2020 at 10:24, Mattyblue said:

League Starts? I’ve obviously been misreading the stats then.

 

Great stuff if that’s the case and he should be largely available going forward, as we’ll need it with the other two often out.

 

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That's all competitions - but still not quite as bad as people are making out.

I've added Lenihan's numbers for comparison:

Last 6 seasons:

2014/15: 38 appearances (DL 20)

2015/16: 39 appearances (DL 27)

2016/17: 17 appearances (DL 44) 

2017/18: 39 appearances (DL 15)

2018/19: 39 appearances (DL 39)

2019/20: 25 appearances (DL 39)

[arbitro]

  On 20/11/2020 at 09:51, Mattyblue said:

32 is a good season, his average is 20 odd.

You’d wager that’s only going to get worse as gets older, but I suppose Mulgrew came here with an injury prone reputation and we got plenty of games out of him, so perhaps worth the risk given his quality - but it is a crucial position that already contains two players often out of action...

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I worked it out as 27 league games on average per season.

[Blue blood]

Not sure this would be a debate if either a) the other defenders were always fit or b) we had adequate cover. 

As it is neither is the case. Given the 8000 midfielders we have you do wonder why we play it so risky in terms of numbers and questionable fitness in the defence. 

For example - regardless of ability - Evans isn't massively missed because you have Holtby, Rothwell, Travis, Trybull, Johnson and Downing who can all play there. Bennett too I guess. Whereas defence is much thinner on the ground. 

Groundhog Day at Rovers though with a cobbled together defence. 

[rigger]

  On 20/11/2020 at 12:32, Blue blood said:

Not sure this would be a debate if either a) the other defenders were always fit or b) we had adequate cover. 

As it is neither is the case. Given the 8000 midfielders we have you do wonder why we play it so risky in terms of numbers and questionable fitness in the defence. 

For example - regardless of ability - Evans isn't massively missed because you have Holtby, Rothwell, Travis, Trybull, Johnson and Downing who can all play there. Bennett too I guess. Whereas defence is much thinner on the ground. 

Groundhog Day at Rovers though with a cobbled together defence. 

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The way the squad is manned is purely down to the manager and where he thinks cover is needed. The trouble is TM's thought processes are difficult to understand, with the forthcoming information (disinformation).

Edited November 20, 2020 by rigger

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Predict The Score - Romantic weekend in Bangor with Shebby Singh for the winner (self-funded)

Luton 1 Rovers 1

Edited November 20, 2020 by Hoochie Bloochie Mama

[dallydally]

See that idiot Prutton on Sky is forecasting Luton to win 2 nil! Plonker

[rigger]

  On 20/11/2020 at 13:12, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Predict The Score - Romantic weekend in Bangor with Shebby Singh for the winner (self-funded)

Luton 1 Rovers 1

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Luton 0 Rovers 4

[RoverInWigan]

Missed club football. Should be looking at nothing but 3 points here but Luton have started well. That last game of the 19/20 season should be a motivator after Luton hiding the ball! A quarter of the season gone and that massive injury list reduced (slightly) and you would think the new signings should have settled in now. I am going to say we will nick a 0 - 1.

[Mattyblue]

  On 20/11/2020 at 14:00, dallydally said:

See that idiot Prutton on Sky is forecasting Luton to win 2 nil! Plonker

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How the hell he gets the main presenting gig for Sky’s EFL coverage, fella’s stiff as a board.

Edited November 20, 2020 by Mattyblue

[G Somerset Rover]

Genuinely no idea what to expect here result wise. We need to string a decent run together if we’re to even remotely trouble the play-off spots, so fingers crossed we can turn this lot over tomorrow. If Arma and Kaminski are fit, then I think we will.

[Kie_BRFC]

I get we should take nothing for granted in this league, but if we can’t go into this game expecting a win then that says a lot for our aspirations this season. Get the job done boys 

[simongarnerisgod]

  On 20/11/2020 at 13:12, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Predict The Score - Romantic weekend in Bangor with Shebby Singh for the winner (self-funded)

Luton 1 Rovers 1

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luton 2 rovers 4

[Mercer]

3-2 to Rovers - heart ruling head!

[darrenrover]

  On 20/11/2020 at 18:39, Mercer said:

3-2 to Rovers - heart ruling head!

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For once Mercer, regarding score predictions, I'm inclined to agree with you. I'm also going to have a punt on the outcome!

If we are to have true promotion aspirations, 3 points is a must here surely. Follow that up with 3 more on Tuesday night and we'll all be happy bunnies!

COYB!