Ben Marshall - Under The Cosh Podcast #89

[roversfan99]

He was a terrible manager, but I believe him on his stuff about the sudden cut backs and the failed promises, not even necessarily to him. Their tenure has been full of that.

[tomphil]

The stuff about the Rhodes money was common knowledge in the Rovers corridors of power at the time that's why Lambert came here.  

That's why he bailed out as well.

[arbitro]

53 minutes ago, tomphil said:

The stuff about the Rhodes money was common knowledge in the Rovers corridors of power at the time that's why Lambert came here.  

That's why he bailed out as well.

And yet he was pilloried by some for walking away. The errant ones reneged on a promise and a principled manager knew he couldn't work for them as he pretty much couldn't trust them.

[DeeCee]

8 hours ago, S8 & Blue said:

To be fair, he doesn't seem like a bad fella really, just a propensity to chat shite.

Enthusiastic but woefully, terribly, and unforgivably out of his depth above Scottish second division sized clubs.

Says he regrets taking the job, never should have, but to be fair I can't blame him for taking it. At the time he was (rightfully) on the scrapheap.

On a hiding to nothing, his last big gig, take the money, that's how it is, sadly 

[Miller11]

I skipped quite a lot of this up until the couple of minutes he discussed Rovers. The thing that really struck me from what I did listen to was his self confidence that strays comfortably into delusion. Massively exaggerated scoring records, mentioned being an international player a lot considering he got just one cap, and basically sees himself as a world class player to this day. He’s only slightly less in cloud cuckoo land on his managerial achievements.

[speeeeeeedie]

I finished Malcolm Christie yesterday. It was the best one I've listened to. I recommend it. A complete contrast from Ben Marshall and his nonchalance.

It's a 2 parter, but worth the time to listen to. He's wellspoken and has a good story to tell.

Recurring themes I've noticed whilst listening the podcasts are the unscrupulous nature of agents, the ruthless sometimes petty nature of clubs, and the selfishness of football managers.*

I'll give the Owen Coyle one a miss. I'm not interested in what he has to say, regardless of the terrible job he did at BRFC.

*after reading that sentence it is very pro player; not unexpected for a podcast interviewing former players. For some balance the podcast also illustrates that a good portion of footballers - especially during their playing years - are extremely immature, make bad decisions, listen to the wrong people, and have no idea that there is a world out there.

Edited November 3, 2022 by speeeeeeedie

[Oldgregg86]

4 hours ago, speeeeeeedie said:

I finished Malcolm Christie yesterday. It was the best one I've listened to. I recommend it. A complete contrast from Ben Marshall and his nonchalance.

It's a 2 parter, but worth the time to listen to. He's wellspoken and has a good story to tell.

Recurring themes I've noticed whilst listening the podcasts are the unscrupulous nature of agents, the ruthless sometimes petty nature of clubs, and the selfishness of football managers.*

I'll give the Owen Coyle one a miss. I'm not interested in what he has to say, regardless of the terrible job he did at BRFC.

*after reading that sentence it is very pro player; not unexpected for a podcast interviewing former players. For some balance the podcast also illustrates that a good portion of footballers - especially during their playing years - are extremely immature, make bad decisions, listen to the wrong people, and have no idea that there is a world out there.

Todays was David stockdale the Fulham and Birmingham keeper. He has an attitude like Christie, you just know he was a good lad and what he says is true . If you enjoyed the Malcom Christie one this one’s for you to. Talks a lot about how badly treated he was at Birmingham and it’s pretty appalling tbh the things the club did to him

[speeeeeeedie]

17 hours ago, Oldgregg86 said:

Todays was David stockdale the Fulham and Birmingham keeper. He has an attitude like Christie, you just know he was a good lad and what he says is true . If you enjoyed the Malcom Christie one this one’s for you to. Talks a lot about how badly treated he was at Birmingham and it’s pretty appalling tbh the things the club did to him

I'll give it a listen. 

[Polky]

On 28/10/2022 at 10:17, Oldgregg86 said:

Not a lot rovers related and featured towards the end.

Owen, whilst over hyping his own ability and achievements, talks about how the owners treated Paul lambert.

