Mowbrays Successor

[JHRover]

I'd put money on it that with the time and money Mowbray has had we'd be higher in the league under Lambert.

We'd also not have been relegated if we'd have had him rather than Coyle/Mowbray.

[rigger]

14 minutes ago, JHRover said:

I'd put money on it that with the time and money Mowbray has had we'd be higher in the league under Lambert.

We'd also not have been relegated if we'd have had him rather than Coyle/Mowbray.

This statement cannot be proven so it is a little pointless.

[1864roverite]

Lambert has really proven his value since leaving Rovers hasn’t he?

The mans a full time prick like his pal Mowbray 

[RevidgeBlue]

3 hours ago, Richard Oakley said:

Lambert was a good appointment as were those appointed around him. Had us on the cusp of the playoffs before off-field infighting sabotaged the season. He had the team playing in the formation he wanted, 352, winning the two last games using it. He'd worked out what he needed and had costed it out. He didn't get it and walked. He had a chip on his shoulder when he joined us and now it's the size of a metaphorical mountain. He wouldn't be a good choice even to the end of the season. He's no reason not to want to see us relegated.

Usually agree with you but Lambert's useless. Like Mowbray will be doing in summer he left the contract situation in an appalling state. Not one striker under contract when he left.

And, with hindsight we now know he never had any intention of staying long term but was merely using us as a leg up back into the job market.

 

[Richard Oakley]

2 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Usually agree with you but Lambert's useless. Like Mowbray will be doing in summer he left the contract situation in an appalling state. Not one striker under contract when he left.

And, with hindsight we now know he never had any intention of staying long term but was merely using us as a leg up back into the job market.

 

Yes, he was only here to rebuild his reputation. That didn't work out for him. The flip side is whether he'd have changed his mind had he got what he wanted. Of course that didn't happen and I certainly wouldn't want him back, which I think Chaddy was suggesting.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

2 hours ago, Richard Oakley said:

Had us on the cusp of the playoffs before off-field infighting sabotaged the season.

Either my memory is going or that is utter bollocks.

[tomphil]

I couldn't see Lambert doing much different to TM but it would have been interesting to see how he invested money.  He was a bit more agricultural and organized than Mowbrays sides. I think he'd have started with defense that's for sure, would he have pished 12 million on BB & SG unless he had to ?

Doubt it but to be fair TM has brought in some good players and loans and blooded some good youth. The fact he clearly hasn't got the first clue how to mould a best starting 11 out of them is the main issue.  So he's hidden behind development, transition, possession, pitch, various other clubs models, injuries, journey, training ground and now back to money again.

He's gone the full circle twice over in every aspect and besides just imagine Mowbray coming in here with no Graham or bennett.....Lamberts signings.

[Richard Oakley]

14 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Either my memory is going or that is utter bollocks.

I have had a look at the tables from 2015/16 and have to confess 'yep bollocks', I'm looking at Lambert's time in charge with rose-tinted glasses. Those are now chucked.

[RevidgeBlue]

14 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Either my memory is going or that is utter bollocks.

We're talking November/early December there. It was after his first five games where the results were impressive if not the football.

Then he appeared to lose the players and the rest of the season was dismal. 

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

It was after his first five games where the results were impressive if not the football.

Untrue. He did well in his first 5 games and then went on a run of 1 win in 11 from mid-December to Mid-Feb....then a few wins and losses...and then another run of 1 win in 9 towards the end of the season.

Just another in a long line of shite managers since they sacked Allardyce. 

[RevidgeBlue]

 

3 minutes ago, Hoochie Bloochie Mama said:

Untrue. He did well in his first 5 games 

Exactly what I said!

"It was after his first five games where the results were impressive."

That was the only point we were on the cusp of the play offs. We were playing someone or other on Sky and if we'd have won we'd have gone 6th albeit other teams would have had several games in hand. We laboured to a 0-0.

Essentially I agree with you 100%.

