Brockhall STC - planning permission application ?

[RevidgeBlue]

25 minutes ago, JHRover said:

Community use? Since when was the purpose of our training ground to provide a facility for the community to use?

With the demands of a professional football club, academy, full time staff, rehab there simply isn't the space or time for locals to use the facilities

Nor do we want them there.

BwD has perfectly adequate sports facilities as it is. If the community want more they can pester the council for it.

Not Rovers job to provide facilities for people in Blackburn to use.

I'm from Hyndburn. Would I be able to use these facilities? Accy Stanley have recently erected steel fencing to prevent locals using their training pitch so why would we be any different?

Why should Joe Bloggs who supports United and does nothing for Rovers but lives in BWD get any benefit from our facilities?

Do folk from Salford get to go and use Carrington for a kick about?

 

 

Plus Category one Academy regulations require the facilities to be available for the youngsters exclusive use.

[Claytons Left Boot]

1 hour ago, Ewould Spark said:

…. Also where you one of the ones who condemned me for my assertion that the owners were in it for the long haul? I remember taking loads of flak for not agreeing with the then popular narrative that they were only here to ‘rape and pillage’ the club. Turns out I was spot on … but won’t be expecting apologies.

‘In it for the long haul’ normally implies owners who are willing to put their heart and soul into a club (or any other business, for that matter) and stay involved for as long as it takes, to either maintain standards or improve them.

This set of uninterested, absent landlords have done the exact opposite, have relegated us twice and put us in a position where our standing in the Championship is looking frail to say the least. We are only going in one direction and it’s not an upward trajectory.

Protect Jack’s legacy? What a fucking joke!

And a question you posed earlier about where would we be if we had run them out of town. The answer is probably still in the Premier League. We were an attractive, stable, relatively successful, family run PL club with state of the art training facilities and a supporter base of 20-22k, most of whom were season tickets holders. The Walker Trust sold us down the river and got rid to virtually the first buyers who appeared on the scene. Given time, they could (and should) have found more suitable buyers and certainly ones who would have upheld that legacy.
 

 

[Ewould Spark]

1 hour ago, Crimpshrine said:

We would have hope, pride and dignity rather than being the playthings of uninterested billionairs thousands of miles away.

… hope, pride and local derbies against Chorley and Southport.

[Claytons Left Boot]

I’ve not even mentioned the riches of the vastly improved tv deals that came along only a few seasons after we were sold. TV deals that have meant clubs like Burnley have been able to maintain a presence at the top table with relative ease.

[tomphil]

Kean, Anderson, SEM, Kentaro and assorted cronies where here to rape and pillage the club though.  Many of us weren't wrong about that.

All under the Venky banner.

Edited August 1, 2021 by tomphil

[Ewould Spark]

Just now, tomphil said:

Kean, Anderson, SEM, Kentaro and assorted cronies where here to rape and pillage the club though. 

All under the Venky banner.

You’ve certainly listed the real bad boys of this story … now remind me who brought Anderson in to find new buyers?

[jim mk2]

1 hour ago, Ewould Spark said:

The club is in a far better place than when I started following them … when paying the milkman was famously a problem. I think we are probably slightly over performing for a club of our resources … but  as always, they continue to bring joy and frustration into my life in equal measures … and I wouldn’t have it any other way!

 

The club years ago was run by local businessmen who were Rovers fans to the core and had nothing but the interests of the club at heart. Can you say the same about the present owners?

Clubs with fewer "resources" than ours such as Burnley and Watford are doing very well. In terms of size and stature we were on a par with the likes of Southampton before Venky's turned up. That is what they threw away

If you came on here with the sole intention of antagonising genuine long suffering fans you are succeeding 

Edited August 1, 2021 by jim mk2

[Crimpshrine]

15 minutes ago, Ewould Spark said:

… hope, pride and local derbies against Chorley and Southport.

preferable to the current situation.

[Ewould Spark]

1 minute ago, Crimpshrine said:

preferable to the current situation.

Not to me mate. 

[tomphil]

19 minutes ago, Ewould Spark said:

You’ve certainly listed the real bad boys of this story … now remind me who brought Anderson in to find new buyers?

That was a decade ago yet here we are starring down the barrel of yet another gun.

Remind us who still owns the club.

[MarkBRFC]

It does make me laugh that anyone thinks, after a decade of downsizing and downgrading everything to do with the club, that these owners and management are capable of selling the current training ground and building something better and more modern on another site.

Incredible.

[RoversClitheroe]

@Ewould Spark Hi mate, just a quick one in regards to the consolidation of the two sites.

Yes it is a good idea when you look at a club like Everton who have 45 acres of land.

When Waggot is looking to consolidate in 12 acres it's obviously not going to work.

The fact he compared the consolidation to the above scenario is an absolute disgrace, he thinks us fans are absolutely stupid. 

[JHRover]

Waggott thinks that the supporters were all born yesterday, and that the peasants will just accept whatever excuse/rationale he comes out with.

