TRANSFER THREAD - JANUARY 2021

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

neither good enough for us in the PL days and I wouldnt take either now. 

You might not have noticed but we aren't playing in the PL at the moment. I'd take either over Johnson or a lad who'll be going back to his parent club in May.

[chaddyrovers]

3 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

You might not have noticed but we aren't playing in the PL at the moment. I'd take either over Johnson or a lad who'll be going back to his parent club in May.

I am fully aware thanks Tyrone that we are in Championship but Taylor or Johansson weren't good enough for then. Both poor defenders

Johnson isnt a centre back either. 

Branthwaite you mean? Who has improved our defence and kept back to back clean sheet in last 2 games. 

[jim mk2]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

I am fully aware thanks Tyrone that we are in Championship but Taylor or Johansson weren't good enough for then. Both poor defenders

Taylor played more than 300 league games for a number of very good clubs including Rovers, Sheff Wed, Birmingham and Norwich, under many top-name managers. You don't do that by being a poor defender.

Johansson played more than 500 league games for Rovers, Leicester, Bayern, Nurembourg and AEK Athens. You don't do that by being a poor defender. 

Both streets ahead of any defenders we have at the club now.

[Gav]

29 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Who else at this level has lumped £12 million plus on two strikers who can't hold down a regular place ?

The same club that has spent £4.99 on Armstrong and Dack who are now probably worth £30m+ in todays market.

Its just a lazy argument concerning Gallagher and Brereton, its time to move on, posters need some new material.

By the way Tiny Taylor was an awful centre back, if you think any different that says about your ability to spot a player than anything else, Johansson was a bit better.

Edited January 31, 2021 by Gav

[Ewood Ace]

1 minute ago, Gav said:

Its just a lazy argument concerning Gallagher and Brereton, its time to move on, posters need some new material.

It difficult to move on when they are both here on 4 year contracts. Surely even a devout supporter of Mowbray like yourself must admit that the £12 Million could have been spent so much better. You are always telling us how we can't compete financially so surely that make it even more vital that when we spend significant sums that we get it right.

1 minute ago, Gav said:

The same club that has spent £4.99 on Armstrong and Dack who are now probably worth £30m+ in todays market.

It was £2.5 Million plus add on actually so lets not make out that they bought at knock off prices although I'm not surprised you are as you seem to love talking the club down and making us out to be minnows with no money.

[Gav]

2 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

It difficult to move on when they are both here on 4 year contracts. Surely even a devout supporter of Mowbray like yourself must admit that the £12 Million could have been spent so much better. You are always telling us how we can't compete financially so surely that make it even more vital that when we spend significant sums that we get it right.

It was £2.5 Million plus add on actually so lets not make out that they bought at knock off prices although I'm not surprised you are as you seem to love talking the club down and making us out to be minnows with no money.

Captain Hindsight here.....

I don't want to move either player on, Brereton is a player, I can see that, Gallagher is being kept out by the Championships top scorer, its good to have options.

 

 

 

[roversfan99]

The minnow thing shouldnt ever be accepted and this is the perfect example. Mowbray has had over 15m over 4 years to assemble his own attacking options, obviously he has done that to a mixed degree, 2 obvious bargain successes, and 2 overpriced curiosities. 

You look at bigger clubs above us and naturally its easy to cast admiring glances at what seems to be bigger resources. But take Watford, parachute payments, bigger wage bill, surely they are at a huge advantage to which we cant compete? You look at it with more clarity, they have Andre Gray and Troy Deeney, washed up, de-motivated on huge wages, unshiftable, with the manager forced to try and get a tune from them. You look at Norwich, their best players all signed years ago in the Championship on frees or for minimal fees. You look at Stoke, O'Neill coming in and surely having all the benefits and perks of being a former Premier League club? Look closer, and you have a constant wreckage left behind by numerous managers. Swansea and Brentford constantly having to replace star players with cheaper replacements.

[Ewood Ace]

14 minutes ago, Gav said:

The same club that has spent £4.99 on Armstrong and Dack who are now probably worth £30m+ in todays market.

I've just found it Armstrong cost £1.75 Million with add ons rising up to £3 Million. Just the £1.75 Million alone is more than 25% of clubs in this division have spent on a player in their entire history. So just remember that when you telling us that we are paupers in this division.

3 minutes ago, Gav said:

Captain Hindsight here.....

Absolutely not if you go back and read my previous posts you will see that I have had long held opinions on Gallagher and Brereton.

[chaddyrovers]

25 minutes ago, jim mk2 said:

Taylor played more than 300 league games for a number of very good clubs including Rovers, Sheff Wed, Birmingham and Norwich, under many top-name managers. You don't do that by being a poor defender.

Johansson played more than 500 league games for Rovers, Leicester, Bayern, Nurembourg and AEK Athens. You don't do that by being a poor defender. 

Both streets ahead of any defenders we have at the club now.

Taylor played under top name managers? Who were these apart from Souness who sold him. 

Johansson played 2 games for Bayern. That's it before he was sold to Nuremberg. He never played for AEK Athens. So dont know why you mention then..https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/nils-eric-johansson/profil/spieler/205

 

[Tugayisgod]

24 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

It difficult to move on when they are both here on 4 year contracts. Surely even a devout supporter of Mowbray like yourself must admit that the £12 Million could have been spent so much better. You are always telling us how we can't compete financially so surely that make it even more vital that when we spend significant sums that we get it right.