[JHRover]

The difference with Lambert was that he had only one blemish on his CV prior to coming here, and that was the last 12-18 months of his 3 years at Aston Villa. Prior to that it had been all good for him - in the lower leagues, shooting up the divisions with Norwich and then keeping Villa up despite cutbacks. 

Of course since then he's gone on to have short mediocre/unsuccessful stints with us, Wolves, Stoke and Ipswich and seems to be a busted flush. But I don't think there can be any criticism at all for his appointment, pretty much all of us were pleasantly surprised and impressed with it.

By comparison it would probably be the equivalent of us bringing in Chris Wilder now - a manager who was hot property and worked miracles up to the last 12 months and then hit a brick wall at Sheff Utd and left them facing relegation. Most of us would be delighted if he rocked up here regardless of how he left Sheffield.

The logic behind the Lambert move was there. Still think it was structured in a way so that it was a short term approach for both parties - Rovers 'invested' thinking him and his team could catapult us into promotion contention overnight and Lambert took it thinking he could repair his reputation and persuade them to back him with cash.

The difference was that the other recent appointments of Coyle and Mowbray were less impressive. Both had gone through multiple years and clubs before coming here with downward trajectories. Mowbray's last and only major success was 9 years earlier in getting WBA promoted and he had failed at Celtic, Middlesbrough and Coventry since then. Coyle had one good season with the dingles 7-8 years earlier followed by appalling spells with Bolton and Wigan before being exiled.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Just now, RevidgeBlue said:

Exactly what I said!

"It was after his first five games where the results were impressive."

I'm confused. After his first five games the results were shite. So the opposite of what you said. 🤔

[Stuart]

9 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Wash your mouth out, he's as bad as Mowbray.

If he joined until the end of the season he'd also insert a clause allowing him to jump ship if he lost the first two.

Why do you keep saying stuff like this - even at this point?

Lambert saw the writing on the wall and didn’t sign up to a deal that he’d be stuck with. He saw through the BS and left with his dignity intact.

Mowbray is more than happy to take the cash while Rovers slide down the table. He has become the source of the BS and will leave as one of the least dignified managers in our history.

[Hoochie Bloochie Mama]

Just now, JHRover said:

The difference with Lambert was that he had only one blemish on his CV prior to coming here, and that was the last 12-18 months of his 3 years at Aston Villa. Prior to that it had been all good for him - in the lower leagues, shooting up the divisions with Norwich and then keeping Villa up despite cutbacks. 

Of course since then he's gone on to have short mediocre/unsuccessful stints with us, Wolves, Stoke and Ipswich and seems to be a busted flush. But I don't think there can be any criticism at all for his appointment, pretty much all of us were pleasantly surprised and impressed with it.

By comparison it would probably be the equivalent of us bringing in Chris Wilder now - a manager who was hot property and worked miracles up to the last 12 months and then hit a brick wall at Sheff Utd and left them facing relegation. Most of us would be delighted if he rocked up here regardless of how he left Sheffield.

The logic behind the Lambert move was there. Still think it was structured in a way so that it was a short term approach for both parties - Rovers 'invested' thinking him and his team could catapult us into promotion contention overnight and Lambert took it thinking he could repair his reputation and persuade them to back him with cash.

The difference was that the other recent appointments of Coyle and Mowbray were less impressive. Both had gone through multiple years and clubs before coming here with downward trajectories. Mowbray's last and only major success was 9 years earlier in getting WBA promoted and he had failed at Celtic, Middlesbrough and Coventry since then. Coyle had one good season with the dingles 7-8 years earlier followed by appalling spells with Bolton and Wigan before being exiled.

So, essentially we just got Lambert earlier in his downward trajectory than we got Coyle or Mowbray. They all achieved about the same. 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, Stuart said:

Lambert saw the writing on the wall and didn’t sign up to a deal that he’d be stuck with. He saw through the BS and left with his dignity  intact.

If he was that bothered, why did he come here at all then?

His only concern in coming here was to get back on the job market.

If he'd ever any serious intention of staying for any length of time he'd have addressed the issue of the players whose contracts were running out at the time. Instead he completely ignored it. 