He says Paul was promised the Jordan Rhodes money plus an additional 20 million (maybe where the war chest comment came from) and after Jordon was sold was told there would be no money and it was about cost cutting and claimed similar happened to him. 

Be interested in peoples opinions on what he said

 

it around the hour and half point

Sacked 6 years ago today…What a truly awful appointment! 

[DeeCee]

2 hours ago, BRFC_Polky said:

Sacked 6 years ago today…What a truly awful appointment! 

Is that all, it seems like a lifetime ago, TMs reign was 5 years of monoTony

[Oldgregg86]

Danny Simpson was in this week, not listened yet so don’t know if there is any mention of his limited time here

[speeeeeeedie]

36 minutes ago, Oldgregg86 said:

Danny Simpson was in this week, not listened yet so don’t know if there is any mention of his limited time here

He was terrible for Rovers so I doubt he'll say much. 

Another podcast I listen to is on hiatus so I've listened to a few of these lately, and I try to go with those who have Rovers connections.

The David Stockdale one was, as you recommended, very good. 

Stuart Downing was excellent. They don't get many players on who played at the top. Downing seemed like a down to earth lad. The hosts turned into fans rather than ex-players with him. 

Craig Hignett was well spoken and had some good stories. Another who came across very well.

Luke Varney - another Venky's era signing who did not much of anything for Rovers. He seemed like a bit of a plonker.

[Polky]

 

[Mattyblue]

Seeing a ✍️ photo next to pints of lager and dark fruit is a first for me 😁

Edited June 1, 2023 by Mattyblue

[tomphil]

Who's picking up his bar tab ?

[DE.]

Mad how he literally went from playing in a Championship to West Lancashire Division One in the space of four months, and was only 28 at the time. 

[arbitro]

19 hours ago, BRFC_Polky said:

 

This is going to end in tears 😢😢 😄😄

[JacknOry]

That picture sums him up. A fat beer-loving bloke that is good at football. Had the talent but didn't wanna work for it. 

[tomphil]

2 hours ago, JacknOry said:

That picture sums him up. A fat beer-loving bloke that is good at football. Had the talent but didn't wanna work for it. 

There have been soooo many like that it's sad but at least this lad seems to have had wise people around him to invest his money.

Although Marshall was a decent player here i'm so glad the club have moved away from those drinking culture obsessed types.

[K-Hod]

5 hours ago, JacknOry said:

That picture sums him up. A fat beer-loving bloke that is good at football. Had the talent but didn't wanna work for it. 

I know someone that knows him well, trust me- there’s a lot more to it than that.

It’s more along the lines of why David Bentley packed it in, than anything.

[tomphil]

I respect his honesty in basically admitting he didn't enjoy it and couldn't be arsed with it once he realised he'd never make the Prem.  

Can't respect throwing talent and opportunities away and treating playing for the mighty Rovers like some kind of well paid hobby though.

End of the day some just aren't cut out for it i suppose and despite what we think as fans it's a very demanding industry and money ain't the be all and end all.

[DE.]

Marshall contributed more than most during the Bowyer years, so I don't really have an axe to grind with him. If I was a Wolves or Norwich fan, on the other hand, I might be more annoyed. As far as Norwich are concerned though at least he cancelled his contract rather than sit on it for four years contributing nothing. 

Edited June 3, 2023 by DE.

[speeeeeeedie]

I go through phases of listening to Undr the Cosh. I've not listened to one in ages but did again the other day. 

I started with Karl Colley, a lad who had potential but never made it; Undr the Cosh; Karl Colley "the non-league Cantona"

Has anyone else listened? There is a lot going on in this episode. I don't know whether to give him credit or dismiss him as a complete thicko. I will say that he does tell a story of him trying to commit suicide. 

[Mattyblue]

Any Salmoners on here, how’s Marshall getting on. Enjoying the clubhouse?

[tomphil]

I still think he's arguably the best rwb we've had in the Venky championship era it's a pity he was plonked there earlier.

I listened to the Lambert one the other night and they covered all his clubs except Rovers apart from right at the beginning in a brief exchange between him and Brown.

Rather odd i thought i wonder if he's still under NDA ?

Either that or he detested his time here so hes just erased it.

Edited September 6 by tomphil