Sadly that is correct for a large chunk of our support base, who can't see the wool being pulled over their eyes. Fortunately there are a good number of us who can see through it all and can see the likes of him are actually unworthy of this club and are not to be trusted.

[Mattyblue]

Even the Price of Football podcast that is usually up the arse of the Raos sees the ‘merger under one roof’ ‘state of the art’ etc as spin and it is obviously a way of reducing costs and grabbing sizeable real estate income.

[JBiz]

On 01/08/2021 at 16:45, Ewould Spark said:

Hi Simon … long time no see! The fact remains that the current set up, spread out over two sites is not ideal. If it could be consolidated on to one site, with all the obvious benefits that brings, why not?

This is basically my thoughts on this.

I understand the worry / lack of confidence in the rationale and current CEO.

I don’t understand the mindset that what we have is already perfect, purely because it’s Jack Walkers investment and still category 1.

Perhaps a more independent enquiry / assessment of these plans / ideas are necessary to avoid the speculation and worry?

[rigger]

9 minutes ago, JBiz said:

This is basically my thoughts on this.

I understand the worry / lack of confidence in the rationale and current CEO.

I don’t understand the mindset that what we have is already perfect, purely because it’s Jack Walkers investment and still category 1.

Perhaps a more independent enquiry / assessment of these plans / ideas are necessary to avoid the speculation and worry?

I don't think anyone has said that the setup is perfect. But is it not better to keep what we have got, than to downgrade it ?

[Mattyblue]

‘Two sites’, they are down the road from each other. No different than many a workplace, my own, for example (though WFH now saves the walk for meetings).

Really disingenuous statements from Waggott et al that tries to make out they are in different time zones.

[47er]

On 02/08/2021 at 04:13, Ewould Spark said:

… hope, pride and local derbies against Chorley and Southport.

Bolton---16000+ attendance at the weekend compared to our 10000+. Does that give you a clue?

Even Preston had 12000+. You're flogging a dying horse mate. Fans have made their mind up.

[JBiz]

5 minutes ago, rigger said:

I don't think anyone has said that the setup is perfect. But is it not better to keep what we have got, than to downgrade it ?

I don’t recall it being described as a “downgrade” hence why I mentioned some “independent” view of their plans would be more revealing.

Mark Hughes originally changed the setup (swapped the senior for academy sites https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/6218466.feel-burn/ )

My take on the plans - we’ve so many acres of land worth x amount that we aren’t specifically using. We want to upgrade the brick, and by consolidating both sites (much like our first team is essentially “consolidated” by U23s) we could raise enough funds to pay for it.

I think, under different owners / ceo, nobody would’ve batted an eyelid.

[47er]

16 minutes ago, rigger said:

I don't think anyone has said that the setup is perfect. But is it not better to keep what we have got, than to downgrade it ?

Exactly, anyone who thinks the alternative will be an improvement is delusional. We know what to expect from recent history---the stadium, the pitch, the team, next---the training facilities!

Edited August 9, 2021 by 47er

[rigger]

1 minute ago, JBiz said:

I don’t recall it being described as a “downgrade” hence why I mentioned some “independent” view of their plans would be more revealing.

Mark Hughes originally changed the setup (swapped the senior for academy sites https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/6218466.feel-burn/ )

My take on the plans - we’ve so many acres of land worth x amount that we aren’t specifically using. We want to upgrade the brick, and by consolidating both sites (much like our first team is essentially “consolidated” by U23s) we could raise enough funds to pay for it.

I think, under different owners / ceo, nobody would’ve batted an eyelid.

If we lose the Cat 1 status, it will not be "Described as a downgrade". It will be a physical downgrade with removal of privilages. 

[Sparks Rover]

4 minutes ago, JBiz said:

 

 

 

I think, under different owners / ceo, nobody would’ve batted an eyelid.

Under different owner we are probably still a Premier league side and this penny pinching wouldn't be on the agenda.  

If our jewel in the Crown is the academy why are we screwing it up?

[47er]

On 02/08/2021 at 04:21, Ewould Spark said:

You’ve certainly listed the real bad boys of this story … now remind me who brought Anderson in to find new buyers?

Once Jack died the Walker Trust got rid as fast as their grubby hands could grab the dosh.

That doesn't provide an excuse for what followed ---so what's your point?

[JBiz]

Just now, Sparks Rover said:

Under different owner we are probably still a Premier league side and this penny pinching wouldn't be on the agenda.  

If our jewel in the Crown is the academy why are we screwing it up?

You’re assumption that “are we screwing it up” is what I’m trying to explain that I haven’t made.

[Sparks Rover]

Just now, JBiz said:

You’re assumption that “are we screwing it up” is what I’m trying to explain that I haven’t made.

There's only one way this is going....how do you half the space and get all the 

6-16s playing

Girls teams

Youth

There has to be downgrade somewhere.....Cat 2 here we come.