It was £2.5 Million plus add on actually so lets not make out that they bought at knock off prices although I'm not surprised you are as you seem to love talking the club down and making us out to be minnows with no money.

If you want to talk "real" transfer fees then Gallagher and Brereton weren't  anywhere near 12 million either

Edited January 31, 2021 by Tugayisgod

[Ewood Ace]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Taylor played under top name managers? Who were these apart from Souness who sold him. 

Johansson played 2 games for Bayern. That's it before he was sold to Nuremberg. He never played for AEK Athens. So dont know why you mention then..https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/nils-eric-johansson/profil/spieler/205

 

Both were streets ahead of any centre back that we own now though. 

[chaddyrovers]

11 minutes ago, Ewood Ace said:

Both were streets ahead of any centre back that we own now though. 

Werent even the best at the club. 

Berg and Short were twice the player they were. 

Edited January 31, 2021 by chaddyrovers

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

3 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

If you want to talk "real" transfer fees then Gallagher and Brereton weren't  anywhere near 12 million either

They weren't? 

[jim mk2]

 

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Taylor played under top name managers? Who were these apart from Souness who sold him. 

Johansson played 2 games for Bayern. That's it before he was sold to Nuremberg. He never played for AEK Athens. So dont know why you mention then..https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/nils-eric-johansson/profil/spieler/205

 

Misread AIK for AEK. Both were very good players who had excellent careers. If we had them now we'd be a much stronger side. None of Lenihan and his numerous partners come anywhere close. 

[Tugayisgod]

4 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

They weren't? 

No they weren't, its ironic that to prove a point about Mowbray, people trundle out these figures as if it was paid up front. We all know transfer fees are staggered over the years, and performance based. If most people on here are correct about them,we'll have nothing to worry about on that score. 

[toogs]

59 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

I am fully aware thanks Tyrone that we are in Championship but Taylor or Johansson weren't good enough for then. Both poor defenders

Johnson isnt a centre back either. 

Branthwaite you mean? Who has improved our defence and kept back to back clean sheet in last 2 games. 

Johanson a poor defender?  Good grief. 

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, toogs said:

Johanson a poor defender?  Good grief. 

Hes wasnt good either. 

Let's not re write history again. 

 

[roversfan99]

1 minute ago, Tugayisgod said:

No they weren't, its ironic that to prove a point about Mowbray, people trundle out these figures as if it was paid up front. We all know transfer fees are staggered over the years, and performance based. If most people on here are correct about them,we'll have nothing to worry about on that score. 

They have been regularly and consistently reported at that amount across the board since they happened, the manager has also touched upon them fees in interviews during that period. Speculating as to how they are paid is baseless, if it is on the assumption that most if not all fees are paid in installments which is a fair assumption then it becomes irrelevant because had the money been spent elsewhere that would also be installments. To be fair and acknowledge the Dack and Armstrong bargains, the other 2 deserve to be scrutinised too.

[jim mk2]

1 minute ago, chaddyrovers said:

He was very good. 

Let's not re write history again. 

 

Changed it for you

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

7 minutes ago, Tugayisgod said:

No they weren't, its ironic that to prove a point about Mowbray, people trundle out these figures as if it was paid up front. We all know transfer fees are staggered over the years, and performance based. If most people on here are correct about them,we'll have nothing to worry about on that score. 

Have you got a link? 

[Wovers]

49 minutes ago, Gav said:

The same club that has spent £4.99 on Armstrong and Dack who are now probably worth £30m+ in todays market.

Its just a lazy argument concerning Gallagher and Brereton, its time to move on, posters need some new material.

By the way Tiny Taylor was an awful centre back, if you think any different that says about your ability to spot a player than anything else, Johansson was a bit better.

The argument isn’t whether or not certain defenders are good or bad, it’s whether or not they are better than what we have now. Taylor and Johanson are streets ahead of lenihan, Ayala, Williams, Magloire. Brathwaite, not seen enough so hold judgement. Taylor and Johanson played many games in the top flight, both were competent top flight defenders, none of the current crop are competent championship defenders half of the time. 

[Wovers]

27 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Taylor played under top name managers? Who were these apart from Souness who sold him. 

Johansson played 2 games for Bayern. That's it before he was sold to Nuremberg. He never played for AEK Athens. So dont know why you mention then..https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/nils-eric-johansson/profil/spieler/205

 

What’s the point you are trying to make? They are both better than any centre half we currently have, so what point are you trying to make?

[Ewood Ace]

4 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Hes wasnt good either. 

Let's not re write history again. 

 

He was an extremely solid defender. You are the one rewriting history. If we had a defender of his ability in our current squad then we'd most likely be in the top 6.

[neophox]

Kipre Harwood-Bellis Pickering a hectic window appears at last... 

Want cover as Brantwaite has an minor injury and we are short on cover..

[Ewood Ace]

58 minutes ago, Gav said:

By the way Tiny Taylor was an awful centre back, if you think any different that says about your ability to spot a player than anything else, Johansson was a bit better.

You have ago at someone else's ability to spot a player and then in your next post you say that Brereton 'is a player'.🤣