And which manager with long term ambitions sells their star striker on the last day of the window? Answer: one who knows he's buggering off three months later.

Absolute charlatan, mind you as you say Mowbray is turning out to be even worse.

[Stuart]

14 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Mowbray is turning out to be even worse.

No disagreement there!

Edited April 15, 2021 by Stuart

[RevidgeBlue]

3 minutes ago, Stuart said:

No disagreement there!

Yep.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Lambert.

Since he left I've been waiting for him to prove me wrong and he's been lurching from one disaster to another.

[dallydally]

23 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

If he was that bothered, why did he come here at all then?

His only concern in coming here was to get back on the job market.

If he'd ever any serious intention of staying for any length of time he'd have addressed the issue of the players whose contracts were running out at the time. Instead he completely ignored it. 

And which manager with long term ambitions sells their star striker on the last day of the window? Answer: one who knows he's buggering off three months later.

Absolute charlatan, mind you as you say Mowbray is turning out to be even worse.

What has Lambert achieved since he left? The square root of naff all. He had one successful season but is another journeyman Manager

[Stuart]

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Yep.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Lambert.

Since he left I've been waiting for him to prove me wrong and he's been lurching from one disaster to another.

He brought in several of the players who we were still relying on two managers later (and helped get us promoted). Wonder if we’ll be saying the same about Mowbray?

[RevidgeBlue]

1 minute ago, Stuart said:

He brought in several of the players who we were still relying on two managers later (and helped get us promoted). Wonder if we’ll be saying the same about Mowbray?

They got us relegated first tbf.

[Stuart]

4 minutes ago, RevidgeBlue said:

They got us relegated first tbf.

Touché.

But I’d wager that was more to do with Coyle and his doughnuts and table tennis competitions.

[oldjamfan1]

2 hours ago, Stuart said:

 

Lambert saw the writing on the wall and didn’t sign up to a deal that he’d be stuck with. He saw through the BS and left with his dignity intact.

I agree totally with everything you say about Mowbray but Lambert played us. He 100% thought he was getting the Celtic job at the end of his time with us.

His having that exit clause in his contract was geared towards what he thought his next job would be and little to do with his dignity or Venkys running of the club. 

[chaddyrovers]

9 hours ago, JHRover said:

I'd put money on it that with the time and money Mowbray has had we'd be higher in the league under Lambert.

We'd also not have been relegated if we'd have had him rather than Coyle/Mowbray.

I agree 100%

11 hours ago, Richard Oakley said:

Lambert was a good appointment as were those appointed around him. Had us on the cusp of the playoffs before off-field infighting sabotaged the season. He had the team playing in the formation he wanted, 352, winning the two last games using it. He'd worked out what he needed and had costed it out. He didn't get it and walked. He had a chip on his shoulder when he joined us and now it's the size of a metaphorical mountain. He wouldn't be a good choice even to the end of the season. He's no reason not to want to see us relegated.

Lambert was a good appointment and with the right backing when have got us. From the moment he walked into the club he raises expectations and knew what was needed for promotion. He produced a detail report of his short, medium and long term plans for the club. Sent it to the owners who didnt responded so he walked out. 

5 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

 

And which manager with long term ambitions sells their star striker on the last day of the window? Answer: one who knows he's buggering off three months later.

 

Rhodes was never going to be part of Lambert plans here. He isn't target man type of striker that Lambert always prefers using with a number 10, skilful striker or pacey striker. Lambert plays a target man striker(signed Graham for us) with Skilful striker(Signed Watt for us) or pacey striker(signed Jackson for us) during his time here. That's the way Lambert wanted to play. I just wonder how Lambert would have reshaped the squad that summer and how that season would have gone. 

Edited April 16, 2021 by chaddyrovers

[Sparks Rover]

17 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

striker(signed Jackson for us). That what he did here. 

Yeah, much prefer Simeon Jackson to Jordan Rhodes....🤪 only you could justify that one.  Where is Jackson now...?